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nbakerld said:
Strongly disagree. They might be less faithful, but they aren't more scientific or logical. If that were true, Dems wouldn't get smoked so badly in that Economic IQ quiz.
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It's an absurd claim and a classic bigotry claim - my people are smart and intellectual; that other group is dumb.
 
#52
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BeecherVol said:
Are you a bigot if you vote against a conservative belief system? A liberal one? A moderate one?

When you cast a ballot, you cast it for something, against something, or a combination of the 2.
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No, I mean, you should investigate the other side's argument or position at least a little bit. That of course depends on the issue. For example,I don't have to spend a ton of time comparing Mitt Romney's immigration position relative to Gingrich's to know whose I think is more palatable and sensible. I do, on the other hand, have to do some reading and listening before deciding whether I think the payroll tax cut bill should or should not include the pipeline proposal.
 
#53
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volinbham said:
Wow. What a steaming pile. Let me translate:

I am smart, they (target group) are dumb. I am superior to that generalized group. I am not bigoted because I'm unbiased and use science/reason to counter their uneducated, crazy, dangerous views.

Pick an individual who expresses views and attack them. Generalize to a whole group which you repeatedly do and you are moving into bigotry. Above you make a claim about the religious right - you have no idea what the views held by any individuals within that group are but you condemn the whole group for views inconsistent with yours.
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Everyone has irrational or at least poorly founded prejudices. I'm not above typical human frailty in that regard.

But dismissing criticism of the religious right's storied hypocrisy when it comes to religious tolerance as me just being smugly intellectual is comical.
 
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nbakerld said:
Operative word is "more". I don't understand how Protestants think Mormons, Buddhists, or anybody else has "weird" or outlandish beliefs. They don't see how "weird" their own beliefs are to outsiders.
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Agreed.

All religions are weird. Anybody that says Mormons aren't christians don't know what they are talking about. They are very Christian, they just pile more stuff on top of it.
 
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#56
lawgator1 said:
Everyone has irrational or at least poorly founded prejudices. I'm not above typical human frailty in that regard.

But dismissing criticism of the religious right's storied hypocrisy when it comes to religious tolerance as me just being smugly intellectual is comical.
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I'm not saying you are being smugly intellectual. I'm saying you have a pattern of labeling entire groups as being prejuidiced and hence implying members of the groups are bigoted. The point you miss is that such statements themselves are bigoted.

It gets even worse when you defend it by saying your side is the "smart, rational" side. That is classic bigotry (believing your group to be generally superior to another).
 
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volinbham said:
I'm not saying you are being smugly intellectual. I'm saying you have a pattern of labeling entire groups as being prejuidiced and hence implying members of the groups are bigoted. The point you miss is that such statements themselves are bigoted.

It gets even worse when you defend it by saying your side is the "smart, rational" side. That is classic bigotry (believing your group to be generally superior to another).
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Well, I have agreed with you above I think that its not the entire GOP, the entire right wing of the GOP, or even the entire Evangelical part of the GOP.

I think the polling shows it matters in this particular race, however, and more so really than it has in the recent past.

There are other examples -- and its not necessarily GOP versus Democrat. I don't know what the numbers were, but I imagine there were Democrats who didn't like Kennedy because he was Catholic.

Talk about a cult, right?
 
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lawgator1 said:
And so , yes, you are damn right when I perceive the GOP Evangelical right, who we all know has a huge voice in these earlier primaries, criticizing, rejecting, mocking, etc., a major candidate for office based on religious views. I will, 100 % of the time, call them out for their backasswards thinking, their hillbilly bullshiite demagoguery, etc.
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lawgator1 said:
I don't know what the numbers were, but I imagine there were Democrats who didn't like Kennedy because he was Catholic.
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Do you see the difference between these 2 quotes? One labels the entire group then gets pretty nasty about the group. The other says some people may have had a particular view
 
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#60
lawgator1 said:
No, I mean, you should investigate the other side's argument or position at least a little bit. That of course depends on the issue. For example,I don't have to spend a ton of time comparing Mitt Romney's immigration position relative to Gingrich's to know whose I think is more palatable and sensible. I do, on the other hand, have to do some reading and listening before deciding whether I think the payroll tax cut bill should or should not include the pipeline proposal.
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Does it still circle around to bigot if you come to the same conclusion?
 
#61
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volinbham said:
Do you see the difference between these 2 quotes? One labels the entire group then gets pretty nasty about the group. The other says some people may have had a particular view
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I like how you cut out the beginning part of my comment where I expressly agreed with that very distinction.

Well done.
 
#62
#62
lawgator1 said:
I DO mock Christians who take it upon themselves to judge others' belief systems based solely on their own religious dogma, yes.

Now, it just so happens that such practice is going to be more prevalent in the Democratic or liberal tradition because they rely for their own belief systems more on science and reason, rather than faith.

That does not mean anyone is saying there is anything wrong with faith. Well, actually, I would admit that for some people it does if they have absolutely no faith of their own.

But, it is in my view a major tenet of Christianity not to be bigoted against others' religious views. It is also, in my view, a major tenet of pluralistic representative government thinking and philosophy that one does not exclude from government service or running for office someone based on their religious point of view.

And so , yes, you are damn right when I perceive the GOP Evangelical right, who we all know has a huge voice in these earlier primaries, criticizing, rejecting, mocking, etc., a major candidate for office based on religious views. I will, 100 % of the time, call them out for their backasswards thinking, their hillbilly bullshiite demagoguery, etc.

Why? Simple., Because I am smart and they are ignorant jackarses. They SHOULD be called out for their inane prejudices. Indeed, my point a few above was that it ought to be right thinking folks like yourselves who should be leading the charge to oust from your intellectual ranks the mouth breathers who think Romney is in a cult.

If you won't do it, then I will mock you, too, as having no courage to stand up for what is right under the Constitution of the US of A.
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Democrats are full of science and reason? This is the biggest pile of smelly dogshat I've read in months.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I like how you cut out the beginning part of my comment where I expressly agreed with that very distinction.

Well done.
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look at the statement - "I do perceive the Evangelical right". That is a completely unqualified statement about the group.

It be like me first saying "I have a problem with those african americans who..."

Then later say "you are damn right I perceive african americans as..."
 
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theFallGuy said:
Democrats are full of science and reason? This is the biggest pile of smelly dogshat I've read in months.
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Funny too that there are plenty of highly religious democrats who rely directly on their religion for their political values. Somehow they aren't doing it wrong though...
 
#65
#65
None of this matters. Gopher from the Love Boat just endorsed Newt. The election is over.
 
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#66
Gary Busey withdraws Gingrich endorsement - TheHill.com

Actor Gary Busey is withdrawing his endorsement of Newt Gingrich for president.

“It is not time for me to be endorsing anyone at this time! When there are the two final candidates, then I will endorse,” Busey said Wednesday in a statement released through his representative.
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leaves the door open for him to endorse Obama.

cocaine is a helluva drug
 
#67
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volinbham said:
Wow. What a steaming pile. Let me translate:

I am smart, they (target group) are dumb. I am superior to that generalized group. I am not bigoted because I'm unbiased and use science/reason to counter their uneducated, crazy, dangerous views.

Pick an individual who expresses views and attack them. Generalize to a whole group which you repeatedly do and you are moving into bigotry. Above you make a claim about the religious right - you have no idea what the views held by any individuals within that group are but you condemn the whole group for views inconsistent with yours.
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Arrogant ash hole lg is
 
#68
#68
volinbham said:
Because you aren't a religious person? Can you see how a religious person would think it's weird you have such low regard for religion?
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Because they are.

I'm not running around confident that the creator of universe fashioned man out of dust and divine breath in a garden with a talking snake, sent his only son to live as a Jewish carpenter in first century palestine, claiming the garden of eden is somewhere north of I-70 in Missouri, Muhammed ascended to heaven on a winged horse, etc, etc, etc. I don't know, insert your own ludicrous idea for which there is zero evidence or first hand eyewitness accounts for.

You really don't think any of the above beliefs are weird? Why is it that with any other belief in society such claims would be met with a healthy dose of skepticism and thought to be the product of an insane mind...yet because they have religion attached to them, they are afforded some sort of pass.

That is beyond stupid, and yes, these beliefs meet the very definition of weird.
 
#69
#69
When I was religious, I felt like all religions were weird, and it didn't bother me for outsiders to say so. People tend to be a little more sensitive than I am, so maybe I should be more careful about calling it "weird".
 
#71
#71
nbakerld said:
When I was religious, I felt like all religions were weird, and it didn't bother me for outsiders to say so. People tend to be a little more sensitive than I am, so maybe I should be more careful about calling it "weird".
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Why?

People believe what they want, that is fine. Bama fans may think I am weird for liking the Vols. So what. Does it matter, or should it be different because it is religion, and why?
 
#72
#72
rjd970 said:
Why?

People believe what they want, that is fine. Bama fans may think I am weird for liking the Vols. So what. Does it matter, or should it be different because it is religion, and why?
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Because I care about whether or not I hurt other people's feelings.

I'm not talking about what I say here on VN so much as what I say around friends and family.
 
#73
#73
nbakerld said:
Because I care about whether or not I hurt other people's feelings.

I'm not talking about what I say here on VN so much as what I say around friends and family.
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Do you do the same when you debate politics, or college football?

Why does religion have to be any different? People are passionate about lots of things.
 
#74
#74
rjd970 said:
Do you do the same when you debate politics, or college football?

Why does religion have to be any different? People are passionate about lots of things.
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I'm a lot more careful when I talk about politics with people than I am with religion, for sure.
 
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