Boehner - Obama Never Had a Real Job

#52
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look at GW. He was all into that mushy mushy "reach across the aisle" thing and look what it got him. Absolutely nothing.

Despite what a lot of the pundits say, you don't get voted into office to be partisan. If I wanted you to pass the other's sides ideas, I would've voted for them. Get in office and do what you were elected to do and let the other side b!tch and moan. **** 'em.

The GOP was control of the house 6 of the 8 years Bush was in office and also had control of the Senate 4 years.

Bush did not have to do very little that " mushy mushy reach across the aisle thing" .He had the GOP in power.

The GOP are just as bad as the Dems.
 
#53
#53
The GOP was control of the house 6 of the 8 years Bush was in office and also had control of the Senate 4 years.

Bush did not have to do very little that " mushy mushy reach across the aisle thing" .He had the GOP in power.

The GOP are just as bad as the Dems.

gridlock is the only option until career option is gone for Pols.
 
#54
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Romney has been fairly conservative so far. There is plenty of ammunition that he could use to take it to a whole new level of nasty. I think the media holds him back. I mean attack their messiah and they get real nasty with you. I've never seen the media protect a president like they have him.

Do you call his record as Gov of Ma shows him to be a conservative?
 
#55
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gridlock is the only option until career option is gone for Pols.

I respectfully disagree. I think gridlock is a terrible option.

Edit:

I read you post wrong BPV.... I had a gray moment..

I do agree with your post..

I guess you could say I fli flopped or evolved very quickly on this issue.
 
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#56
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The GOP was control of the house 6 of the 8 years Bush was in office and also had control of the Senate 4 years.

Bush did not have to do very little that " mushy mushy reach across the aisle thing" .He had the GOP in power.

The GOP are just as bad as the Dems.

gridlock is the only option until career option is gone for Pols.

Full agreement on both.
 
#58
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Campaign strategy has been conservative. There is a lot of ammo he isn't using for whatever reason, maybe it just isn't time yet.

IIRC He cannot spend his general election campaign funds until after the convention.
 
#61
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That is the problem with politicians in general is none of them have held "real jobs." Most of them have worked their way up the political ranks. Obama has not held a real job. A community organizer is someone whose job is to figure out how to mooch other people's money and spend it no matter how in efficiently. That's less of a job then 90% of your public sector jobs in my books.

It's been nailed on the head already by BPV and Gramps but I will say it again, Washington will not get fixed until there are term limits on Congress. Period.
 
#62
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Plenty of politicians have had real jobs - particularly in the House. Plenty haven't and have been in the political machine their entire adult lives.
 
#63
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That is the problem with politicians in general is none of them have held "real jobs." Most of them have worked their way up the political ranks. Obama has not held a real job. A community organizer is someone whose job is to figure out how to mooch other people's money and spend it no matter how in efficiently. That's less of a job then 90% of your public sector jobs in my books.

It's been nailed on the head already by BPV and Gramps but I will say it again, Washington will not get fixed until there are term limits on Congress. Period.

Getting a multi-party system is more important than term limits.
 
#64
#64
Getting a multi-party system is more important than term limits.

I think term limits enables a multiparty system.

Of course, the entire set of rules for House and Senate are based in a 2 party system so change would be difficult.
 
#65
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I think term limits enables a multiparty system.

Of course, the entire set of rules for House and Senate are based in a 2 party system so change would be difficult.

Yeah. I'm just saying that a multi-party system doesn't need term limits to be effective. We need a system which fosters many different ideas and fresh ways of attacking problems.

You're right though, term limits might be the only viable way to break the two party system stranglehold we have now.
 
#66
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Right I've said it before... the two parties have a monopoly right now and it'd be real real hard to break unless we changed up the system. The problem is, we have to depend on those clowns to do just that, as I don't think an executive order could do something of that nature.
 
#67
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Right I've said it before... the two parties have a monopoly right now and it'd be real real hard to break unless we changed up the system. The problem is, we have to depend on those clowns to do just that, as I don't think an executive order could do something of that nature.

I dunno how. Executive branch is different than the legislative branch.
 
#68
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Right and I'm sure there is no constitutional grounds for it, but I can almost guarantee the career politician path that most seem to take is not what the framers had in mind.

I think the only people who'd be willing to exact that are the ones that keep getting shot down. They are going to be the "normal" people like us who are just as fed up with Washington as we are, but they will be labeled as inexperienced or incompetent since they didn't go through the prescribed "proper" channels of being vetted by their superiors. And this probably would take multiple complete overhauls as Washington wholly corrupts and even the most strongest of wills will eventually succumb. It's a pipe dream as the Senate is even worse then the House but I do think that if there is an answer that is it.
 
#69
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I think term limits enables a multiparty system.

Of course, the entire set of rules for House and Senate are based in a 2 party system so change would be difficult.

I believe federal congressional term limits were struck down by the SCOTUS after the Contract With America was passed under Gingrich's speakership. As much as I agree with the concept, the Supremes have spoken.
 
#70
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I believe federal congressional term limits were struck down by the SCOTUS after the Contract With America was passed under Gingrich's speakership. As much as I agree with the concept, the Supremes have spoken.

was not aware of that - looks like individual states were doing it and that was considered unconstitutional. Looks like it would take an amendment to the Constitution to bring it about - will never happen.

HIGH COURT BLOCKS TERM LIMITS FOR CONGRESS IN A 5-4 DECISION - New York Times
 
#71
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Re: 2 party system- Fact is the overwhelming majority of people tend to fall into one of two catagories, which are represented by the 2 major parties. Third parties come and go but usually get folded into Reps or Dems because you have to work within the system to effect change (like the Tea Party).
 
#73
#73
3rd parties almost always take power away from one party disproportionately and the ones that left then see the opposing party gain power which draws them back. The 2 party system has substantial defense mechanisms.
 
#74
#74
I believe federal congressional term limits were struck down by the SCOTUS after the Contract With America was passed under Gingrich's speakership. As much as I agree with the concept, the Supremes have spoken.

was not aware of that - looks like individual states were doing it and that was considered unconstitutional. Looks like it would take an amendment to the Constitution to bring it about - will never happen.

HIGH COURT BLOCKS TERM LIMITS FOR CONGRESS IN A 5-4 DECISION - New York Times

I was not aware of this. With 2 year terms, the ones not doing a good job should get voted out but we live in the the USA where congress is terrible with the exception of my congressperson who is doing a great job.
 
#75
#75
I was not aware of this. With 2 year terms, the ones not doing a good job should get voted out but we live in the the USA where congress is terrible with the exception of my congressperson who is doing a great job.

funny you should mention the last sentence - I think polls repeatedly show disgust with Congress as a whole but not with one's own's Reps.
 

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