Bilas names McRae SEC CPOY

#26
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bleedingTNorange said:
I agree. However, if he averages 13 a game but shoots a good % because he's taking good shots and not a lot, he'd likely still get noticed. You look at the guys for UK, none of them average huge numbers, but it doesn't matter the potential is there.

I'll definitely understand if he goes, but imagining him with Hubbs keeps me up all night thinking about the possibilities.
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The guys at KY are freshman that get drafted on potential. Polythress is having an ok year, but he's projected top 10. Only at KY. Orton? Seriously. If McRae was wearing a blue uni this year, he'd be a top 10 pick. It seems like good players that come out their Senior year get penalized for some reason. It's like they are pegged to not be as good as their numbers because they stayed 4 years.

McRae is in the convo for SEC POY. With the crew coming in at KY and Maymon or Stokes potentially leading TN in points next year, McRae might not even be 1st team all SEC next year at the end of the year. I think his stock has a better chance to drop next year, than to improve.
Can he shoot for a better percentage next year and have lower points.....sure he can. But going from potential SEC POY and top 3 in SEC scoring to potentially 3rd on the team in scoring probably will not benefit his stock.
 
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
You think he should come back or enter the draft? All bias aside.

I feel like his ceiling is high. The improvements he made from last season to this season was remarkable. If he could continue on that he can be a potential lottery guy next season IMO. But how do you think his game would work with someone like Hubbs in the same lineup?
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If he feels like he's ready I have no problem with him going. He's worked hard to be in that position but I feel like if you aren't a late first round to early second round pick don't go. Just think if he improves everything next year. He's a top 15 pick. The draft next year isn't that deep either. They will make it work I'm sure. It will be less stress on Maymon and Stokes. We have a DEEP back court so it will work. He is excited about playing with Hubbs. I remember the day he committed he tweeted we got him or something to that effect.
 
#29
#29
The problem waiting for next year is next year's draft class is going to be much much better than this years. This years draft class is super weak and if that gets Jordy in the first round with a guaranteed contract, as much as I hope he stays, he should go.
 
#30
#30
SJAVol32 said:
If he feels like he's ready I have no problem with him going. He's worked hard to be in that position but I feel like if you aren't a late first round to early second round pick don't go. Just think if he improves everything next year. He's a top 15 pick. The draft next year isn't that deep either. They will make it work I'm sure. It will be less stress on Maymon and Stokes. We have a DEEP back court so it will work. He is excited about playing with Hubbs. I remember the day he committed he tweeted we got him or something to that effect.
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I'm with you on that. If he can make the same strides he did this season to next. Look out.
 
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
You think he is better than Hopson? Just curious..
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I think he is. I think Hopson had more God given ability. But I think Jordan has put it all together. He's twice a strong mentally as Hopson, he handles the ball better than Hopson, he's more clutch than Hopson...Jordan has embraced his role as the leader on this team.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a bigger Hopson fan than most, you'll not hear me ride him like some. He had the ability to be the best player in the nation...flat out unstoppable. But sometimes I didn't feel like he gave his best effort. Even if Jordan has an off game, I generally think he gives his best...JMO
 
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#32
#32
Not to make it a Hopson vs. Jordy debate because I loved watching Hopson play but I've seen Jordy do things and I literally was baffled by how he did it. I'm talking fully contested threes with someone in his face pull up and nothing but net. He drives to the lane more than Hopson. They are both very athletic. I would take Mcrae over Hopson at this point in their careers.
 
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SJAVol32 said:
Not to make it a Hopson vs. Jordy debate because I loved watching Hopson play but I've seen Jordy do thinks and I literally was baffled by how he did it. I'm talking fully contested threes with someone in his face pull up and nothing but net. He drives to the lane more than Hopson. They are both very athletic. I would take Mcrae over Hopson at this point in their careers.
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I'm with you. Can you imagine Hopson with Jordan's killer instinct? My goodness!
 
#34
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SJAVol32 said:
If he feels like he's ready I have no problem with him going. He's worked hard to be in that position but I feel like if you aren't a late first round to early second round pick don't go. Just think if he improves everything next year. He's a top 15 pick. The draft next year isn't that deep either. They will make it work I'm sure. It will be less stress on Maymon and Stokes. We have a DEEP back court so it will work. He is excited about playing with Hubbs. I remember the day he committed he tweeted we got him or something to that effect.
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McRae wasn't even in the starting rotation when Hubbs committed. I'm sure there are a lot of NBA players tat he would be excited about playing with also. McRae will always be a VFL, but his dream is playing at the next level as is most players. If his dream potentially can come true, then he needs to go for it.

Realistcally, what would need to happen for McRae to get into 1st round in 2013 class....TN make a deep run in the SEC tourney and at least sweet 16 in the NCAA to get the National recognition. He would have to average probably 25 ppg in that stretch to move to the money round. Not likely. Would be a hell of a ride though.
 
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johnnybravo said:
McRae wasn't even in the starting rotation when Hubbs committed. I'm sure there are a lot of NBA players tat he would be excited about playing with also. McRae will always be a VFL, but his dream is playing at the next level as is most players. If his dream potentially can come true, then he needs to go for it.

Realistcally, what would need to happen for McRae to get into 1st round in 2013 class....TN make a deep run in the SEC tourney and at least sweet 16 in the NCAA to get the National recognition. He would have to average probably 25 ppg in that stretch to move to the money round. Not likely. Would be a hell of a ride though.
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Oh yeah I'm with you. I don't see him going. I think he has to have another consistent year to prove he is NBA ready. He will get looks now but his best bet is to come back next year and have breakout games while averaging 14 points and do everything defensively and offensively. His ceiling is high as long as he works for it and doesn't settle for just one level of play. I think he can teach Hubbs a lot next year about just handling college and adversity that will come. We all thought Mcrae was a for sure lost cause.
 
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I could have easily misunderstood dude today on the radio. But I could have sworn he said Jordan had a 7'1" wingspan. Is that true? Anyone know? I know he's long as all get out (no homo).

As someone stated earlier...if he played for Kensucky or UNC he would be the first damn pick in the whole draft.
 
#38
#38
It is hard to make or even crack it in the league. I mean look at Tyler Smith. I have him ahead of McRae. Tough decision he has to make, I stink he should stick it out another year if he wants to build a career in the NBA. Either way, I'll be rooting for him.
 
#39
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
He would be in the league. I am a huge Hopson fan but that killer instinct is exactly what was/is holding him back. McRae is much more competitive.
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I loved me some Hopson. He ticked me off by not going to the hoop more. But Bruce ticked me off by not setting more screens for him away from the ball. I felt like they expected him to create off his own dribble too much, which wasn't his strongest thing.
 
#40
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RichRollin said:
I could have easily misunderstood dude today on the radio. But I could have sworn he said Jordan had a 7'1" wingspan. Is that true? Anyone know? I know he's long as all get out (no homo).

As someone stated earlier...if he played for Kensucky or UNC he would be the first damn pick in the whole draft.
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I wouldn't doubt that long of a wingspan. Watch him on the court when he's just standing there. He could scratch his ankles standing straight up. He has the makings of a NBA body minus the weight.
 
#41
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Markel Brown is a Jr. from Oklahoma St. Very similar size and year as McRae. He's expected to go 19th in the 1st round. His stats are:

15.7 ppg
4.6 rpg
.446 fg%
.75% ft%
.39% 3p%

McRae stats:

16.0 ppg
4.0 rpg
.445% fg%
.787% ft%
.375% 3p%

McRae may play his way into late first round. Seems like he's already got the numbers.
 
#42
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johnnybravo said:
Markel Brown is a Jr. from Oklahoma St. Very similar size and year as McRae. He's expected to go 19th in the 1st round. His stats are:

15.7 ppg
4.6 rpg
.446 fg%
.75% ft%
.39% 3p%

McRae stats:

16.0 ppg
4.0 rpg
.445% fg%
.787% ft%
.375% 3p%

McRae may play his way into late first round. Seems like he's already got the numbers.
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And Brown is playing with more of a complete PG. I think Jordy is showing scouts he can score more on his own or off screens
 
#43
#43
I remember pearl talking about McRae and saying the kid has a chance to be whatever he watts to be.bif he stays next year will be truly incredible
 
#44
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johnnybravo said:
The guys at KY are freshman that get drafted on potential. Polythress is having an ok year, but he's projected top 10. Only at KY. Orton? Seriously. If McRae was wearing a blue uni this year, he'd be a top 10 pick. It seems like good players that come out their Senior year get penalized for some reason. It's like they are pegged to not be as good as their numbers because they stayed 4 years.

McRae is in the convo for SEC POY. With the crew coming in at KY and Maymon or Stokes potentially leading TN in points next year, McRae might not even be 1st team all SEC next year at the end of the year. I think his stock has a better chance to drop next year, than to improve.
Can he shoot for a better percentage next year and have lower points.....sure he can. But going from potential SEC POY and top 3 in SEC scoring to potentially 3rd on the team in scoring probably will not benefit his stock.
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I don't completely agree or disagree. It seems a lot of it is preseason or offseason hype and build up. If you look at McRae's numbers you'd think he'd be all over draft boards, but he's nowhere to be found on most reputable draft boards. If he gets SEC POY, the hype will be off the charts and he'll have to be one of the best returning players in the country. He'll be all over draft boards and probably in the first round according to most of the boards.

If the scouts tell him work on your ball handling and improve consistency and you're a first rounder, I can easily see him returning if he get a second round grade this year. Like I've said though, if he gets a 1st round grade I would think he'd leave. Kind of what hurt us with Tobias and Scotty could get us again, this is a pretty weak draft and next years is expected to be loaded.
 
#45
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johnnybravo said:
McRae wasn't even in the starting rotation when Hubbs committed. I'm sure there are a lot of NBA players tat he would be excited about playing with also. McRae will always be a VFL, but his dream is playing at the next level as is most players. If his dream potentially can come true, then he needs to go for it.

Realistcally, what would need to happen for McRae to get into 1st round in 2013 class....TN make a deep run in the SEC tourney and at least sweet 16 in the NCAA to get the National recognition. He would have to average probably 25 ppg in that stretch to move to the money round. Not likely. Would be a hell of a ride though.
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I don't agree at all. He gets SEC POY this year and he'll be all over first round going into nex year. As long as he averages 13+ with a good fg% and he has some blow up games he'd keep that grade. His ceiling IMO is late first round, whether that's this year or next.
 
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RichRollin said:
I could have easily misunderstood dude today on the radio. But I could have sworn he said Jordan had a 7'1" wingspan. Is that true? Anyone know? I know he's long as all get out (no homo).

As someone stated earlier...if he played for Kensucky or UNC he would be the first damn pick in the whole draft.
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Ive heard 7' wing span, but that's splitting hairs lol.
 
#47
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johnnybravo said:
Markel Brown is a Jr. from Oklahoma St. Very similar size and year as McRae. He's expected to go 19th in the 1st round. His stats are:

15.7 ppg
4.6 rpg
.446 fg%
.75% ft%
.39% 3p%

McRae stats:

16.0 ppg
4.0 rpg
.445% fg%
.787% ft%
.375% 3p%

McRae may play his way into late first round. Seems like he's already got the numbers.
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Figure that one out...I'm curious where brown was pre season. I will add brown had a better sophomore year than Jordan.
 
#48
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SJAVol32 said:
Not to make it a Hopson vs. Jordy debate because I loved watching Hopson play but I've seen Jordy do things and I literally was baffled by how he did it. I'm talking fully contested threes with someone in his face pull up and nothing but net. He drives to the lane more than Hopson. They are both very athletic. I would take Mcrae over Hopson at this point in their careers.
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I'll add that Jordan has a MUCH quicker release than Scotty. His shot is much more fluid, whereas Scotty had a bit of a wind-up motion.

Hopson had the quicker first step, but was reluctant to use it enough.
 
#49
#49
I'm literally jizzing my pants thinking of the line-up next year if no one leaves. Richardson/Hubbs and Moore off the bench? Are you kidding me? Damn. That team has the potential to be one of the best in the country.
 
#50
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Scotty was just beginning to play to his potential when he left. He very easily could've been a 20+ ppg scorer if he'd returned. As a lot of people have said, though, he just didn't have a grasp on the mental aspects of the game.

I've had a tremendous amount of respect for Scottie Wilbekin because of the lock-down D he played on Hopson in one of our three losses to Florida in Hopson's final season. Hopson was lighting up Florida until Donovan subbed in Wilbekin in the middle of the second half to guard Hopson. Shut him down and we ended up losing because they took away our #1 scoring option. And I know it's silly to make one to one situational comparisons like this, but McRae scored at will on Wilbekin last week (while giving up two inches to Hopson). McRae understands the mental aspects of the game, and Scotty didn't. Still say that Scotty was one of the most prolific players we've had at UT, he just didn't have it upstairs.
 
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