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lawgator1 said:
He was ousted for purposes of the general election embarrassment factor, but he spoke the truth as far as the Evangelical wing is concerned

Polls of such voters repeatedly demonstrate a significant disdain for the Mormon religion, and also further show that it is a meaningful thing to such voters.
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I continue to be amazed at how many times you complain about some group being bigoted only to include complete blanket statements against a group.

If you look at the polls you quote then you'll see the SOME evangelicals have this view - guess what that means? SOME DON'T yet you paint the entire group. See where I'm going with this?
 
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volinbham said:
I continue to be amazed at how many times you complain about some group being bigoted only to include complete blanket statements against a group.

If you look at the polls you quote then you'll see the SOME evangelicals have this view - guess what that means? SOME DON'T yet you paint the entire group. See where I'm going with this?
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I did not mean all. It is, however, more than half and it is an issue in the primary.


Source: Pew research poll
Link: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...h-a-factor-in-primaries-not-general-election/
 
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lawgator1 said:
I did not mean all. It is, however, more than half and it is an issue in the primary.


Source: Pew research poll
Link: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...h-a-factor-in-primaries-not-general-election/
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But you continually imply all.

You've done this with TPs, Republicans in general, Evangelicals and a few other groups I don't recall. Each time the blanket statement is negative about the group. That is the definition of bigotry.

You jumped all over a poster for saying a particular black woman (with all those kids) voted for Obama. Since 90+% of blacks did vote for Obama it seems odds are good he was right but he was wrong because he made assumptions based on skin color. To say Evangelicals view Mormonism as a cult fails to recognized that about 1/2 do not and of the other 1/2 the survey said they do not view them as Christian - not that they viewed them as a cult.
 
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lawgator1 said:
His campaign manager in Iowa called Mormonism a cult and has resigned.

Cannot imagine why people view the GOP as closed minded and bigoted.
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"I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.”

— Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944,

And this guy was still serving in your party in 2010.
 
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theFallGuy said:
"I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.”

— Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944,

And this guy was still serving in your party in 2010.
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He apologized for the lynchings and hangings, and if he a chance to do it all over again.....
 
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NEOCON said:
Is south park closed minded?

Because last time I checked they hit the nail on the head with the Mormom beliefs and those guys are freaking liberals.
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No they aren't.

I don't think they called Mormonism a cult, and if you asked they would probably tell you that all religions are cults.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Ill go ahead with the patent lg response, dixie crats of that era were conservative republicans
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Of course they were. Any Democrat who was ever racist was obviously a mole. In fact, Lincoln was just a Democratic mole in the Republican party. Same goes for Ike (who introduced the first major CR legislation), and all those republicans (who voted for the CRA at a higher rate than the Dems who were moles) were moles too.
 
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nbakerld said:
Of course they were. Any Democrat who was ever racist was obviously a mole. In fact, Lincoln was just a Democratic mole in the Republican party. Same goes for Ike (who introduced the first major CR legislation), and all those republicans (who voted for the CRA at a higher rate than the Dems who were moles) were moles too.
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exactly
 
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Said it once, will say it again. Mormonism is just Christianity plus some more really outlandish ideas.
 
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rjd970 said:
Said it once, will say it again. Mormonism is just Christianity plus some more really outlandish ideas.
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Operative word is "more". I don't understand how Protestants think Mormons, Buddhists, or anybody else has "weird" or outlandish beliefs. They don't see how "weird" their own beliefs are to outsiders.
 
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nbakerld said:
They don't see how "weird" their own beliefs are to outsiders.
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I believe you made this point earlier. Every religion is a little odd to the religion's non-subscribers. Catholicism is pretty mainstream, but it's hard to leave mass at the Vatican as a non-Catholic without thinking that it seemed cultish.
 
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dreVol said:
I believe you made this point earlier. Every religion is a little odd to the religion's non-subscribers. Catholicism is pretty mainstream, but it's hard to leave mass at the Vatican as a non-Catholic without thinking that it seemed cultish.
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Exactly. You go to the Mormon church and the members give testimony and that seems cultish. Just the fact that most Christians believe non-believers go to hell is cultish. Pentecostals running around the church and dancing seems cultish. Etc.

And yes, I'm a broken record. I'll make the same points many times.
 
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Nuances aside, this issue of course resides at the bottom of a lot of why there is such a demand within the GOP for the anti-Romney candidate. Sure, a lot of the far right dislikes him as not conservative enough, or inconsistent in policy matters. But the polls show that his Mormon faith IS a reason they would vote against him in the primary and this is not an insignificant issue.

Those of you who dislike him because he's moderate or otherwise not your cup of tea on policy, that's great. But you need to take a look at some of your party brethren (and we aren't talking about just a few percentage points here) and ask what can be done to eliminate religious bigotry like this.
 
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lawgator1 said:
But you need to take a look at some of your party brethren (and we aren't talking about just a few percentage points here) and ask what can be done to eliminate religious bigotry like this.
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Why not look at your party and start there - look at how many in your party mock people for being Evangelical or even Christian in general. We see it constantly throughout threads like this.

If you are making derogatory comments about someone or a group because of their religious beliefs then you practicing religious bigotry - yes even if Christians are your target.
 
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volinbham said:
Why not look at your party and start there - look at how many in your party mock people for being Evangelical or even Christian in general. We see it constantly throughout threads like this.

If you are making derogatory comments about someone or a group because of their religious beliefs then you practicing religious bigotry - yes even if Christians are your target.
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I DO mock Christians who take it upon themselves to judge others' belief systems based solely on their own religious dogma, yes.

Now, it just so happens that such practice is going to be more prevalent in the Democratic or liberal tradition because they rely for their own belief systems more on science and reason, rather than faith.

That does not mean anyone is saying there is anything wrong with faith. Well, actually, I would admit that for some people it does if they have absolutely no faith of their own.

But, it is in my view a major tenet of Christianity not to be bigoted against others' religious views. It is also, in my view, a major tenet of pluralistic representative government thinking and philosophy that one does not exclude from government service or running for office someone based on their religious point of view.

And so , yes, you are damn right when I perceive the GOP Evangelical right, who we all know has a huge voice in these earlier primaries, criticizing, rejecting, mocking, etc., a major candidate for office based on religious views. I will, 100 % of the time, call them out for their backasswards thinking, their hillbilly bullshiite demagoguery, etc.

Why? Simple., Because I am smart and they are ignorant jackarses. They SHOULD be called out for their inane prejudices. Indeed, my point a few above was that it ought to be right thinking folks like yourselves who should be leading the charge to oust from your intellectual ranks the mouth breathers who think Romney is in a cult.

If you won't do it, then I will mock you, too, as having no courage to stand up for what is right under the Constitution of the US of A.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I DO mock Christians who take it upon themselves to judge others' belief systems based solely on their own religious dogma, yes.

Now, it just so happens that such practice is going to be more prevalent in the Democratic or liberal tradition because they rely for their own belief systems more on science and reason, rather than faith.

That does not mean anyone is saying there is anything wrong with faith. Well, actually, I would admit that for some people it does if they have absolutely no faith of their own.

But, it is in my view a major tenet of Christianity not to be bigoted against others' religious views. It is also, in my view, a major tenet of pluralistic representative government thinking and philosophy that one does not exclude from government service or running for office someone based on their religious point of view.
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Strongly disagree. They might be less faithful, but they aren't more scientific or logical. If that were true, Dems wouldn't get smoked so badly in that Economic IQ quiz.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Nuances aside, this issue of course resides at the bottom of a lot of why there is such a demand within the GOP for the anti-Romney candidate. Sure, a lot of the far right dislikes him as not conservative enough, or inconsistent in policy matters. But the polls show that his Mormon faith IS a reason they would vote against him in the primary and this is not an insignificant issue.

Those of you who dislike him because he's moderate or otherwise not your cup of tea on policy, that's great. But you need to take a look at some of your party brethren (and we aren't talking about just a few percentage points here) and ask what can be done to eliminate religious bigotry like this.
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Are you a bigot if you vote against a conservative belief system? A liberal one? A moderate one?

When you cast a ballot, you cast it for something, against something, or a combination of the 2.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I DO mock Christians who take it upon themselves to judge others' belief systems based solely on their own religious dogma, yes.

Now, it just so happens that such practice is going to be more prevalent in the Democratic or liberal tradition because they rely for their own belief systems more on science and reason, rather than faith.

That does not mean anyone is saying there is anything wrong with faith. Well, actually, I would admit that for some people it does if they have absolutely no faith of their own.

But, it is in my view a major tenet of Christianity not to be bigoted against others' religious views. It is also, in my view, a major tenet of pluralistic representative government thinking and philosophy that one does not exclude from government service or running for office someone based on their religious point of view.

And so , yes, you are damn right when I perceive the GOP Evangelical right, who we all know has a huge voice in these earlier primaries, criticizing, rejecting, mocking, etc., a major candidate for office based on religious views. I will, 100 % of the time, call them out for their backasswards thinking, their hillbilly bullshiite demagoguery, etc.

Why? Simple., Because I am smart and they are ignorant jackarses. They SHOULD be called out for their inane prejudices. Indeed, my point a few above was that it ought to be right thinking folks like yourselves who should be leading the charge to oust from your intellectual ranks the mouth breathers who think Romney is in a cult.

If you won't do it, then I will mock you, too, as having no courage to stand up for what is right under the Constitution
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lawgator1 said:
If you won't do it, then I will mock you, too, as having no courage to stand up for what is right under the Constitution of the US of A.
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I believe both the history of the supreme court and the field of Constitutional Law are a testament that everyone interprets the Constitution a little different. Hence, the reason for different political ideologies.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I DO mock Christians who take it upon themselves to judge others' belief systems based solely on their own religious dogma, yes.

Now, it just so happens that such practice is going to be more prevalent in the Democratic or liberal tradition because they rely for their own belief systems more on science and reason, rather than faith.

That does not mean anyone is saying there is anything wrong with faith. Well, actually, I would admit that for some people it does if they have absolutely no faith of their own.

But, it is in my view a major tenet of Christianity not to be bigoted against others' religious views. It is also, in my view, a major tenet of pluralistic representative government thinking and philosophy that one does not exclude from government service or running for office someone based on their religious point of view.

And so , yes, you are damn right when I perceive the GOP Evangelical right, who we all know has a huge voice in these earlier primaries, criticizing, rejecting, mocking, etc., a major candidate for office based on religious views. I will, 100 % of the time, call them out for their backasswards thinking, their hillbilly bullshiite demagoguery, etc.

Why? Simple., Because I am smart and they are ignorant jackarses. They SHOULD be called out for their inane prejudices. Indeed, my point a few above was that it ought to be right thinking folks like yourselves who should be leading the charge to oust from your intellectual ranks the mouth breathers who think Romney is in a cult.

If you won't do it, then I will mock you, too, as having no courage to stand up for what is right under the Constitution of the US of A.
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Wow. What a steaming pile. Let me translate:

I am smart, they (target group) are dumb. I am superior to that generalized group. I am not bigoted because I'm unbiased and use science/reason to counter their uneducated, crazy, dangerous views.

Pick an individual who expresses views and attack them. Generalize to a whole group which you repeatedly do and you are moving into bigotry. Above you make a claim about the religious right - you have no idea what the views held by any individuals within that group are but you condemn the whole group for views inconsistent with yours.
 
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