Boycott butterball turkeys!

[gsvol]

:hi:

Just finished revises my third and final term paper for this semester and am imbibing some delicious port. Figured youtube video watching was in hand.

What degree are you pursueing if I may ask?

Wrong.



Don't chew too much.

Then what was the first bacteriological warfare event?

Are you saying you eat a lot of soup or are you telling me how to eat?

Are you implying that Muslims caused the Black Death? Are you suggesting they did such in an intentional manner?

This from the US Center for Disease Control:

Biological Warfare at the 1346 Siege of Caffa - Vol. 8 No. 9 - September 2002 - Emerging Infectious Disease journal - CDC

On the basis of a 14th-century account by the Genoese Gabriele de’ Mussi, the Black Death is widely believed to have reached Europe from the Crimea as the result of a biological warfare attack.
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Historians generally agree that the outbreak moved west out of the steppes north of the Black and Caspian Seas, and its spread through Europe and the Middle East is fairly well documented.
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In 1343 the Mongols under Janibeg (who succeeded Özbeg in 1340) besieged Caffa and the Italian enclave at Tana (12), following a brawl between Italians and Muslims in Tana. The Italian merchants in Tana fled to Caffa (which, by virtue of its location directly on the coast, maintained maritime access despite the siege). The siege of Caffa lasted until February 1344, when it was lifted after an Italian relief force killed 15,000 Mongol troops and destroyed their siege machines (21). Janibeg renewed the siege in 1345 but was again forced to lift it after a year, this time by an epidemic of plague that devastated his forces.
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“…In 1346, in the countries of the East, countless numbers of Tartars and Saracens were struck down by a mysterious illness which brought sudden death. Within these countries broad regions, far-spreading provinces, magnificent kingdoms, cities, towns and settlements, ground down by illness and devoured by dreadful death, were soon stripped of their inhabitants.
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But behold, the whole army was affected by a disease which overran the Tartars and killed thousands upon thousands every day.
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“The dying Tartars, stunned and stupefied by the immensity of the disaster brought about by the disease, and realizing that they had no hope of escape, lost interest in the siege. But they ordered corpses to be placed in catapults1 and lobbed into the city in the hope that the intolerable stench would kill everyone inside.2 What seemed like mountains of dead were thrown into the city, and the Christians could not hide or flee or escape from them, although they dumped as many of the bodies as they could in the sea. And soon the rotting corpses tainted the air and poisoned the water supply, and the stench was so overwhelming that hardly one in several thousand was in a position to flee the remains of the Tartar army. Moreover one infected man could carry the poison to others, and infect people and places with the disease by look alone. No one knew, or could discover, a means of defense.

No one knew, or could discover, a means of defense.
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“…As it happened, among those who escaped from Caffa by boat were a few sailors who had been infected with the poisonous disease. Some boats were bound for Genoa, others went to Venice and to other Christian areas. When the sailors reached these places and mixed with the people there, it was as if they had brought evil spirits with them: every city, every settlement, every place was poisoned by the contagious pestilence, and their inhabitants, both men and women, died suddenly. And when one person had contracted the illness, he poisoned his whole family even as he fell and died, so that those preparing to bury his body were seized by death in the same way. Thus death entered through the windows, and as cities and towns were depopulated their inhabitants mourned their dead neighbours.” (Reproduced with permission from Horrox, pp. 16–20 [4])
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Thus it seems plausible that the events recounted by de’ Mussi could have been an effective means of transmission of plague into the city. The alternative, rodent-to-rodent transmission from the Mongol encampments into the city, is less likely. Besieging forces must have camped at least a kilometer away from the city walls.
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There has never been any doubt that plague entered the Mediterranean from the Crimea, following established maritime trade routes.
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Despite its historical unimportance, the siege of Caffa is a powerful reminder of the horrific consequences when disease is successfully used as a weapon.

Tell me what you think.

 

[therealUT]

What degree are you pursueing if I may ask?

Grad degrees in Philosophy

Then what was the first bacteriological warfare event?

I could not tell you the first; I can only tell you that both Herodotus and Thucydides speak of wars and battles where bacteria was used as weapons.

Are you saying you eat a lot of soup or are you telling me how to eat?

You'll figure it out.

 

[gsvol]

Grad degrees in Philosophy

I used to mentor a guy who was working on his PHD in Philosophy while holding a teaching position.

One time he came into a tavern and took a barstool two stools down from me and asked a philosophical question and I thought and gave an answer.

The guy between us who was a big brawney, bruiser sort of looking guy, turned to me and petulantly ask me if I thought I knew a lot about philosophy and I answered; 'well I know enough about philosophy to keep myself reasonably happy.'

He got up off his stool and I didn't know if he was going to throw down on me or what but he stuck out his hand in greeting and said; 'that's the best answer I've ever gotten to that question.'

I could not tell you the first; I can only tell you that both Herodotus and Thucydides speak of wars and battles where bacteria was used as weapons.

Would you care to elaborate on that?

What bacterias?

I don't remember hearing what Herodotus and Thuscdides had to say on that topic.

We do know that the moslems gave a great kick off to the great European plague, it may have happened anyway, that's debatable, but still, the moslems aided and abetted it on purpose and it originated in their own territory.

You'll figure it out.

You don't eat pork?

More on the squelching of the criticism of islam.

US Government to apply peer pressure to your Islamophobia « The Greenroom

Back in July, at a conference of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) in Istanbul, Clinton pledged that the US would take action against “religious intolerance” in America.
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This is not a laughing matter; the 20th century was a vast, vicious playground for exactly such measures of control over the intellectual lives of peoples and societies. The criticism we should be leveling here is not against “Islam” or “Muslims,” it is against our own government, and the factions of our own, Western/American political spectrum that conceive of government as a method of administering anti-phobia measures.
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Judaism and Christianity are, along with Western philosophy, the progenitors of that idea of liberty. The positive, absolute good of liberty is what we must proclaim and defend. And in our nation, on our terms, Islam has the opportunity to thrive as Judaism and Christianity have, by being consistent with it. It cannot be the other way around.

Religious Tolerance Resolution Backed by Obama Administration Aligns With Islamic Bloc

The head of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) has acknowledged that a U.N. religious tolerance resolution heavily promoted by the Obama administration has the same aims as the Islamic bloc’s annual “religious defamation” resolutions, which Western democracies have consistently opposed for more than a decade.

The State Department this week hosted three days of talks with foreign governments and international organizations, including the OIC, on implementing “resolution 16/18,” a measure adopted “by consensus” – without a vote – at the U.N. Human Rights Council last March and set to be endorsed by the full U.N. General Assembly within days.

The resolution, formally entitled “combating intolerance, negative stereotyping and stigmatization of, and discrimination, incitement to violence and violence against persons based on religion or belief,” has been championed by the administration – and some human rights advocacy groups – as a historic achievement, in that it supposedly seeks a balance between freedom of religion and freedom of expression.

It was hailed as a shift away from earlier “defamation of Islam” (later changed to “defamation of religion”) resolutions introduced by the OIC, and duly voted through each year at both the Human Rights Council and the General Assembly – in recent years, by steadily smaller margins.
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In the view of veteran international religious liberty analyst and advocate Elizabeth Kendal resolution 16/18, “far from being a breakthrough for free speech … is actually more dangerous than” the religious defamation resolutions.

“Indeed, the strategic shift from defamation to incitement actually advances the OIC’s primary goal: the criminalization of criticism of Islam,” she wrote.

“For, in Resolution 16/18, the OIC has deliberately and strategically adopted the language of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights Article 20.2, which mandates: any advocacy of hatred that ‘constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.’”

The ICCPR, which came into force in 1976, is legally binding on those countries that have ratified it.

The United States ratified it in 1992, although with a declared reservation that “article 20 does not authorize or require legislation or other action by the United States that would restrict the right of free speech and association protected by the Constitution and laws of the United States.”

Heroes of Free Speech: Firebombed French paper reprints Muhammad cartoon that got it bombed - Atlas Shrugs

A French satirical weekly whose office was fire bombed after it printed a cartoon of the Prophet Mohammad has reproduced the image with other caricatures in a special supplement distributed with one of the country's leading newspapers.

This is exactly the thing that must be done. The sanction of the prohibition of anything that a barbaric, inhumane ideology deems unacceptable is civilizational suicide and stupefying stupidity.