Black jerseys to be auctioned (merged)

[McDad]

I'll say this and quit. It's getting too chippy in here.

This will create a divide in the locker room. Witness Mizzou in 2015, when they went from 11-3 in '14 to 5-7 in '15. Ferguson was the catalyst, and there were credible reports of a division in the locker room. Up to that point, Mizzou had been a rising power in the SEC East. Now, no more. Yes, the HC change may have had an effect, but they had the same HC in 2015 that they had in 2014. What happened?

Now, look at Texas, Iowa...and potentially UT. Maybe more before the season starts, or is over.

Whether this ends up being a crack in the driveway, or a serious fault in the foundation remains to be seen, but as we all know, a house divided against itself cannot stand, and this will divide the House of UT...including the football team. Heck, just look here. We came in here united as UT fans, and now it's the Hatfields and McCoys, SEC-style.

I hope I'm wrong. I fear I'm not. I think UT Football was on the brink of doing great things again.

I look forward to saying "Go Vols" again. But for now, I'm waiting to see what the Vols stand for.

The Black Lives Matter Foundation, a charitable organization based in Santa Clarita, California, is not affiliated with the Black Lives Matter Global Network, the racial justice movement seeking to end police brutality. Their goals are actually quite different — the Black Lives Matter Foundation seeks to "bring the police and the community closer together," while the larger, more well-known movement has called for defunding police departments across the United States. But for donors and online giving platforms, including GoFundMe, who don't do their research, it can be tough to spot the differences.

That's seemingly how the foundation — which has one paid employee and lists a UPS store as its address — raised at least $4.35 million likely meant for the global network in a matter of weeks in June. The bulk of that money came from an online giving platform called Benevity that allows employers at places like Microsoft and Apple to match employee donations, but was frozen before it was disbursed after the distinction came to light.

There's nothing particularly scandalous about the 5-year-old Santa Clarita charity, which is in good standing with the Internal Revenue Service. Its founder, Ray Barnes, a 67-year-old music producer, says he has nothing to hide and is open about the different goals, although he hasn't done much in terms of achieving his goal (the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department said it hasn't heard of Barnes or the organization) because he said he's still outlining a real action plan. Still, a Black Lives Matter spokesperson said the movement intended to contact Barnes, who is black, about "improperly using" the name, which isn't trademarked.

Many Black Lives Matter donations have reportedly gone to a similarly-named charity with a very different goal

If you read that, GreyWolf, I think you will feel better.

 

[allvol123]

I agree. But can we at least agree regardless of the similarity in names, a charity which actually does good work should be supported by the players, university, and fans?

Hell yea, I think everyone would be on board with that.

Boys and Girls Club, Second Harvest, scholarships, etc.

 

[McDad]

Hell yea, I think everyone would be on board with that.

Boys and Girls Club, Second Harvest, scholarships, etc.

Seems to me, we (collectively) got our panties in a twist by the name. Even after discovering the groups arent the same, we're still holding onto the initial knee jerk emotion.

 

[volfanjustin]

I never would have guessed something would make me not want to follow my Vols. Extremely disappointing.

Sadly it’s what all levels of sports are coming to. 1 incident of a rogue cop killing a bad dude has all white coaches/athletes/sports anchors feeling like they have to be all pro radical BLM and anti white cop

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Black Lives Matter has nothing to do with black lives. It is a LGBTQ/DNC/Soros funded organization.

 

[allvol123]

Seems to me, we (collectively) got our panties in a twist by the name. Even after discovering the groups arent the same, we're still holding onto the initial knee jerk emotion.

I dont see your point. I've not yet seen what is exactly intended here.

 

[TN-POSSUM]

Who cares. They should shut up.

Fulmer has been a great AD up until now and I think he'll do what's best for the university. Pruitt has proven to me that he is trying to recruit quality, team minded, leaders to get us back to a championship level team we can all be proud of. I'm ok with money being raised as long as it is NOT going to the DNC and the money raised stays in Tennessee. If this fund raiser will trully help black people, then GOD bless them.

*The democrats have lost their minds and would rather destroy this country than see Donald Trump get 4 more years. It's sickening all the crap that has been manufactured by the dems and the MSM the last 3 years.

Either way, I'm ready for some TENNESSEE football.

GBO

TRUMP 2020

 

[zeppelin128]

Maybe, I don't know, waiting for further clarification is warranted before throwing your university under the bus? Just a thought.

 

[Jravol78]

You all can disagree with the Black Jersey supporting Black Lives Matter but it is still going to happen. Kick, scream belly ache all you want to, it won’t change the fact that this team has found it’s voice and Coach Pruitt is allowing them to express it, freely and openly. I absolutely love it! So get on board or go kick rocks!

For the record I am not totally opposed to the black jerseys. I was there in ‘09 against the cocks and it was a great memory . Everything from the reaction of the players and fans as the Vols ran out of the T until the final whistle @ the end of a complete dismantling of the cocks and their coach.... the ol’ball sack was perfect . The fact that Black was an actual jersey color back in the day made it even better . If the Vols come out in Black this year and the voluntarily donated proceeds are allocated to a cause benefitting a legitimate cause specific to the AA race or even the betterment of racial relations is fine with me.

I do believe I read that the initial announcement said that it was PLANNED. It was not an official / set in stone announcement. There is a lot of time between now and November . Hell, if we even get to have a season is still yet to be determined. Maybe I missed the official email from ADPF to my allvol account??

Forgive me for not knowing the specific knowledge that you bring to the table involving the team or the UTAD. I do not recall seeing any posts from you prior to today . It appears to me that there are a lot of “IF’s” to be ironed out before this actually comes to fruition . For you to claim that this happening it is an inherent and undisputed fact is conjecture.

 

[allvol123]

My opinion is Pruitt and Fulmer have shtt the bed here.

There is a kid in my hood that had a parent commit suicide. Talk about pain, ugh. The remaining parent has confused coddling and spoiling the kid as loving the kid. It is an understandable mistake, but s mistake nonetheless. So now the kid has gotten 2 strikes in life.

 

[zeppelin128]

Black Lives Matter has nothing to do with black lives. It is a LGBTQ/DNC/Soros funded organization.

 

[McDad]

I dont see your point. I've not yet seen what is exactly intended here.

Where did I lose you? I'll try again.

 

[allvol123]

@Rasputin_Vol is correct.

 

[UTvols#1]

Change is here, like it or not. Some of y'all are the minority now, like it or not.

Funny this was #666 in the thread ..I think we are what's called the silent majority and we are of all colors ..

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Go to the website. It spells it all out. Sorry...

 

[allvol123]

Go to the website. It spells it all out. Sorry...

He'd rather post gifs.

 

[GAVol]

“Black Lives Matter” has become a colloquialism for “anything that will help the black community”. What’s the big deal if they find an appropriate cause, wear a special jersey and auction them off to willing buyers who know exactly what they are donating to? People act as if somebody has a gun to their head telling them to give $100 to Louis Farrakhan if they ever want to see football again.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Change is here, like it or not. Some of y'all are the minority now, like it or not.

Lmao

 

[McDad]

Go to the website. It spells it all out. Sorry...

Be mindful, I did learn this in the process of documenting. There is a difference in "Black Lives Matter Charities, and BLM" You'll need to get clarification which they are doing. The Black lives Matter Charities have nothing to do with the "BLM" group.

 

[McDad]

“Black Lives Matter” has become a colloquialism for “anything that will help the black community”. What’s the big deal if they find an appropriate cause, wear a special jersey and auction them off to willing buyers who know exactly what they are donating to? People act as if somebody has a gun to their head telling them to give $100 to Louis Farrakhan if they ever want to see football again.

Agreed. I'm at a loss now that the "similar names but different purpose" cat is out of the bag. We need to keep our wits.

 

[volfanjustin]

Hell yea, I think everyone would be on board with that.

Boys and Girls Club, Second Harvest, scholarships, etc.

If these white guilt coaches and brain washed athletes wanted to make a change in the black community they could start by lobbying democrat politicians to allow black children to get out of failing schools. They could also go promote dad and mom getting marriage

 

[sjt18]

Like I said its not surprising that guys that are this ignorant always hate the non white QBs. I don't think it's a coincidence.

You have truly hit peak sjt. Bravo sir

And you are still a fundamentally dishonest person. Don't hate Dobbs.... not even close. You have consistently LIED about that after being repeatedly corrected. I don't hate JG. He's just not an effective QB. I've actually stated multiple times here that I'm more excited about Salter than I am HB.

I'm not a fan of the NFL for a lot of reasons. I have always liked the college game better. But my favorite current QB and probably my favorite player is Deshaun Watson.

Unlike you... I really don't care about the color of a person's skin. I care about their character, behavior, beliefs, and heart. There is only one race. The skin color divisions are artificial... that keep us divided because of people like you.

 

[zeppelin128]

@Rasputin_Vol is correct.

I know the hate on here for LGBTQ folks, but this is completely absurd. I get the hate exists, but good grief.

 

[tnvols72]

Enjoy learning something:

"APD SHOOTING EXPLAINED
Before reading below, remember that officers are afforded the same constitutional rights as citizens, so whether they’re charged for political reasons or not, the facts of the case remain the same until their day in court:

In order to understand this situation, you’ve got to set feelings and emotions aside to understand objective reasonableness.

So looking at this case, what do we know?

A DUI investigation determined that he was too intoxicated to drive. The bodycam showed the officers being overly nice and polite to him the entire time all the way up until the handcuffs were about to go on, as they should’ve been.

As soon as they tried to cuff him, an all out brawl took place. Not just resisting, but punching them in the face and throwing them around.

He took one officer’s taser, threw him face first into the asphalt, stood up, and took off.
_____________
So let’s pause there and see where we’re at legally.

Charges:
DUI
Obstruction X2 - Felony
Battery on an officer X2
Aggravated assault X2 - Felony
Strong Armed Robbery - Felony
And believe it or not....
Possession of a firearm during the commission of a crime - Felony

Per Georgia Law, a taser is classified as a “less-lethal” FIREARM as they do occasionally cause death.
(OCGA 16-11-106)
________________
These offenses are important because there is a case law called Tennessee v Garner

What Tennessee v Garner states is:
“When a non-violent felon is ordered to stop and submit to police, ignoring that order does not give rise to a reasonable good-faith belief that the use of deadly force is necessary, UNLESS it has been threatened.”

So this goes back to the taser being classified as a firearm that can cause death or great bodily harm.
___________
So,
They fought
He stole the taser
He got up and ran

The 2nd officer chased after him and tried to use his own taser against him, but he didn’t get a good connection.

Brooks then turns, aims the taser at the officer, and fires. Statutorily, this is no different than firing a gun.

(The taser that APD carries has 2 cartridges, so Brooks could have potentially shot the officer twice.)

The officer dropped his taser from his left hand after it appears he was hit by a barb on the video, draws his sidearm, fires 3 shots, falls against a car in the parking lot and Brooks goes down.

Brooks was not only a continuing threat to the officer since he could still fire the taser again, but he also showed and EXTREME desire to get away, with a weapon. So it is not unreasonable to have the fear that he would use that weapon to carjack a motorist sitting in the drive-thru line, take a hostage, or otherwise hurt another innocent party.

What does Georgia Law say about deadly force?
OCGA 17-4-20 (b):
Sheriffs and peace officers may use deadly force:
1.) to apprehend a suspected felon only when the officer reasonably believes that the suspect possesses a deadly weapon. (He did)
2.) to apprehend a suspected felon who possesses any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury. (He did)
3.) to apprehend a suspected felon when the officer reasonably believes that the suspect poses an immediate threat of physical violence to the officer or others (He did)
4.) to apprehend a suspected felon when there is probable cause to believe that the suspect has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm (He did)

The officer only needed one of those requirements, but he had all 4........

Now the reason taser’s are considered “less-lethal” is because when used appropriately, you are “less likely” to kill someone vs using a gun. But Brooks hasn’t been through the training to know how to avoid certain vulnerable parts of the body, and he doesn’t understand how neuromuscular incapacitation (NMI) works, which makes it MORE likely for him to cause great bodily injury or death than if an officer used it.

And just to support the fact that tasers can and do kill, there is an East Point Officer currently sitting in prison for improperly using a taser and killing a man a few years ago.
(Eberhart v Georgia)

“He could’ve shot him in the leg!”

Right off the top, it is unconstitutional to do so. It is considered cruel and unusual punishment to employ a gun in that manner. Either an officer felt deadly force was necessary, or he should use a lesser response.

We could just leave it at that, but that's too much of a cop out, so let's discuss WHY it has been deemed unconstitutional. For one thing, that's an extremely difficult shot to make. The target is quite narrow, and in continuous motion as the suspect runs away/charges the officer. Under the best of conditions trying to hit the leg is challenging...to be generous about it. But in a life or death encounter, the officer's fine motor skills will be eroded by the stress of the encounter making the shot, turning a leg shot into a very low probability feat.

Assuming a round does hit the leg, then what? The only way a shot to the leg would immediately stop a threat is by shattering one of the bones, and stopping the threat is the ultimate goal. While it is very difficult to find a shot to the leg that will immediately stop a threat, it is actually comparatively easy to find shots to the leg which eventually prove fatal. Human legs have very large blood vessels which are essentially unprotected (femoral artery)

Now remember, we’ve had days to sit back, watch videos, discuss, and analyze this entire thing. The officers had less than a minute from the time the fight started, and less than 5 seconds to interpret EVERYTHING you just read while running, getting shot at with a taser, and returning fire.”

-Greg James
Founder/Executive Director
Georgia Law Enforcement Organization

And by rights he was suppose to be in prison. The only reason he was out was because of this Covid BS.

 

[allvol123]

“Black Lives Matter” has become a colloquialism for “anything that will help the black community”. What’s the big deal if they find an appropriate cause, wear a special jersey and auction them off to willing buyers who know exactly what they are donating to? People act as if somebody has a gun to their head telling them to give $100 to Louis Farrakhan if they ever want to see football again.

True, who cares how an educational institution interacts and instructs young black minds as long as we get our footbawl.