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#26
#26
No answer

Ok, one answer out of 5 and even that one doesn't explain a difference in Bush and McCain.
the question posed deserves no answer, but I provided a couple.

How is my comment that the two couldn't be further apart on social issues not an answer, pray tell?

Can you reason through why one of the men is considered a moderate to liberal pol, while the other is considered a neocon? That answer should help you with why you're question warrants no reasonable responses.
 
#27
#27
I admire McCain for that. I hope people don't think I dismiss his service to our country simply because I disagree with him on issues.
which issues? appears to me that you don't enough about the man's positions to differentiate him from Bush.
 
#33
#33
the question posed deserves no answer, but I provided a couple.

How is my comment that the two couldn't be further apart on social issues not an answer, pray tell?

Can you reason through why one of the men is considered a moderate to liberal pol, while the other is considered a neocon? That answer should help you with why you're question warrants no reasonable responses.

So now Bush is considered a neocon when it's convenient for this discussion. I have heard over and over on this board how we should be so lucky to have Bush, as Democrats, because he is no conservative. Now he is considered a neocon? On social issues, were is the difference on gay marriage, abortion, affirmative action.....etc.?
 
#34
#34
So now Bush is considered a neocon when it's convenient for this discussion. I have heard over and over on this board how we should be so lucky to have Bush, as Democrats, because he is no conservative. Now he is considered a neocon? On social issues, were is the difference on gay marriage, abortion, affirmative action.....etc.?

For starters...stem cells...
 
#35
#35
So now Bush is considered a neocon when it's convenient for this discussion. I have heard over and over on this board how we should be so lucky to have Bush, as Democrats, because he is no conservative. Now he is considered a neocon? On social issues, were is the difference on gay marriage, abortion, affirmative action.....etc.?
please stick to relevant info. The disappointment from the R side is the fact that Bush has been a neocon in everything BUT spending and big government, which is THE place we most want a neocon. In all other matters, social and international, he has been a neocon. I'd forgive him all the other gaffes if he'd shown some fiscal restraint during the period when he had free reign due to the overly sympathetic congress.
 
#36
#36
Some select differences:

stem cells
role of tax cuts as primary economic policy
strategy in Iraq
action on excessive spending
position and proposals on climate change

As BPV has suggested - the two candidates favor different strategies in many areas.

The charge of a 3rd Bush term is particularly ironic coming from Obama because:

1. He claims to be a new style politician who is above such things and

2. As AV123 points out, he strongly suggests that guilt by association is not appropriate and is evidence of old style politics
 
#37
#37
please stick to relevant info. The disappointment from the R side is the fact that Bush has been a neocon in everything BUT spending and big government, which is THE place we most want a neocon. In all other matters, social and international, he has been a neocon. I'd forgive him all the other gaffes if he'd shown some fiscal restraint during the period when he had free reign due to the overly sympathetic congress.

Hey, I understand, hopefully we can agree to disagree. I'm not the best debater in the world but I get in here and try sometimes. It's funny, Bush is the target for a lot of Dems but on a personal level he seems to be a pretty nice guy.
 
#38
#38
Hey, I understand, hopefully we can agree to disagree. I'm not the best debater in the world but I get in here and try sometimes. It's funny, Bush is the target for a lot of Dems but on a personal level he seems to be a pretty nice guy.
he has been a complete disaster to the R cause going forward.
 
#39
#39
Some select differences:

stem cells
role of tax cuts as primary economic policy
strategy in Iraq
action on excessive spending
position and proposals on climate change

As BPV has suggested - the two candidates favor different strategies in many areas.

The charge of a 3rd Bush term is particularly ironic coming from Obama because:

1. He claims to be a new style politician who is above such things and

2. As AV123 points out, he strongly suggests that guilt by association is not appropriate and is evidence of old style politics


Good post. Are there really any new style politicians that exist? They all seem to revert back to the old bag of tricks as soon as they need them.
 
#40
#40
Are there really any new style politicians that exist? They all seem to revert back to the old bag of tricks as soon as they need them.

You and I know that but many Obama supporters claim this as their primary reason of being for him. It's a myth.
 
#41
#41
he has been a complete disaster to the R cause going forward.

It seems that both parties have a power control lifespan of 8 years until they hand it over. I wonder why one party can't take control and run with it?
 
#43
#43
Damn 615, you just killed this conversation by being all non-confrontational.

:p

I like to start fires then put them out. :)

Seriously, I realize when I need to step back sometimes and respect other people's opinions.
 
#44
#44
he has been a complete disaster to the R cause going forward.

Or is it because you hate the chest bump?

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#46
#46
How did they blow it? It's June 3rd and the election is in November. I don't think McCain used his time as the nominee leading up until now wisely. He could have put some distance between himself and the Dems and I don't see it. It's almost as if he is waiting for an opponent to start the general election himself.
McCain has been raising money and mending fences with the social conservatives. That is what he did in Nashville yesterday. He is not who they want but they are not stupid enough to think that an Obama presidency will be good for them. The Clintons represented centrist democrats, the old DLC people from the 1990s. Those are the types of Ds who have been doing well in the special congressional elections. Obama represents the leftist/socialist wing. I think a lot of Ds assume that things are so bad that the D will be elected no matter who he/she is, so they have decided to go for the big prize and run a tax and spend liberal. It'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out. Either we'll have four more years of essentially the same thing we've had since the late 1980s. Or we will take away guns and destroy the middle class with crushing taxes so everyone can go to a goverment physician and send their kids to publicly funded pre-K beginning at age 3.
 
#48
#48
It seems that both parties have a power control lifespan of 8 years until they hand it over. I wonder why one party can't take control and run with it?

Because in the end there really is not that much difference between the two. Both promise the world but deliver very little. Soon the public gets sick of the rhetoric and swings back the other direction.
 

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