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Are some people actually arguing that Bruce Pearl is a better recruiter than Cuonzo Martin? That's a joke, right?
 
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Wow, I come back to this thread 12 hours later, and my how the topic has changed =)

I will support Cuonzo as long as he is coaching the orange and white, so this thread shouldn't be seen as an indictment of Cuonzo.

That being said, I prefer Bruce. He took what was an absolute football culture, even with the status of the football program at the time, and was able to create a basketball culture. Bruce was able to produce teams that gave Tennessee fans something to cheer for when the football team didn't.

You can all have your own opinions about whether or not he would be welcomed back, if he should, if it's a possibility, if he's scum, good analyst, etc... The one thing you cannot argue against is the culture change he was the catalyst of around here, and the good times he provided for our aching Tennessee Athletics pride. He provided our best tournament run ever in the history of the program, and made our program relevant.

I don't care if he never coaches here again, but whenever I think of Tennessee Basketball, 2 names come to mind: Chris Lofton and Bruce Pearl. Bruce will always be the person who is responsible for the culture change and revitalization of our beloved Hoops team.
 
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During his six year tenure with Tennessee, Bruce missed on recruits such as Duke Crews, Marques Johnson, Ramar Smith, Tony Passley, Phillip Jurick, and Daniel West. These are just the players that he recruited that never finished their careers with Tennessee. More often than not, the players he recruited in high school never really panned out or fit into his system at all.
 
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TennesseeFan07 said:
During his six year tenure with Tennessee, Bruce missed on recruits such as Duke Crews, Marques Johnson, Ramar Smith, Tony Passley, Phillip Jurick, and Daniel West. These are just the players that he recruited that never finished their careers with Tennessee. More often than not, the players he recruited in high school never really panned out or fit into his system at all.
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Ramar Smith was the biggest 5 star joke I've ever seen. Couldn't hit a jump shot to save his life. But he was pretty good with drugs and guns.
 
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TennesseeFan07 said:
Are some people actually arguing that Bruce Pearl is a better recruiter than Cuonzo Martin? That's a joke, right?
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So it's not even a conversation? You're saying it's not close? For all those bums you just named (and I admit, there were a lot of them), there were plenty of good ones.

Wayne Chism (a true Vol great and my personal favorite, save Lofton)
Cam Tatum and Brian Williams (some liked 'em, some didn't; they contributed though)
Scotty Hopson (good player with unfair expectations)
Tobias Harris (NBA pick)
Trae Golden (our second best player last year)
Jordan McRae (maybe our best player this year, definitely our best scorer)

And I haven't even gotten to the transfers!

Bobby Maze (yessir)
JP Prince (yup)
Tyler Smith (hell yes; complete basketball player, he was awesome)
Jeronne Maymon (our best player last year)
Melvin Goins (meh; average player, had some nice moments)

(I'd also argue that Ramar Smith, even with his lack of shooting, was a solid player and gave us 2 pretty good years at the point guard position. You must admit, he'd be nice to have right now.)

Now a lot of these players have blossomed under CCM where they didn't under CBP (or just didn't get a chance), namely Maymon, McRae, and Golden. I acknowledge that, but we're talking about recruiting here. Pearl did it, and did it well in my opinion. Maybe he wasn't better at recruiting than Martin (I actually think he was), but don't act like it isn't at least close. Even if you take out the guys who got in trouble (Tyler, Ramar, Cam, Goins, and Brian Williams), that's still a very nice set of players right there.
 
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volbeast33 said:
His borderline top 25 class is a stud in Hubbs I am overwhelmingly happy about, a definite project but with potential who I kind of like too, and a PG who is shooting in the 20 % range and less than 50% from the foul line, surely we could have found a better PG than that.

2014 may turn out to be an amazing class but right now it's just hope and wishes.
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This logic is like when someone says yes he had 189 yards rushing, but take away the 2 79 yard rushes and....

IT STILL COUNTS

The class is top 25, nothing else needs to be said. The scouts won't put you top 25 on just one commit, so obviously they felt the 3 commits were worthy of top 25.
 
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utfan72408 said:
So it's not even a conversation? You're saying it's not close? For all those bums you just named (and I admit, there were a lot of them), there were plenty of good ones.

Wayne Chism (a true Vol great and my personal favorite, save Lofton) He overachieved, I'll give you that.
Cam Tatum and Brian Williams (some liked 'em, some didn't; they contributed though) Tatum was average. Williams was average, but ended up getting suspended multiple times.
Scotty Hopson (good player with unfair expectations)
Tobias Harris (NBA pick) Anytime a top 10 pick struggles during a three year career, some of that blame has to be placed on the coaching staff.
Trae Golden (our second best player last year) Trae Golden didn't see the court nearly as much with Pearl as he has with Cuonzo.
Jordan McRae (maybe our best player this year, definitely our best scorer) He didn't play much under Pearl either.

And I haven't even gotten to the transfers! That's why I said Pearl never recruited high school players well.

Bobby Maze (yessir)
JP Prince (yup)
Tyler Smith (hell yes; complete basketball player, he was awesome)
Jeronne Maymon (our best player last year) Maymon didn't do anything under Pearl. Bruce didn't have a clue about utilizing him to his abilities.
Melvin Goins (meh; average player, had some nice moments)

(I'd also argue that Ramar Smith, even with his lack of shooting, was a solid player and gave us 2 pretty good years at the point guard position. You must admit, he'd be nice to have right now.)

Now a lot of these players have blossomed under CCM where they didn't under CBP (or just didn't get a chance), namely Maymon, McRae, and Golden. I acknowledge that, but we're talking about recruiting here. Pearl did it, and did it well in my opinion. Maybe he wasn't better at recruiting than Martin (I actually think he was), but don't act like it isn't at least close. Even if you take out the guys who got in trouble (Tyler, Ramar, Cam, Goins, and Brian Williams), that's still a very nice set of players right there.
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I'm not giving Bruce Pearl credit for taking chances on incoming transfers. The only two that he didn't have to take a significant chance on academically were JP Prince and Tyler Smith. Heck, he even went behind Billy's back a few times to get Smith.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
This logic is like when someone says yes he had 189 yards rushing, but take away the 2 79 yard rushes and....

IT STILL COUNTS

The class is top 25, nothing else needs to be said. The scouts won't put you top 25 on just one commit, so obviously they felt the 3 commits were worthy of top 25.
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Yes they will too...the team rankings is done on a point based system.....Hubbs is rated very high and he brings up the rest of the class.....I'm not overly worried about where we rank as a class, I want him to bring in solid players and he has struggled to do that.
 
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TennesseeFan07 said:
I'm not giving Bruce Pearl credit for taking chances on incoming transfers. The only two that he didn't have to take a significant chance on academically were JP Prince and Tyler Smith. Heck, he even went behind Billy's back a few times to get Smith.
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As far as Prince and Smith go, right place right time IMO.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Yes they will too...the team rankings is done on a point based system.....Hubbs is rated very high and he brings up the rest of the class.....I'm not overly worried about where we rank as a class, I want him to bring in solid players and he has struggled to do that.
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The last sentence is false, but whatever.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Yes they will too...the team rankings is done on a point based system.....Hubbs is rated very high and he brings up the rest of the class.....I'm not overly worried about where we rank as a class, I want him to bring in solid players and he has struggled to do that.
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No they won't. if we had JUST Hubbs we would be ranked in the top 25? No.
 
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So far as far as being solid, i would say martin has brought in two players, stokes and richardson.(not counting next year class). Reese? I don't know, some are enamored with him but i have yet to see why. He was not a sought after recruit. And is shooting 30 percent so far. He did just come back from injury so jury is still out on him. Armani moore has shown nothing, decent yesterday but nothing other than that. Q will probably be told to look else where after this year, as washpun was.

He has yet to recruit a point guard. I know he has landry coming next year, but he is shooting 22 percent in high school. 22 percent!! 0 from 3. Let that sink in. And you think the guys we have now can't shoot. At this level you at least have to make people guard you, which teams won't if he can't improve on that.
 
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