Boren Postures For BIG XII Network

[BUBear]

I don't even blame you for being delusional. But Texas can essentially go where they want including independence. Eventually they'll get tired of propping up the big12-4+2. The dominos will eventually fall.

They'll fall OK. Why does ESPN continue to prop them up?

Only the "mouse" knows.

 

[TrueOrange]

What is a Baylor and why are they talking about football on a Tennessee Football forum?

Big12 is the Big East of 5-6 years ago. Everyone knows they're on the way out, no one really watches the games ( I think they're mostly on regional Fox or something) , and a handful of the teams currently in the Big12-4+2 are going to be in non-AQ conferences within 5 years.

My bet is Texas, TTech, OU, OSU, Kansas, and maybe TCU (due to DFW) move on to greener pastures. The directional schools and WVU all get left out. No amount of bad defense and 70 point games against Nobody U. will save the other schools. They simply don't have the viewers, academic prowess, or tradition to warrant invites from any of the power leagues.

Texas is obviously in the driver's seat, and they control the fate of the conference with their move. Doing patchwork like the dying Big East did with Cinci, USF, and UConn will not work. They've kind of already started with WVU and TCU, however TCU has proven to not be a total waste on the field.

Kansas unfortunately wouldn't be going anywhere. If the Big 12 falls apart, that school would end up unfortunately as a casualty of sorts, having to find a home in a smaller conference. Being a big name in basketball unfortunately doesn't translate to terribly much in expansion value...especially with the smaller market value their location gives them.

 

[BlueHalo]

Kansas unfortunately wouldn't be going anywhere. If the Big 12 falls apart, that school would end up unfortunately as a casualty of sorts, having to find a home in a smaller conference. Being a big name in basketball unfortunately doesn't translate to terribly much in expansion value...especially with the smaller market value their location gives them.

I could just see a scenario where the ACC adds UConn and Kansas to solidify themselves as the premier basketball conference for generations.

 

[BUBear]

I could just see a scenario where the ACC adds UConn and Kansas to solidify themselves as the premier basketball conference for generations.

Would it be wise of the ACC to add anymore basketball schools? How would FSU and Va Tech interpret such a move?

 

[BUBear]

Do you honestly think Mizzzou, A&M or Arkansas have enough juice to keep Texas or OU out of the SEC, if the conference decides to expand?

I think Texas has a lesser chance of getting in than FSU does. What do you think the chances are that the Noles get in?

 

[General Jack]

Texas needs to become an independent and get it over with. They really aren't conference partner type material anyway, they don't want to share their toys with the other kids in the sand box.

 

[UTwild82]

Texas needs to become an independent and get it over with. They really aren't conference partner type material anyway, they don't want to share their toys with the other kids in the sand box.

Agree. That's why I think they will end up with a Notre Dame-esque agreement with the ACC. Baylor goes with and possibly TCU as full members. The ACC is the only conference happy to add religious private schools not named Notre Dame.

If that happens, I think the Texas / A&M game is brought back and added to the other SEC /ACC rivalry weekend games.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

What is a Baylor and why are they talking about football on a Tennessee Football forum?

Big12 is the Big East of 5-6 years ago. Everyone knows they're on the way out, no one really watches the games ( I think they're mostly on regional Fox or something) , and a handful of the teams currently in the Big12-4+2 are going to be in non-AQ conferences within 5 years.

My bet is Texas, TTech, OU, OSU, Kansas, and maybe TCU (due to DFW) move on to greener pastures. The directional schools and WVU all get left out. No amount of bad defense and 70 point games against Nobody U. will save the other schools. They simply don't have the viewers, academic prowess, or tradition to warrant invites from any of the power leagues.

Texas is obviously in the driver's seat, and they control the fate of the conference with their move. Doing patchwork like the dying Big East did with Cinci, USF, and UConn will not work. They've kind of already started with WVU and TCU, however TCU has proven to not be a total waste on the field.

It's the Around the NCAA forum; that's why we're talking about Baylor.

 

[Pappy]

Can they really muster the "best" legal firepower in the state? Really??? The tabacco industry couldn't but you're saying the whorns can?

$14 billion is only $14 billion. The state is still thanking Team Tabacco. The whorns are well aware of the names on our new Law School and the field at our new stadium (these guys work for free).

But in case they still aren't sure, Chancellor Ken Starr just might pull Bill Clinton's law license out of his back pocket and let them have a little peak, Ken's cool like that.

I thought that the tabacco industry was dead. Now, that may not be true for the tobacco industry.

 

[BUBear]

i thought that the tabacco industry was dead. Now, that may not be true for the tobacco industry.

 

[BUBear]

Agree. That's why I think they will end up with a Notre Dame-esque agreement with the ACC. Baylor goes with and possibly TCU as full members. The ACC is the only conference happy to add religious private schools not named Notre Dame.

If that happens, I think the Texas / A&M game is brought back and added to the other SEC /ACC rivalry weekend games.

Notre Dame and the whorns in the same conference? That's some "must see tv. " Who'll carry it, NBC or the LHN? Doesn't matter, I'll watch it lol. UNC won't know what hit them (deer in headlights).

Bring this on, I'll pay.

opcorn:

 

[BUBear]

Kansas unfortunately wouldn't be going anywhere. If the Big 12 falls apart, that school would end up unfortunately as a casualty of sorts, having to find a home in a smaller conference. Being a big name in basketball unfortunately doesn't translate to terribly much in expansion value...especially with the smaller market value their location gives them.

If the BIG XII were to falter, Kansas should package a deal with Wichita St and head to the AAC IMO. That would give them a chance to compete and grow their football brand in the same way TCU did.

It would also make the AAC a salty little basketball conference:

Kansas
Wichita St
UConn
Villanova
SMU (Larry Brown)
SDSU (Steve Fisher)
Houston
Cinncy
Memphis

 

[bamawriter]

If the BIG XII were to falter, Kansas should package a deal with Wichita St and head to the AAC IMO. That would give them a chance to compete and grow their football brand in the same way TCU did.

It would also make the AAC a salty little basketball conference:

Kansas
Wichita St
UConn
Villanova
SMU (Larry Brown)
SDSU (Steve Fisher)
Houston
Cinncy
Memphis

Isn't Villanova in the Big East and SDSU in the MWC?

 

[BUBear]

Isn't Villanova in the Big East and SDSU in the MWC?

I thought the same thing you do but according to the AAC web site they are members. The site also list Navy...I knew they were new members.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Athletic_Conference

This link shows a map of the lower 48 and where member schools are located.

 

[BUBear]

Isn't Villanova in the Big East and SDSU in the MWC?

My bad, women's rowing lol.

:loco:

Scratch SDSU and Villanova and insert Tulsa. The Golden Canes have had their share of good coaches in the pasy (JD Barnett, Clarence Iba, Danny Manning, Nolan Richardson, Bill Self and Tubby Smith). Let's see what Frank Haith can do with them.

 

[bamawriter]

My bad, women's rowing lol.

:loco:

Scratch SDSU and Villanova and insert Tulsa. The Golden Canes have had their share of good coaches in the pasy (JD Barnett, Clarence Iba, Danny Manning, Nolan Richardson, Bill Self and Tubby Smith). Let's see what Frank Haith can do with them.

Glad I wasn't crazy. After your previous post I was like "When did this happen and how did I miss it?"

 

[BUBear]

Glad I wasn't crazy. After your previous post I was like "When did this happen and how did I miss it?"

Brain fart,I had one lol.

 

[TrueOrange]

I think Texas has a lesser chance of getting in than FSU does. What do you think the chances are that the Noles get in?

To the SEC? Not dramatically high (nor terribly low either, honestly), mostly due to the SEC already having a major team in FL and how FSU responded during and following the 1992 expansion of the conference.


Really - if we're just talking about the two schools alone, nothing else - University of Texas and its athletics program [football] would probably have the higher chance of the two. I say probably, though, because the Longhorns would have to be willing to share their LHN revenue with the conference...and I'm not sure that's something they'd be too willing to do by choice.

 

[TrueOrange]

Agree. That's why I think they will end up with a Notre Dame-esque agreement with the ACC. Baylor goes with and possibly TCU as full members. The ACC is the only conference happy to add religious private schools not named Notre Dame.

If that happens, I think the Texas / A&M game is brought back and added to the other SEC /ACC rivalry weekend games.

They wouldn't even need a Notre-Dame-esque agreement. Unless something has changed from the last round of realignment, the ACC is like the one other major conference that would let let them keep their LHN revenue as full members.

But if they were taking a Texas school with them anywhere (not that they'd need to, though), the chances seem higher for it to be Texas Tech over the others (no offense meant, BUBear).

 

[alexbond45]

To the SEC? Not dramatically high (nor terribly low either, honestly), mostly due to the SEC already having a major team in FL and how FSU responded during and following the 1992 expansion of the conference.


Really - if we're just talking about the two schools alone, nothing else - University of Texas and its athletics program [football] would probably have the higher chance of the two. I say probably, though, because the Longhorns would have to be willing to share their LHN revenue with the conference...and I'm not sure that's something they'd be too willing to do by choice.

And their rep would be tarnished by constant losses to teams used to a good conference

 

[UTwild82]

They wouldn't even need a Notre-Dame-esque agreement. Unless something has changed from the last round of realignment, the ACC is like the one other major conference that would let let them keep their LHN revenue as full members.

But if they were taking a Texas school with them anywhere (not that they'd need to, though), the chances seem higher for it to be Texas Tech over the others (no offense meant, BUBear).

They wouldn't need to be quasi independent to keep the LHN, but I could see Texas hubris driving them to believing they should be independent.

I think you are right, there would be pressure to make sure Tech is taken care of. If the Big 10, ACC, and SEC expand to 16, I could see the PAC reaching out and grabbing Tech, OK State, Kansas St, and Iowa State. While that scenario isn't likely, I think it's less likely they just sit back and watch the other 3 conferences go to 16 and just sit at 12. If OU and TX are off the board, who else could they pick up?

 

[BUBear]

They wouldn't even need a Notre-Dame-esque agreement. Unless something has changed from the last round of realignment, the ACC is like the one other major conference that would let let them keep their LHN revenue as full members.

But if they were taking a Texas school with them anywhere (not that they'd need to, though), the chances seem higher for it to be Texas Tech over the others (no offense meant, BUBear).

Not too sure Tech's "academics" would get them into the ACC.

 

[BUBear]

What is a Baylor and why are they talking about football on a Tennessee Football forum?

Big12 is the Big East of 5-6 years ago. Everyone knows they're on the way out, no one really watches the games ( I think they're mostly on regional Fox or something) , and a handful of the teams currently in the Big12-4+2 are going to be in non-AQ conferences within 5 years.

My bet is Texas, TTech, OU, OSU, Kansas, and maybe TCU (due to DFW) move on to greener pastures. The directional schools and WVU all get left out. No amount of bad defense and 70 point games against Nobody U. will save the other schools. They simply don't have the viewers, academic prowess, or tradition to warrant invites from any of the power leagues.

Texas is obviously in the driver's seat, and they control the fate of the conference with their move. Doing patchwork like the dying Big East did with Cinci, USF, and UConn will not work. They've kind of already started with WVU and TCU, however TCU has proven to not be a total waste on the field.

What is a Baylor? Really?

It might be the school where your Redskins QB played at or it could be where the most recent winner of the Manning QB Skills Challenge will play this season.



There were 38 QBs there, including Heisman front runner Trevone. Boykin. The Mannings and Briles can spot a QB when they see one but baby Gruden can't? Guess your (fore)skins hired the wrong Gruden. Bryce Petty says :loco:

 

[VolNExile]

What is a Baylor? Really?

It might be the school where your Redskins QB played at or it could be where the most recent winner of the Manning QB Skills Challenge will play this season.

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There were 38 QBs there, including Heisman front runner Trevone. Boykin. The Mannings and Briles can spot a QB when they see one but baby Gruden can't? Guess your (fore)skins hired the wrong Gruden. Bryce Petty says :loco:

Oh goodness, a QB camp cut a deal with Baylor, and therefore it's the bee's knees in football. :crazy: