Big 12 still doomed?

#27
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CornPoke said:
I'd personally like to see the Big 12 breakup. The MWC takes KU, K-State, and Iowa State. While the top Big 12 teams go to the PAC/SEC. Then also add Gonzanga for Basketball only and we aren't to shabby in BBall either.

I still think adding Houston could be a viable option. The Houston market is Huge. I see Baylor getting left out of any major conference if the Big12 breaks up. Conference USA would be a good fit for them.
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why would Gonzaga move to the Mountain West Conference?


People say on the issue 1) the commissioner has made it clear there are no current plans for the Big 12 to expand - he's guaranteed them (the schools) a certain income/revenue total by 2012 and adding any schools before that could cause them to fall short of that 2) for whatever reason, Houston isn't viewed as a reality of an option in these scenarios
 
#28
#28
orangeblooded2 said:
I think the general consensus on this board was 5 years or less. It seems less and less likely it will last past the end of the next season. I wonder if the debate rages in that conferences presidents and ad offices whether or not to fold now before the season starts. Would that even be possible?
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Their Commish guaranteed them all a certain total revenue by 2012 season (I dont know the number; I'm told it's high for each school though)


So the safe bet is the conference will last at the very least through 2012, the only reason it would fall before them being the addition of more teams causing a strain on split revenue
 
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TrueOrange said:
Their Commish guaranteed them all a certain total revenue by 2012 season (I dont know the number; I'm told it's high for each school though)


So the safe bet is the conference will last at the very least through 2012, the only reason it would fall before them being the addition of more teams causing a strain on split revenue
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I've seen anywhere from 20 to 25 mil for Tex, A&M and Oklahoma. The rest of the schools would get like 12 mil or so. My question is what network is going to dish out that kind of cash? Fox?
 
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utkell65 said:
I've seen anywhere from 20 to 25 mil for Tex, A&M and Oklahoma. The rest of the schools would get like 12 mil or so. My question is what network is going to dish out that kind of cash? Fox?
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that'd be my guess, though at this point we really have no way of knowing;


would figure though they're probably due to renegotiate their TV contract soon since pretty much they and the Pac-10 are the only conferences that haven't recently
 
#31
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TXVOL07 said:
to address a few things;

Tubbs is a great hire for Tech and brings a lot of class to a town that hasnt ever had any. He was a damn fine coach at AU, and he woulda been a helluva a lot better than what yall have in Knoxville right now.

The Big12-2 is not going to last long enough to add anyone, nor should they. The 10 left are all under the impression that the end is near. We dont need to add anyone. The markets that have supported this conference, are already tuned in. Losing Denver and Lincoln did very little.

When this thing does break, I hope like hell that Baylor goes to the WAC. They'll find success in football there.

Lastly, and we have gone over this a thousand times, and I'll say it once more;

Texas does not need aTm or Oklahoma. They do however, have to play em'.
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Why don't you gt a decent coach, and have your team actually win something before you chime in with you world shattering opinions. Thanks so much :eek:k:
 
#34
#34
3 coaches in 3 years. Good luck with that 17-20 WAC loser. You really should stay off the "Coaches" topic for the next 3 years.
 
#35
#35
So we should have fired the coach that went 85-41 from 99-08 because the program needed improvement to hire a coach that went 85-40 in the same period. Thats's breaking up with Raquel Welch because she was too old to date Megan Fox until she dumped us then to start dating Adrienne Barbeau.
 
#36
#36
I never said you should have hired Tubbs. My point was he's a proven Coach that did win in the SEC. His and Fulmers record played no factor. Some of you act as if what you have now is a gazillion times better than Tubbs. Its just ignorance.

When that crowd recognizes where Tennessee football has fallen to, it'll make more sense. For now, enjoy the coolaide.
 
#39
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GreveHaller said:
So we should have fired the coach that went 85-41 from 99-08 because the program needed improvement to hire a coach that went 85-40 in the same period. Thats's breaking up with Raquel Welch because she was too old to date Megan Fox until she dumped us then to start dating Adrienne Barbeau.
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I don't care what age Raquel Welch is, you never dump her to date someone else.....:yahoo:
 
#41
#41
Phil had to go because of the apathy surrounding the fanbase. The unknown surrounding Kiffin was part of the excitment. Hiring Tubbs would have been a safe and possibly good hire but not exciting enough. Fans wanted to take a chance on a coach who can make us great, not pretty good. Dooley has some of the same excitement in a much different style. He is way too unproven as a coach in general to make an accurate assumption.
 
#42
#42
I love when fans from other teams talk about where Tennesse has "fallen" to in regards to the national powers in college football.
I am a huge Mizzou fan as well as Vol fan and as a Mizzou fan I would love to be ranked where Tennessee has "fallen". That would be great!!:)
 
#43
#43
I didn’t mean to pee in your cool aide boys. Just keep toasting it up all the way till season starts. Then you'll be good and drunk when the bombardment of "It'll be ok, we just gotta give him time" and "At least we have class", and the obligatory "It could have been worse" type threads start getting dished out.

Then you might take notice, but then again maybe not. You sunshine pumpers are persistent if not anything else.

I'll admit, I wont enjoy watching the Vols get out coached on the weekend, but I will enjoy the excuse makers and sunshine pumpers try to convince themselves Dooley is the right guy on Monday morning.

Lastly, when you resort to trash talking aTm as a way of defending your side of the argument/discussion, it really doesn’t help. Its kinda like me saying that the entire craptastic state of Rhode Island is about the size of Harris County and it sucks too.


See? I didn’t help myself at all there.
 
#45
#45
GreveHaller said:
Tommy was at Auburn from 1999-2008. During that time his record was 85-40, won 1 SEC title, won 3 divisions and went to 1 BCS game.

During the same period (99-08) Phil's record was 85-41, 0 SEC titles, won 4 divisions, and went to 1 BCS game. Virtually the same as Tommy's.

When Phil was let go it was because of the teams performance therefore a coach that could do more. Hiring Tommy is giving you the exact same coach. A Phil II. That's not what the program needed nor wanted.

Tommy Tubberville was not the answer.
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GreveHaller said:
What's the point of comparing Tommy and Phil? Two coaches in two different divisions. They only played either other on a rotation or in a SECCG. The point is that when Tubb was in his heyday, Bama and LSU were just coming off some bad times. There was no one else in the west that competed so its almost by default Auburn won. Once the competetion got heated, Auburn fell to the middle of the pack. Phil on the other hand had to deal with Richt, Spurrier and then Myers every single year - coaches not having to rebuild programs. (ok UF going from Zook to CM was a bit of a rebuild but nothing like LSU or Bama had to do). Swapping Tubbs for Phil would do nothing for our program and we'd stayed in the middle of the pack.

So instead of looking only at the record of coach vs coach, I showed both coaches over the same period. Virtually identical. If he was the option, then why even get rid of Phil?
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Thats what I was thinking.

Why did you do it?:ermm:
 
#46
#46
TXVOL07 said:
I didn’t mean to pee in your cool aide boys. Just keep toasting it up all the way till season starts. Then you'll be good and drunk when the bombardment of "It'll be ok, we just gotta give him time" and "At least we have class", and the obligatory "It could have been worse" type threads start getting dished out. Then you might take notice, but then again maybe not. You sunshine pumpers are persistent if not anything else.
I'll admit, I wont enjoy watching the Vols get out coached on the weekend, but I will enjoy the excuse makers and sunshine pumpers try to convince themselves Dooley is the right guy on Monday morning.
Lastly, when you resort to trash talking aTm as a way of defending your side of the argument/discussion, it really doesn’t help. Its kinda like me saying that the entire craptastic state of Rhode Island is about the size of Harris County and it sucks too. See? I didn’t help myself at all there.
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Since when did thinking Mike Sherman is a joke make me into an orange kool-aid guy? I just thought it was funny that talking about your loser coach is off limits, but you can talk **** about our loser coach. If I saw a car overheating while I'm on the side of the road waiting for AAA, how is it my place at all to say anything? What's worse, how could I be so full of myself to not think I would get called out for being the ******* that I look like? I'm cool with Dooley being a pathetic hire. But I don't see why you shouldn't relate, instead of getting defensive. Not like you don't know from experience. I don't live in Rhode Island by choice, for what it's worth. But I'd rather be stuck with the beach than Mike Sherman.
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#47
#47
Mike Sherman is a huge joke. He was a horrible coach at green bay and sucks now. His offense is predictable, and his play calling sucks. He will get beat by tubs.
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#49
#49
GreveHaller said:
So we should have fired the coach that went 85-41 from 99-08 because the program needed improvement to hire a coach that went 85-40 in the same period. Thats's breaking up with Raquel Welch because she was too old to date Megan Fox until she dumped us then to start dating Adrienne Barbeau.
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....still comparing them. Just sayin'.
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#50
#50
pantone151 said:
....still comparing them. Just sayin'.
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True but the difference is in the orginal post. It was a comparison of the two against each other. This is a comparison of the two over the same time period of all games.
 
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