Bill to drug test for Tenn. welfare advances

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PimpVol said:
Hell Yeah!!!!!!!!

I think it is un-con to arbitrarily test me for anything. Total invasion of my privacy. I also don't think you can tell me which plant to smoke. How is one plant legal when another is not? Who is qualified to decide this for me? A career politician? Hardly.


Why are we on our way to becoming the dumbest civilized nation on the planet? Because of weed? Really? A quarter of students use? Wow. I was not aware of that fact -- Anyone receiving benefits from the government should be tested, right? So another controlled group should be the drug testing of Tennessee adults statewide. If you fail, you can receive no police or fire-fighting services for one year for after the first failed test. The first time someone's house burns down because they smoked chronic and thus were denied fire services will be epic. How far are you willing to go? Or do you just stop with poor folks who receive gov't assistance? Huh?
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A friend of mine recently told me that over the last couple of years 3 of the best workers he had got fired for failing drug tests. It was frustrating to him that some lazy idiots that managed to show up to work on time and avoid doing anything dumb enough to get fired can stay employed when some of the best people he had got busted for doing something he couldn't care less about them doing on their own time.

OTOH I do understand that if you're getting tax dollars (other people's money) it's not altogether unfair to have certain expectations be met. From people I've talked to that actually seems to be the biggest complaint in this context; what you do with your own money on your own time is your business but if it's MY money then yeah, buying drugs isn't what it's for. (anyway that's the most common complaint I've heard)
 
#52
#52
I've always thought drugs should be legal and sold in stores just like liqour, increase the tax base baby.

But if legalized employers should still be given the option of having a drug free work place without the fear of being sued. I think the same people doing drugs now would be toking away as always and those that do not still wouldn't for fear of losing their job.
 
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While they're at the "conservative" politicians should test and investigate the consuption of everything deemed bad, in any way, by anyone. Cola, sweets, porn, microwaves, etc.

BIG GOVERNMENT!
 
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I don't view this as conservatives wanting to say who can and cant smoke weed. If anything, it is the democrats anymore who want to limit freedom.


I view this more as not wanting tax dollars to go to people on welfare who use the money to get high.

I personally have no issues if you want to smoke dope on your own time as long as I'm not paying for it and it's not harming others...ie driving while high.
 
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#56
Anyone who has a problem with drug testing someone on welfare has an agenda.
 
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#57
We would save a fortune if we just made drugs legal. Hell I'd plunk down TWICE what it cost for welfare recipients if we did that as the savings would be monumental. The "war on drugs" employs a whole lot of people whose jobs solely depend on the illegality of drugs: Drug Task Forces, DA's, Investigators, "Rehabs," and Labs. It's ridiculous how much money we spend to incarcerate someone over a ten dollar dime bag.
 
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Slydell said:
I would bet Marcus' right nut that far more people are employed who use illegal drugs.
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My best friend from high school is into distribution of things. I know of banking execs, school principals, lawyers, stock brokers etc. Who come to see him weekly to support their daily habit...at the same time, there's a reason why every gas station on the rough side of town has about 400 flavors of blunt wraps. The devil doesn't discriminate. I'm betting between 10 and 20% of the population smokes weed. I smoked my fair share as a teen.
 
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For the record, I support this law. Think of how much money "the munchies" is costing taxpayers. Or how many people are trading. 20 bucks worth of taxpayer purchased steaks etc. For a dime bag...need to make it cost effective though. Private companies competing for drug test contracts and no taxpayer funding for rehab IMO. Rehab is expensive. People wanting to get clean might intentionally get a handout and fail so they could get free rehab to boot. For every honest hardworking man out there it seems there's another trying to bleed uncle sam for as much as possible.
 
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milohimself said:
They don't.
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As someone who had to take government issued drug tests once a month for a year earlier in my life, I assure you that they do.

This whole idea is ridiculous. It will cost the government a ton of money to issue tests, when the hardest drugs are out of your system in a matter of days.
 
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Funny thing about laws like these to me is that weed stays detectable for a long time. Many of the harder drugs clear out of your system much faster. The end result of most drug testing is to encourage people to use harder stuff to avoid failing. Its paradoxical.
 
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RespectTradition said:
Funny thing about laws like these to me is that weed stays detectable for a long time. Many of the harder drugs clear out of your system much faster. The end result of most drug testing is to encourage people to use harder stuff to avoid failing. Its paradoxical.
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You know the hard stuff is more addictive right? People begin using it recreationally and then must have it, which kinda means it will be in their system.
 
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tim said:
You know the hard stuff is more addictive right? People begin using it recreationally and then must have it, which kinda means it will be in their system.
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One of my best friends does coke once or twice a month.

The addiction thing is way overrated and it greatly depends on the person.
 
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If you want to quantify it, cocaine's addictiveness (assuming you get stuff that isn't cut with anything else) isn't anywhere near the ballpark of heroin, for instance, or even as bad as cigarettes.
 
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Gramps said:
How is the addiction thing overated ?
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For many, many people, using drugs does not automatically make you an addict like some will preach at us. Also, breaking addiction can be fairly easy for a lot of people, just not everyone. Sure, maybe it is harder for a majority, but so often our 'authority' figures want to act as if everyone who uses gets hooked and everyone who is hooked is caught in a vicious web that is almost impossible to break free of. Phooey!

Addiction is an excuse for some people and a propaganda tool for others.
 
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RespectTradition said:
For many, many people, using drugs does not automatically make you an addict like some will preach at us. Also, breaking addiction can be fairly easy for a lot of people, just not everyone. Sure, maybe it is harder for a majority, but so often our 'authority' figures want to act as if everyone who uses gets hooked and everyone who is hooked is caught in a vicious web that is almost impossible to break free of. Phooey!

Addiction is an excuse for some people and a propaganda tool for others.
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You guys argue with agendas. You argue our prisons are full of users/addicts then argue addiction is overrated.
 
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tim said:
You guys argue with agendas. You argue our prisons are full of users/addicts then argue addiction is overrated.
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I argue that our prisons are full of people who used or sold drugs. I don't call them addicts.

Many of the people in prison are there because they did despicable things. I would argue that without prohibitions, many, if not most, of those despicable things would not have been done. It does not forgive or excuse what they did, however. It does show how prohibitions has many unintended side-effects and that it is very possible that the 'cure' is worse than the 'disease'.
 
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RespectTradition said:
For many, many people, using drugs does not automatically make you an addict like some will preach at us. Also, breaking addiction can be fairly easy for a lot of people, just not everyone. Sure, maybe it is harder for a majority, but so often our 'authority' figures want to act as if everyone who uses gets hooked and everyone who is hooked is caught in a vicious web that is almost impossible to break free of. Phooey!

Addiction is an excuse for some people and a propaganda tool for others.
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I agree there are many people that have used drugs and drink that are not addicted.

I disagree. that breaking addiction can be fairly easy. A drug addict or alcoholic never breaks their addiction. They do the things that are necessary to keep it under control.
They may not be using or drinking. but the addiction is still there. It's a lifelong battle to remain sober.
 
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