Boulware, Jones, and Stewart

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The Breakerboy said:
I've been watching him play like he has for two years now. His arm hurting shouldn't bother his jumping ability.
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Fair enough. You have a right to your opinion. Just trying to give some of you some info, that might change your perception of the young man's performance Saturday night. Keep throwing bricks since you seem to be perfect in all things that you do in life. Don't forget some of the critical catches he made for us last year, especially in the Georgia game...at least 2 3rd and 10 conversions, and I think there may have been more.
 
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VolsByNature said:
Is a very good haul at OL. I understand the concern of the Chance Hall injury, but you have to like where we sit at OL right now, as far as recruiting goes.
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all guards except Hall. a year to heal, 1 to get your confidence back, and more than likely will never be 100% again, Achilles blowout is a terrible injury

coaches need to get at least 1 tackle
 
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lovavol said:
all guards except Hall. a year to heal, 1 to get your confidence back, and more than likely will never be 100% again, Achilles blowout is a terrible injury

coaches need to get at least 1 tackle
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Several of our OT's currently are listed at 6'4-6'5 and about 300.

I'm not sure why Jones and or Boulware could not easily grow into OT's. Both are about 6'4-6'5 now and both are well over 275lbs. The staff took Boulware about the same time IMO they found out they had lost out on Richmond. I would not be surprised at all to see Jones, Boulware, and Hall all 3 get a serious look at OT. Stewart is a OG all the way.

Having Ryan Johnson at OT already in the fold for 2016 helps as well.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
Fair enough. You have a right to your opinion. Just trying to give some of you some info, that might change your perception of the young man's performance Saturday night. Keep throwing bricks since you seem to be perfect in all things that you do in life. Don't forget some of the critical catches he made for us last year, especially in the Georgia game...at least 2 3rd and 10 conversions, and I think there may have been more.
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It doesn't bother me quite as much all these armchair coaches second guessing the staff, though I doubt one person on here could do better than either coordinator. But all these people talking about how soft this player is or how bad that player is should keep it to themselves (IMO). Should Croom have made that catch? Yes, but he didn't, so people need to get over it. He is out there working his butt off (else he wouldn't see the field), giving his all for Tennessee. I have almost dropped off of here a couple of times because of this kind of pissing and moaning and criticizing. Again, maybe somebody who is on here blasting these kids could do better. But somehow, I doubt it.
 
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At what point are fans allowed to criticize a player for not performing? Seems like the majority of the fanbase feels it taboo to do so.
I'm sure that there are 20 year olds in other walks of life that are in roles where they are counted on to perform (military comes to mind), but if we expect positive results from a participant in a game, we are told it's not fair to demand from them because "they're doing their best", or "giving their all".

I'm sick of the "everyone gets a trophy" attitude". I don't understand the angst about a fan expecting a player to do well, or the resulting frustration if they don't.

I appreciated the insight Mzterry brought during the recruiting process, but the results to this point speak for themselves. If Croom wants to avoid being the topic of negative conversation, perhaps he shouldn't provide the ammunition for such discussion. Same goes for any player on any team anywhere.

Why is it inappropriate to criticize a college player today, but okay to do so next season when/if they're in the league?

Just a rant that has been building from the weekend comments of the board as a whole.
 
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What good does it do to harp on a player's failures? Maybe it makes some feel better to vent, but it's not like it has any affect on his future performance. I'm sure the coaches know how to reach their players.

If you're going to criticize one, might as well go ahead and point out the others that screwed up, and there was plenty of it.

Bottom line for me, I see a lot of young guys busting their asses out there, going 100% on every play, and that for me is enough. They're learning the finer details of proper execution, usually against players with much more experience. The effort is there, the rest will come.

JMO.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
Fair enough. You have a right to your opinion. Just trying to give some of you some info, that might change your perception of the young man's performance Saturday night. Keep throwing bricks since you seem to be perfect in all things that you do in life. Don't forget some of the critical catches he made for us last year, especially in the Georgia game...at least 2 3rd and 10 conversions, and I think there may have been more.
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Look dude you don't take up for the other players so stop trying to fight the case here. We're not talking about last year. He's still not using his size at all. Not hard to see.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Several of our OT's currently are listed at 6'4-6'5 and about 300.

I'm not sure why Jones and or Boulware could not easily grow into OT's. Both are about 6'4-6'5 now and both are well over 275lbs. The staff took Boulware about the same time IMO they found out they had lost out on Richmond. I would not be surprised at all to see Jones, Boulware, and Hall all 3 get a serious look at OT. Stewart is a OG all the way.

Having Ryan Johnson at OT already in the fold for 2016 helps as well.
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It's not all about size. I'm no expert, but I know coaches look for long arms and very quick feet for OTs. It's a lot harder to pass block on the edge against athletic DEs. I haven't heard much about our current OL commits outside of Hall projecting to OT. Hopefully one or more of them can do it, but it takes more than just being big.
 
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I am more upset that Jake continues to dial up plays that require strong performances from players that have not yet proven they can make them in critical situations. Like Croom and freshmen O-linemen. Add in not changing schemes and formations to ones that will work given the personnel he has to work with that are improving as a group daily. I thought the goal was to win each and every game. But apparently perception and process are more important.

I like what I see of these three linemen. Now get a dominating LT and they are good to go.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Look dude you don't take up for the other players so stop trying to fight the case here. We're not talking about last year. He's still not using his size at all. Not hard to see.
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Just took up for the whole OL in another thread. Only player I said anything about that I shouldn't have the other night during the game was DY, and said it was time someone else get a chance. Also, I stood up for Worley the other night too, when someone was blasting him. So, dude, get your facts straight before you make a statement to me. I've never had a problem with you. All I did was mention that Croom is actually injured and might play a small part in him not catching the ball. I never talked about that he's not using his body correctly, etc, etc. That's beyond my abilities to discuss.
 
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Vols4us said:
I am more upset that Jake continues to dial up plays that require strong performances from players that have not yet proven they can make them in critical situations. Like Croom and freshmen O-linemen. Add in not changing schemes and formations to ones that will work given the personnel he has to work with that are improving as a group daily. I thought the goal was to win each and every game. But apparently perception and process are more important.

I like what I see of these three linemen. Now get a dominating LT and they are good to go.
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Gonna have to disagree with you on Croom. OC had Croom matched up one on one with a smaller DB, JW put the ball in the cradle of Croom's arms. Croom had height and physicality on his side with DB behind him. That does not require a strong performance, that is just doing what a receiver is supposed to do. That being said Croom missed it like every receiver has many times before but it was magnified by the interception in the end zone. But do not say the OC is asking for superhuman feats all the time, that is just not true. I am sure the wish they had that dominating LT and it would make things easier all the way across the line, but remember that is a doofus eff'up there.
 
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Absolutely 100% agree with BB, maybe for the first time ever. He is exactly right re: Croom. It's not an insult if it's the truth. He plays soft. Of course baby avi has a bias, naturally. But take the blinders off.
 
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
Absolutely 100% agree with BB, maybe for the first time ever. He is exactly right re: Croom. It's not an insult if it's the truth. He plays soft. Of course baby avi has a bias, naturally. But take the blinders off.
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I have bias towards the entire team, because they make up the University of Tennessee football program. All I did was try to shed some light on a specific player that I know about, and let everyone know that he is also playing injured. He's not just hurt and banged up, but injured, yet he is trying to play through it to help the team. Some of you are so dense with your own agenda, so that you can prove your point and maybe pat yourself on the back.
 
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Vols4us said:
I am more upset that Jake continues to dial up plays that require strong performances from players that have not yet proven they can make them in critical situations. Like Croom and freshmen O-linemen. Add in not changing schemes and formations to ones that will work given the personnel he has to work with that are improving as a group daily. I thought the goal was to win each and every game. But apparently perception and process are more important.

I like what I see of these three linemen. Now get a dominating LT and they are good to go.
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What plays do you run that takes advantage of an inexperienced OL? To me you have to call what you can do the best. At this point it is the QB and the receivers.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
So you feel his commitment to Ole Miss was just for the heck of it?

Yeah, TN has always had me as their #1 OL recruit. CBJ has made me a priority from day 1. I have set my "special day" as Sept 9th to honor my friend. Says family and friends is why he is staying close to home and I'll commit to Ole Miss. "Go Rebs".

And less than a week later you feel he is just waiting to flip to the Vols and everything he said has changed? Really?
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I do think its possible yes. He was under extreme pressure to go to ole miss. He stated he was keeping it open to visits but he wanted to commit to focus on his senior year. This keeps people off his back & still keeps his options open. If he said vols he would be hearing it all year long.
 
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Magic8Vol said:
I do think its possible yes. He was under extreme pressure to go to ole miss. He stated he was keeping it open to visits but he wanted to commit to focus on his senior year. This keeps people off his back & still keeps his options open. If he said vols he would be hearing it all year long.
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If CBJ and UT are going to continue to recruit and try to flip Drew Richmond, IMO that means it's Drew or nothing at OT going forward. IMO it would be near impossible to flip another OT committed to another school(Sweet, Allen, etc) IF that recruit knows the UT staff will continue to push for DR and would take him IF they can get him. If it were me, I would move on from DR IF I felt good about flipping another OT.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Stop that, Croom wasn't supposed to lose that battle at all. Ball really went through his hands. Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane.
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This all day long. Getting a little tired of people thinking Croom should not have caught that ball. The ball was not overthrown, it hit him in the hands. He should have been able to hold on to it. No excuses.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
Not sure how you fault North losing a bad forced ball with 3 defenders covering him. Croom def at a minimum should have went up and used his body to fend off the defender and that could have at least made it incomplete but prob ends up a TD for Croom. Instead he felt the guy up with his hands like a finesse WR would
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IMO we need to end the lamenting on about Croom. I was certainly pissed how that play turned out but it was in conjunction with great defense. The player had solid inside position on Croom before the ball was let go. And knowing his size deficit, he really did a great job taking his stride away. When you do that you can cut a man down to size. It was heartbreaking but I think Croom grows and becomes a damn good receiver. Remember, he is only a sophomore.
 
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ToptheTerrible said:
IMO we need to end the lamenting on about Croom. I was certainly pissed how that play turned out but it was in conjunction with great defense. The player had solid inside position on Croom before the ball was let go. And knowing his size deficit, he really did a great job taking his stride away. When you do that you can cut a man down to size. It was heartbreaking but I think Croom grows and becomes a damn good receiver. Remember, he is only a sophomore.
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I'll stop lamenting Croom, when the 6-5 243lb top 247 wide receiver puts up better numbers than 1.2 receptions a game a 2 touchdowns in 2 plus years.
 
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