Brad Stevens

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JokermanVol said:
that was in response to the poster above me who would approve of paying a guy whatever it takes to coach a sport that loses money.
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UT is one of only like 9 or so programs that makes money on basketball according to a report that came out earlier this year actually
 
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tigervol9802 said:
I like winning. Sometimes winning costs money.
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oh yeah, if schools wants to win in these non-revenue sports they have to pay their coaches irregardless if they're making money in that sport, but not whatever it takes to get some supposed great coach.
 
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JokermanVol said:
oh yeah, if schools wants to win in these non-revenue sports they have to pay their coaches irregardless if they're making money in that sport, but not whatever it takes to get some supposed great coach.
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I refuse to accept that mindset. It only leads to medicroacy.
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If Butler would've lost in one of first two tourney games, which could have easily been losses? Some were saying Butler may not have got in at all without winning conf tourney.
Thoughts?
My first choice out of the names brought up so far is L Frank, hands down. He may not know the NCAA rule book inside-out but he can dang sure hire some stud assistants who do. I would think kids would also be jumping at the opportunity to play for a coach with that much NBA experience. JMO.
 
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Neyland2nd2none said:
If Butler would've lost in one of first two tourney games, which could have easily been losses? Some were saying Butler may not have got in at all without winning conf tourney.
Thoughts?
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That's not the point, and it is why you see a lot of people cringe when guys like Shaka Smart are mentioned solely on the strength of one tourney run.

Basketball is a funny game. You have one off shooting night, or get one opponent who is on fire, or one flaky official, and a strong team goes down to a weak team. Damned near every great coach--Self, Pitino, Williams, Izzo, K--has had an early round flame out with a superior team. It happens.

The point is to put a team together that is capable of making a deep tourney run and then have them playing well in March. All the names I listed have proven they can do that repeatedly. And once you take the legendary unavailable coaches off the list, Stevens is the closest thing to a guy who has proven he can do the same thing.
 
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Neyland2nd2none said:
If Butler would've lost in one of first two tourney games, which could have easily been losses? Some were saying Butler may not have got in at all without winning conf tourney.
Thoughts?
My first choice out of the names brought up so far is L Frank, hands down. He may not know the NCAA rule book inside-out but he can dang sure hire some stud assistants who do. I would think kids would also be jumping at the opportunity to play for a coach with that much NBA experience. JMO.
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Actually, I have been actively rooting against Butler every single game, just because I thought it would give us a better chance to land Stevens. Look at that man's overall record. It is not about March 2011, although that certainly doesn't hurt his case, though it does hurt our chances.
 
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If Butler would've lost one of first two tourney games? Both games were very close & could have easily been losses. Some experts were saying that Butler may not have got in if they didn't win conf tourney.
My choice, of the coaches who have been mentioned thus far, would be L Frank. Hands down. He may not know NCAA rules as well but he can easily hire stud assistants who do. I would also think prospects would be jumping at the opportunity to play for a coach with so much NBA experience. Doesn't hurt he has UT ties either. JMO.
Thoughts?
I'll hang up & listen...
 
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IMO Stevens is not the promised land. If we make a run and throw in everything to get him, then again, IMO, we won't get much of what we want in the contract , like a large buyout, guarantees, etc.

Thus what happens should NC, Duke, IU, etc. come open in two years and he bolts.

IMO that would create the same kind of meltdown we had when CLK left. I'm not saying that CBS has the same issues, but that if he doesn't view this as a destination job we better view him as a short term rather than long term strategy.
 
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Neyland, kids do not eagerly jump to go play with a guy who is much more accomplished as a former NBA head coach and who had a much better personality in Tim Floyd.
 
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I agree with Verc though that
1. Derek Dooley who was brought in at the worst possible time and who was not the first choice should have nothing to do with the salary we offer our top bball prospective coach
2. We should structure the contract so that we are looking for a Brad Stevens to stay here for the rest of his career.
3. We should be willing to pay more than 3 million per year.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
I agree with Verc though that
1. Derek Dooley who was brought in at the worst possible time and who was not the first choice should have nothing to do with the salary we offer our top bball prospective coach
2. We should structure the contract so that we are looking for a Brad Stevens to stay here for the rest of his career.
3. We should be willing to pay more than 3 million per year.
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3 will never happen.
 
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cotton said:
That's not the point, and it is why you see a lot of people cringe when guys like Shaka Smart are mentioned solely on the strength of one tourney run.

Basketball is a funny game. You have one off shooting night, or get one opponent who is on fire, or one flaky official, and a strong team goes down to a weak team. Damned near every great coach--Self, Pitino, Williams, Izzo, K--has had an early round flame out with a superior team. It happens.

The point is to put a team together that is capable of making a deep tourney run and then have them playing well in March. All the names I listed have proven they can do that repeatedly. And once you take the legendary unavailable coaches off the list, Stevens is the closest thing to a guy who has proven he can do the same thing.
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Hard to know exactly how much of Butler's recent success is Stevens and how much might be something else. The past 2 years have been extraordinary, but it's often a mistake to assume the extraordinary will be the norm. As a statistician would say "correlation does not guarantee causality". Could be that Butler's success is because Stevens is a phenomenal coach, but it might just as easily be because he's lucked into a phenomenal group of players who just really, really click as a team. You can't count on players always developing physically as Hayward did, you can't always count on mid level prospects developing beyond their apparent potential no matter how well they're coached, and Howard is a once in a blue moon recruit for Butler. For every Lofton, there's 20 Tabb's. I wouldn't turn Stevens down, but I think the jury might still be out.
 
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If UT can get Brad Stevens Ill be on board all the way to the championship???????. Butler just beat Fla because of the coaching of Brad Stevens. I just don't think he will come to UT. If he does :good!::p:):):)man
 
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treedogvol said:
If UT can get Brad Stevens Ill be on board all the way to the championship???????. Butler just beat Fla because of the coaching of Brad Stevens. I just don't think he will come to UT. If he does :good!::p:):):)man
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doesn't matter how many smiley faces you put at the end of your post... Stevens is not coming to TN.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
I agree with Verc though that
1. Derek Dooley who was brought in at the worst possible time and who was not the first choice should have nothing to do with the salary we offer our top bball prospective coach
2. We should structure the contract so that we are looking for a Brad Stevens to stay here for the rest of his career.
3. We should be willing to pay more than 3 million per year.
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zehr27 said:
3 will never happen.
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Thank god someone around here is realistic.
 
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Stevens has pretty well punched his ticket to anywhere he wants to go. If Roy Williams retires, he'll be at UNC, if it's Calhoun, UConn will be calling him.He's the hottest coach in th ecountry. he can go anywhere he wants. He is definetly the top of my list, but no one is seeming to take it seriously, including myself. I'd at least wait til' the tournament is over and give him a call, it doesn't have to come out, just a call. No matter what, we can pay him 3.3 mil-3.7mil. at least offer it.
 
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lego126 said:
Stevens has pretty well punched his ticket to anywhere he wants to go. If Roy Williams retires, he'll be at UNC, if it's Calhoun, UConn will be calling him.. he can go anywhere he wants. He is definetly the top of my list, but no one is seeming to take it seriously. I'd at least wait til' the tournament is over and give him a call, it doesn't have to come out, just a call.
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UCONN is nowhere on the same level as the UNC job. After Calhoun finally gets forced out by the NCAA, that program will tank.
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mcdoug said:
Hard to know exactly how much of Butler's recent success is Stevens and how much might be something else. The past 2 years have been extraordinary, but it's often a mistake to assume the extraordinary will be the norm. As a statistician would say "correlation does not guarantee causality". Could be that Butler's success is because Stevens is a phenomenal coach, but it might just as easily be because he's lucked into a phenomenal group of players who just really, really click as a team. You can't count on players always developing physically as Hayward did, you can't always count on mid level prospects developing beyond their apparent potential no matter how well they're coached, and Howard is a once in a blue moon recruit for Butler. For every Lofton, there's 20 Tabb's. I wouldn't turn Stevens down, but I think the jury might still be out.
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The guy is averaging a 29-6 season and has taken his mid-major program to the tournament in each of his 4 years. He has won his conference every year. He has now reached 2 final fours. I'm not sure what else you would ask a coach to do before returning a verdict.
 
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