Breaking: Ricky Gibson to the portal

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brockytop said:
Austin Price on Gibson: “Sometimes it’s not necessarily the kid. It can be the agent, an uncle…”

EXACTLY what I’ve said all along. It’s a different world and some of you need to grasp that very fact.

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From a personal standpoint, I can agree, but the fact remains that it's apparently a package deal and something UT would be dealing with on an ongoing basis. No hard feelings but I'd rather Gibson et al would just move on.
 
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brockytop said:
Austin Price on Gibson: “Sometimes it’s not necessarily the kid. It can be the agent, an uncle…”

EXACTLY what I’ve said all along. It’s a different world and some of you need to grasp that very fact.

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It almost seemed like AP was insinuating that Gibson and his decision makers may not have done their due diligence, by saying that they may not have been aware of the fact that they can’t transfer w/in the conference in the Spring window. So where does that put him? That certainly narrows down his options. By a lot in my estimation.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
It almost seemed like AP was insinuating that Gibson and his decision makers may not have done their due diligence, by saying that they may not have been aware of the fact that they can’t transfer w/in the conference in the Spring window. So where does that put him? That certainly narrows down his options. By a lot in my estimation.
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I would counter with a PWO slot if he strikes out elsewhere.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Say Coach Garner came to Coach Heupel with "I believe I'm underpaid. Last season, I carried you. I know I've still got time on my contract but I'm valuable to this team, I want a raise or I'm moving on."

Coach Garner would be correct. He had a lot to do with our success since he got to Knoxville. Losing him in the Spring would not be good at all for us.

Should Heupel say: You signed a contract and I expect you to honor it or should he renegotiate with Coach Garner because we need him?

If Rickey Gibson is worth it, renegotiate. If he's not, don't. No drama, just business.
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Your example would be relevant if Garner asked for another raise 2 months after receiving it
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
It almost seemed like AP was insinuating that Gibson and his decision makers may not have done their due diligence, by saying that they may not have been aware of the fact that they can’t transfer w/in the conference in the Spring window. So where does that put him? That certainly narrows down his options. By a lot in my estimation.
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Given the WV multi-transfer ruling basically telling the NCAA they can't police transfers, the SEC isn't likely to fight (and certainly won't win) a challenge to the "Winter is fine, but Spring isn't" rule.

Sankey might get pissed at a school breaking the "agreement" between SEC schools but the rule won't last a week if challenged, IMO.
 
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volnbama_ said:
Your example would be relevant if Garner asked for another raise 2 months after receiving it
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If Garner got a better offer after that first raise, why shouldn't he be able to ask UT to match it?

Compensation of employees is based on the market wage and value of that employee to the business, not on when you last got a pay raise.

If the market value goes up a week after your raise and you're extremely valuable to the company, you have every right ask for another raise and you have a responsibility to your family to do the best thing for them.

Which comes first: how well your family does or how well your employer does?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
If Garner got a better offer after that first raise, why shouldn't he be able to ask UT to match it?

Compensation of employees is based on the market wage and value of that employee to the business, not on when you last got a pay raise.

If the market value goes up a week after your raise and you're extremely valuable to the company, you have every right ask for another raise and you have a responsibility to your family to do the best thing for them.

Which comes first: how well your family does or how well your employer does?
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If he signed an agreement with a start and end date it is obvious why! Did he?
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
If he signed an agreement with a start and end date it is obvious why! Did he?
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I'm unsure what you mean. If an employee signs a contract in good faith at the time THEN someone else makes them a better offer, you would hold that they cannot change jobs?

I don't see it like that at all. If the offer came AFTER you negotiated in good faith, you have every right to do what's best for your family.

Saying that, my gut tells me Gibson is leveraging both McCoy's injury (increasing his value) and (unless he's gotten REALLY bad advice) an offer from another school (increasing his wage.) That's at least how it looks on the surface and it's not a good look but more of a cunning leverage move.

Still, business is business.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I'm unsure what you mean. If an employee signs a contract in good faith at the time THEN someone else makes them a better offer, you would hold that they cannot change jobs?

I don't see it like that at all. If the offer came AFTER you negotiated in good faith, you have every right to do what's best for your family.

Saying that, my gut tells me Gibson is leveraging both McCoy's injury (increasing his value) and (unless he's gotten REALLY bad advice) an offer from another school (increasing his wage.) That's at least how it looks on the surface and it's not a good look but more of a cunning leverage move.

Still, business is business.
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Your last sentence is indicative of the state of the world. Business types are taking over all aspects of our life and not for its betterment. For example health care is on a spiraling fall and it can be linked directly to when it became led by MBAs instead of physicians. Money is the motivator and not the general welfare of the industry. That fact is at the base of all the deterioration that is evident today.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
It almost seemed like AP was insinuating that Gibson and his decision makers may not have done their due diligence, by saying that they may not have been aware of the fact that they can’t transfer w/in the conference in the Spring window. So where does that put him? That certainly narrows down his options. By a lot in my estimation.
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So OSU bound?
 
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utchs81 said:
Your last sentence is indicative of the state of the world. Business types are taking over all aspects of our life and not for its betterment. For example health care is on a spiraling fall and it can be linked directly to when it became led by MBAs instead of physicians. Money is the motivator and not the general welfare of the industry. That fact is at the base of all the deterioration that is evident today.
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I'm unsure why you think Rickey Gibson, who will be in college football 4 or 5 years at the most, should consider the general welfare of the industry over his needs.

If Gibson gets hurt, the industry will forget all about him. If Gibson gets cut, the industry will forget all about him. If Gibson hits the portal and goes nowhere, the industry will forget all about him.

But sure, the industry which has chewed up and spit out "that kid who played CB, what was his name, a few years ago......" is what he should care more about than he does himself.
 
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I sincerely hope Ricky does well in his career, but it will likely not be one in which dependability and integrity is an asset. Those are still positive personality traits even in this screwed up world. When an agreement and deal has been reached it should be honored. That is assuredly not happening in this case. If he fails to move ahead in his career, he will have an education and be gainfully employable and will have to work for the 30-40 years that the rest of us do in order to have our retiring nest egg.
 
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utchs81 said:
I sincerely hope Ricky does well in his career, but it will likely not be one in which dependability and integrity is an asset. Those are still positive personality traits even in this screwed up world. When an agreement and deal has been reached it should be honored. That is assuredly not happening in this case. If he fails to move ahead in his career, he will have an education and be gainfully employable and will have to work for the 30-40 years that the rest of us do in order to have our retiring nest egg.
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I'm certain you feel the same about coaches, ADs, etc who take the offers they think is best for their career.

Josh Heupel walked out and paid millions to leave UCF. I assume he didn't move with integrity or dependability to UCF, right?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Given the WV multi-transfer ruling basically telling the NCAA they can't police transfers, the SEC isn't likely to fight (and certainly won't win) a challenge to the "Winter is fine, but Spring isn't" rule.

Sankey might get pissed at a school breaking the "agreement" between SEC schools but the rule won't last a week if challenged, IMO.
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It’s good to know that everyone’s agreement or word is basically dog$hit in today’s environment. If Gibson had an offer from Alabama, Auburn or Miss St because he needed to be close to home for a legitimate reason, that’s a different story. Because he wants another new deal shouldn’t qualify for an exemption IMO.
 
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utchs81 said:
But he did abide by the contract by paying the buy out did he not?
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I'm certain Gibson's Spyre situation allows him to leave without being in breach, so It's a wash with Coach Heupel.

Gibson obviously CAN enter the portal, forgo his Spyre deal, and move on........ just like Josh Heupel did whether UCF liked it or not.

Spyre isn't going to pay Gibson if he leaves, so they're not losing money.

We can't have it both ways: "amateur" athletics and contracts to rein in free agency and salaries.

As I've said repeatedly, after decades and decades of players being paid under the counter and all manner of perks being offered to kids, NOW everyone wants to be righteous. You can't whitewash college sports now. Stop trying.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
It’s good to know that everyone’s agreement or word is basically dog$hit in today’s environment. If Gibson had an offer from Alabama, Auburn or Miss St because he needed to be close to home for a legitimate reason, that’s a different story. Because he wants another new deal shouldn’t qualify for an exemption IMO.
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The school's word to the NCAA about not paying players was dog$hit long before the the players.

If UT recruited over Gibson and told him to leave you'd be: Well, good for UT for taking care of itself. Nothing to see here. I wish him well.

Goose, meet gander.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The school's word to the NCAA about not paying players was dog$hit long before the the players.

If UT recruited over Gibson and told him to leave you'd be: Well, good for UT for taking care of itself. Nothing to see here. I wish him well.

Goose, meet gander.
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It was an all encompassing sweeping general statement by me. You’ve brought me here. Don’t be upset if I call it like the picture you’ve painted .
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I'm certain Gibson's Spyre situation allows him to leave without being in breach, so It's a wash with Coach Heupel.

Gibson obviously CAN enter the portal, forgo his Spyre deal, and move on........ just like Josh Heupel did whether UCF liked it or not.

Spyre isn't going to pay Gibson if he leaves, so they're not losing money.

We can't have it both ways: "amateur" athletics and contracts to rein in free agency and salaries.

As I've said repeatedly, after decades and decades of players being paid under the counter and all manner of perks being offered to kids, NOW everyone wants to be righteous. You can't whitewash college sports now. Stop trying.
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I will stop as soon as you stop trying to convince me that Integrity and honor no longer has a place in this world.
 
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utchs81 said:
I will stop as soon as you stop trying to convince me that Integrity and honor no longer has a place in this world.
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Look, the NCAA spent decades holding athletes from transferring, from even taking jobs, etc and people want to say "I miss the old loyalty players had."

As soon as they could get paid and transfer, they started making big money and moving to help their own situation.

It's never been honor or loyalty from the schools nor the players. Take it for what it is, a business arrangement like any other that is a lot more equitable toward the players.

A lot of people interpret an equitable situation as disloyalty or a lack of integrity. I can see a fair situation for players and schools bothers you.
 
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CPA said:
Doug Matthews on his Sunday show indicated he thought it would be satisfactorily resolved before spring portal date.
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If Heupel gives in on this, mark the day. He'll regret doing it, and Gibson won't be the last. I suspect Gibson and co. will return for another bite of the apple at some point, too. Said it elsewhere that if he caved it would be his Kelly Washington moment.
 
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CAVPUT said:
If Heupel gives in on this, mark the day. He'll regret doing it, and Gibson won't be the last. I suspect Gibson and co. will return for another bite of the apple at some point, too. Said it elsewhere that if he caved it would be his Kelly Washington moment.
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Not many players on our roster are as good as Gibson. So if a lesser player tries it he will be shown the door. However, if an elite player tries it then obviously exception will be shown. This is the price of doing business with rare commodities. You sometimes have to make exceptions.
 
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