Bill to drug test for Tenn. welfare advances

#26
#26
can't see how that's really possible if executed correctly. A pee test is pretty cheap



because that would make too much sense. Most state employees don't view their check as coming from tax payers

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/us/no-savings-found-in-florida-welfare-drug-tests.html?_r=2&hp

From July through October in Florida — the four months when testing took place before Judge Scriven’s order — 2.6 percent of the state’s cash assistance applicants failed the drug test, or 108 of 4,086, according to the figures from the state obtained by the group. The most common reason was marijuana use. An additional 40 people canceled the tests without taking them.

Because the Florida law requires that applicants who pass the test be reimbursed for the cost, an average of $30, the cost to the state was $118,140. This is more than would have been paid out in benefits to the people who failed the test, Mr. Newton said.

As a result, the testing cost the government an extra $45,780, he said.

And the testing did not have the effect some predicted. An internal document about Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, or TANF, caseloads stated that the drug testing policy, at least from July through September, did not lead to fewer cases.

“We saw no dampening effect on the caseload,” the document said.

I am torn over this. I do not like the idea of paying someone to be on drugs on principle. However, I hate the idea of paying more to stop it. The idea of cutting off my nose to spite my face comes to mind.
 
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I am torn over this. I do not like the idea of paying someone to be on drugs on principle. However, I hate the idea of paying more to stop it. The idea of cutting off my nose to spite my face comes to mind.

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It makes me wonder what their process is. It doesn't even bug me, and I have no dog in this fight...but I have a hard time believing only 2.6% of welfare recipients smoke marijuana.
 
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It makes me wonder what their process is. It doesn't even bug me, and I have no dog in this fight...but I have a hard time believing only 2.6% of welfare recipients smoke marijuana.

It is common knowledge if one has an advanced notice of when a drug test will be administered there are ways to pass it.
 
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It makes me wonder what their process is. It doesn't even bug me, and I have no dog in this fight...but I have a hard time believing only 2.6% of welfare recipients smoke marijuana.

I would bet my left nut that the actual figure exceeds 26%...tenfold
 
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It is common knowledge if one has an advanced notice of when a drug test will be administered there are ways to pass it.

Hmmm...other than substituting someone else's pee for your own, how do you do that? We were always told by the service that performed drug testing for our potential employees that, in particular, weed stays in your system for about 30 days.
 
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Hmmm...other than substituting someone else's pee for your own, how do you do that? We were always told by the service that performed drug testing for our potential employees that, in particular, weed stays in your system for about 30 days.

It can be detected up to two months depending on the usage. Light usage is about 2 weeks.
 
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There are several cleansing products that are marketed. to help someone pass a drug test in a few hours. I do not know if they work as advertised. I have been told that some do.
 
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My problem is, if you're doin drugs you aren't even trying to get a job. Everybody knows most jobs require a drug test. If they don't care enough to try, why should working folks tax dollars be given to them.
 
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There are several cleansing products that are marketed. to help someone pass a drug test in a few hours. I do not know if they work as advertised. I have been told that some do.

No they don't.
 
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#37
Why not test everybody? High school students should have to pay for their own schooling if they are found to use. No free education for you druggies out there. College students should be tested regularly also. Fail a test, your suspended for a semester. Fail two tests, miss two semesters. Hell, test everybody who recieves anything from the government. Not just the poor and down-trodden (who dont have much to spend on drugs anyway).
 
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Why not test everybody? High school students should have to pay for their own schooling if they are found to use. No free education for you druggies out there. College students should be tested regularly also. Fail a test, your suspended for a semester. Fail two tests, miss two semesters. Hell, test everybody who recieves anything from the government. Not just the poor and down-trodden (who dont have much to spend on drugs anyway).

Or we could just end welfare and make drugs legal. That'd really save some money.
 
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Why not test everybody? High school students should have to pay for their own schooling if they are found to use. No free education for you druggies out there. College students should be tested regularly also. Fail a test, your suspended for a semester. Fail two tests, miss two semesters. Hell, test everybody who recieves anything from the government. Not just the poor and down-trodden (who dont have much to spend on drugs anyway).

The Governor of Florida was wanting to include state employees in their drug testing law and a Federal Court ruled it unconstitutional .
 
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There are several cleansing products that are marketed. to help someone pass a drug test in a few hours. I do not know if they work as advertised. I have been told that some do.
They don't. If somebody is a fairly heavy pot smoker, they can completely detox in a couple days time, but it is an intense process.

My problem is, if you're doin drugs you aren't even trying to get a job. Everybody knows most jobs require a drug test. If they don't care enough to try, why should working folks tax dollars be given to them.
I didn't have to take a drug test for half the jobs I've had.

Why not test everybody? High school students should have to pay for their own schooling if they are found to use. No free education for you druggies out there. College students should be tested regularly also. Fail a test, your suspended for a semester. Fail two tests, miss two semesters. Hell, test everybody who recieves anything from the government. Not just the poor and down-trodden (who dont have much to spend on drugs anyway).
Oh, fantastic idea. We're already well on our way to becoming the dumbest civilized country on the planet, let's take a quarter of our kids out of high school and university for a half year.
 
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In my profession, there is no room for someone to be on drugs. Alcohol is processed out of the body very quickly. Illicit drugs are not.

I see issues, but they could be worked out.

If you are my chauffeur and I have a choice between you having smoked a joint an hour ago, and having taken 3 shots an hour ago, I'll take the pothead version, every time....no question.

The federal government's Department of Transportation conducted research with a fully interactive simulator on the effects of alcohol and marijuana, alone and in combination, on driver-controlled behavior and performance. "The Effects of Alcohol on Driver-Controlled Behavior in a Driving Simulator, Phase I", DOT-HS-806-414. The study found that alcohol consistently and significantly caused impairment -- but that marijuana had only an occasional effect. Further, there was little evidence of interaction between alcohol and marijuana. Finally, speeding tickets and accidents went up with the use of alcohol, but no marijuana or combined alcohol-marijuana influence was noted.

Does Marijuana Impair Driving Ability?
 
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If you are my chauffeur and I have a choice between you having smoked a joint an hour ago, and having taken 3 shots an hour ago, I'll take the pothead version, every time....no question.



Does Marijuana Impair Driving Ability?


Back in the day ole Gramps smoked a little. pot and yes it does impair driving ability. IIRC, I would be driving 20-30 mph and it seemed like I was running 60-70 mph.
it also causes one to feel paranoid, which is not good when driving.
 
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Or we could just end welfare and make drugs legal. That'd really save some money.
Hell Yeah!!!!!!!!
The Governor of Florida was wanting to include state employees in their drug testing law and a Federal Court ruled it unconstitutional .
I think it is un-con to arbitrarily test me for anything. Total invasion of my privacy. I also don't think you can tell me which plant to smoke. How is one plant legal when another is not? Who is qualified to decide this for me? A career politician? Hardly.
Oh, fantastic idea. We're already well on our way to becoming the dumbest civilized country on the planet, let's take a quarter of our kids out of high school and university for a half year.

Why are we on our way to becoming the dumbest civilized nation on the planet? Because of weed? Really? A quarter of students use? Wow. I was not aware of that fact -- Anyone receiving benefits from the government should be tested, right? So another controlled group should be the drug testing of Tennessee adults statewide. If you fail, you can receive no police or fire-fighting services for one year for after the first failed test. The first time someone's house burns down because they smoked chronic and thus were denied fire services will be epic. How far are you willing to go? Or do you just stop with poor folks who receive gov't assistance? Huh?
 
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Back in the day ole Gramps smoked a little. pot and yes it does impair driving ability. IIRC, I would be driving 20-30 mph and it seemed like I was running 60-70 mph.
it also causes one to feel paranoid, which is not good when driving.

So what was the top speed of the Model T anyway?
 
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I didn't have to take a drug test for half the jobs I've had.

Oh, fantastic idea. We're already well on our way to becoming the dumbest civilized country on the planet, let's take a quarter of our kids out of high school and university for a half year.

Unless the owner knew me I had to for several jobs. Even a seasonal job at k-mart between football and baseball. If I were job huntin, I'd want to give myself as many options as possible.

Dead right on the last point. People think Idiocracy is a funny movie. Its already here, I'm just waiting for the EPA to mandate watering plants with gatorade.
 
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Just got the vehicle registration letter in the mail for next month. 79 bucks for a sticker is BS. Next year it should advise me that TN residents will be required to come in and take a drug test. If I fail then my car can't be registered for a year. That will surely get everybody off of drugs.
 

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