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#151
#151
gsvol said:
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1. No, what the hell is an average Christian?

2. No, as a matter of fact I have sympathy for any child who, because of the religion of his father must be of the same religion under pain of death to go any other way.
They are human beings that are all in an unfortunate state of being.






Would the God of Abraham raise up one to utterly destroy and eliminate the children of Israel?

I think not.
No prophet, not only those recorded in the Bible but also some lesser known prophets found in the Dead Sea Scroll writings ever prophesied that.

Now God did (through his prophet) say that he would send them into captivity.

At the same time that prophet made such a prophecy, it is recorded in other writings that a shepard boy in the hills of Persia (probably of the Zoroastrian faith) was visited by an angelic hoard singing God's praises, just as happened in Israel about the time of the birth of Jesus.

Twenty years later that Persian shepard boy sat on the throne in Babylon, having conquered five nations and did indeed conquer Israel and take them into captivity.

Just what prophet ever prophesied of muhammed.

The only prophecy I know of is when Jesus said; "Beware of false prophets."

When the illiterate muhammed first had siezures (possibly epileptic) and had visions, he thought he was being possessed by a jinn (a demon) but his wife convinced him it was of God.

As he rose to power he incorporated from all the regional religions, including the pagans as is evidenced by the moon phase that signals the start of ramadan, that pagan religion had been around long before God chose Abraham.

Even choosing Mecca to be the center of his religion and using the Kaaba as a center related to pagan worship in that the Kaaba housed 360 idols.

While it is true that he settled on a monotheistic mode for his new religion and borrowed extensively from Judaism and Christianity, he was in no wise a prophet of God but a murderous thief and pedarast at that.

Let me ask you this, are you familiar at all with the terms 'taqqiya and kitman?'







Is that how you describe yourself?

You're telling me way more than I wanted to know about you.
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No, he just destroyes other people who don't believe in their religion. Hello, Old Testament.
 
#152
#152
zjcvols said:
No, he just destroyes other people who don't believe in their religion. Hello, Old Testament.
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And what happened 2,500 years ago has just what to do with current events?

Another important difference, the Old Testament has to do with the establishment of a homeland, unlike islam and the history thereof, which has to do with conquering the whole world.

And important distinction you entirely overlooked in your superficial analysis.
 
#153
#153
gsvol said:
And what happened 2,500 years ago has just what to do with current events?
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The Christian God is atemporal and immutable.

gsvol said:
Another important difference, the Old Testament has to do with the establishment of a homeland, unlike islam and the history thereof, which has to do with conquering the whole world.
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The Old Testament has to do with the establishment of a homeland through savage acts inspired by God.

gsvol said:
And important distinction you entirely overlooked in your superficial analysis.
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*an

And, ditto.
 
#154
#154
gsvol said:
And what happened 2,500 years ago has just what to do with current events?

Another important difference, the Old Testament has to do with the establishment of a homeland, unlike islam and the history thereof, which has to do with conquering the whole world.

And important distinction you entirely overlooked in your superficial analysis.
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That Israel left freely. Hey, they decided to leave. They weren't forced out. Other people inhabited the land, and then God basically said "Well...um, go kill everyone."

And since you're a christian, it just shows your hypocrisy.

By the way, Muslims don't want to take over the world. Would you like a tin foil hat?
 
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#155
zjcvols said:
That Israel left freely. Hey, they decided to leave. They weren't forced out. Other people inhabited the land, and then God basically said "Well...um, go kill everyone."

And since you're a christian, it just shows your hypocrisy.

By the way, Muslims don't want to take over the world. Would you like a tin foil hat?
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Maybe you want a dunce cap?

That statement reflects a gross ignorance of what is written in islamic texts and what islamic scholars all say.

When they went to Egypt they were just a family group, Melchisedek, the king of Salem (which is Jerusalem, the city of peace,) ruled the land they had left. Abraham had paid a tythe (one tenth of all increases per year) to Melchisedek.

It is said that Melchisedek and all his people had no beginning and no end, which most people believe means they were immortals. (see Zoroastrian belief for clarification)

We don't know what happened to them but the land was given by God to the Iraelites and because of how those living there were living their lives (see Sodom and Gommorah), the Israelites were told to eradicate them.

At any rate they were NOT the Arabs who now call themselved 'Palestinians', in case you didn't know that.

So now, just what is my hypocrisy?
 
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#156
Are you going to argue that the New Testament does not admonish Christians to make converts out of the whole world?
 
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#158
I imagine the response will be that Christians do not use violence to spread the gospel while Muslims utilize force to do so. Just my guess. Actually, I'd be willing to bet money that will be his eventual response.
 
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#159
PKT_VOL said:
I imagine the response will be that Christians do not use violence to spread the gospel while Muslims utilize force to do so. Just my guess. Actually, I'd be willing to bet money that will be his eventual response.
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Duh!

Would that not be intuitively obvious to even the mnost casual of observers?

Notice how he sidesteps each issue as if he is the artful dodger?

Such as, what happens to the convert of each afterwards or the penalties for not accepting the tenets of said religion?
 
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#160
gsvol said:
Such as, what happens to the convert of each afterwards or the penalties for not accepting the tenets of said religion?
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Do inquisitions, reformations, and counter-reformations mean anything to you?

Christians have killed plenty of individuals because they were labeled 'heretics', 'blasphemers', and 'apostates'.

Of course, you always sidestep this because it happened in the past.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykbx-yzFgBo[/youtube]
 
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#161
therealUT said:
Do inquisitions, reformations, and counter-reformations mean anything to you?

Christians have killed plenty of individuals because they were labeled 'heretics', 'blasphemers', and 'apostates'.

Of course, you always sidestep this because it happened in the past.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykbx-yzFgBo[/youtube]
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Nice touch with the Lion King. Well played, sir.
 
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#164
therealUT said:
Do inquisitions, reformations, and counter-reformations mean anything to you?

Christians have killed plenty of individuals because they were labeled 'heretics', 'blasphemers', and 'apostates'.

Of course, you always sidestep this because it happened in the past.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykbx-yzFgBo[/youtube]
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You do realize that currently more people are killed each year by islamic jihad than were killed in the whole 350 years of the inqusition?

I don't understand why you keep on with the same stupid, ignorant argument.

Likewise I don't understand why you have such an avid ignorant cheering section.
 
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#165
gsvol said:
You do realize that currently more people are killed each year by islamic jihad than were killed in the whole 350 years of the inqusition?
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1. This shows your ass and your ignorance. There was more than just the Spanish Inquisition. The inquisitions took place over 600 years.

2. Plenty of people were 'simply tortured' or imprisoned or tortured and imprisoned during the inquisitions instead of being killed.

3. There are few if any reliable numbers of how many individuals were killed by the inquisition and how many are killed by 'Islamic Jihad'. If you do not think that laypersons in the 12th Century were taking it upon themselves to kill heretics, blasphemers, and Jews in the name of Christianity then you are certainly living in the dark.

4. Due to the plague, you are dealing with reduced numbers in Europe, anyhow. Like I said, find a statistic that shows percentage of population eradicated by Jihad vs. percentage of population eradicated by the inquisitions, the reformation, and the counter-reformation.
 
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#166
therealUT said:
1. This shows your ass and your ignorance. There was more than just the Spanish Inquisition. The inquisitions took place over 600 years.

2. Plenty of people were 'simply tortured' or imprisoned or tortured and imprisoned during the inquisitions instead of being killed.

3. There are few if any reliable numbers of how many individuals were killed by the inquisition and how many are killed by 'Islamic Jihad'. If you do not think that laypersons in the 12th Century were taking it upon themselves to kill heretics, blasphemers, and Jews in the name of Christianity then you are certainly living in the dark.

4. Due to the plague, you are dealing with reduced numbers in Europe, anyhow. Like I said, find a statistic that shows percentage of population eradicated by Jihad vs. percentage of population eradicated by the inquisitions, the reformation, and the counter-reformation.
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1. No, you are showing your ass and ignorance by making such an argument in the first place as it relates to current events.

Two points stick out glaringly, like a sore thumb:

A; At no point did the inquisitions reach the barbarity and brutality of islamic jihad at any time.

B; The inquisitions did end and although the abuse of power exibited during the inquisitions is well worthy of criticism, OTOH islamic jihad has gone on for 1,500 years and shows no signs of abating.

2. Far FAR more people were captured and made into slaves for the rest of their lives or until they might be ransomed if they were important and wealthy enough, by islamic jihad than any abuses of the inquisitons PERIOD.

3. While that is true to some extent, there came an end to such abuse, when do you predict the islamic jihad will end?

4. So you are blaming the plague on Christianity, might I remind you that the Eurpoean plague was started by moslems, who, while beseiging a Christian city, catapulted bodis of people who had died from the plague over the walls and into the city, thus causing a great amount of death among the residents and from there the plague spread across the rest of Europe.

Who would've thunk the Butterball thread would last all the way into the Christmas season, thanks for playing. :)
 
#167
#167
When did I blame the plague on Christianity?

And, are you really trying to blame the plague on Islam?
 
#168
#168
therealUT said:
When did I blame the plague on Christianity?

And, are you really trying to blame the plague on Islam?
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The moslem seige was the first known use of bacteriological warfare, who knows if Europe would have suffered the widespread plague if not for that event?

Perhaps you have some data on population percentages?

It couldn't possibly be anything at all like the percentages in Arabia, Egypt and the Tigris Euphrates valleys for instance.

I recommend a Danish ham instead of a butterball for Christmas dinner.
 
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#171
gsvol said:
The moslem seige was the first known use of bacteriological warfare, who knows if Europe would have suffered the widespread plague if not for that event?
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Are you implying that Muslims caused the Black Death? Are you suggesting they did such in an intentional manner?
 
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