Breaking: Ricky Gibson to the portal

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Peradox1K said:
It feels like college football is just professional football nowadays. They shouldn't be making money to play at college, that's not why you play. You play for an education or to eventually go pro. I guess now they already are pro, but...
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It’s not even like professional. There’s zero reason to honor a contract anymore in college. Pros at least have protections for the teams.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
That’s fine and all but Gibson had already negotiated an NIL deal then used McCoy’s injuries to leverage more money as an excuse.

Call it whatever you want but it’s a d*ck move, especially towards his teammates.
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D*ck moves happen all the time in business. Remember Haslam at Pilot "jacking the discount" and not paying drivers the fuel rebates they deserved? Did everyone here insist we stop taking Haslam money or would you suggest it now?

Being a d*ck in business is the calling card of UT for helping sue the NCAA into oblivion on multiple occasions, yet here we are as supporters.

Gibson took care of Gibson which is what a good UT education should teach students. I cannot fault the guy for doing what we've cheered UT for doing....... taking care of business, even at the expense of telling players we recruited to leave the program to make space for better guys, so the business does better.

Rickey Gibson took care of the business that is Rickey Gibson. We expect UT to do that, even if it means some players get pushed out of the program, so we can't fault the players for applying leverage on the program when they have the chance.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
D*ck moves happen all the time in business. Remember Haslam at Pilot "jacking the discount" and not paying drivers the fuel rebates they deserved? Did everyone here insist we stop taking Haslam money or would you suggest it now?

Being a d*ck in business is the calling card of UT for helping sue the NCAA into oblivion on multiple occasions, yet here we are as supporters.

Gibson took care of Gibson which is what a good UT education should teach students. I cannot fault the guy for doing what we've cheered UT for doing....... taking care of business, even at the expense of telling players we recruited to leave the program to make space for better guys, so the business does better.

Rickey Gibson took care of the business that is Rickey Gibson. We expect UT to do that, even if it means some players get pushed out of the program, so we can't fault the players for applying leverage on the program when they have the chance.
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It's definitely business for sue. But I would say it's bad business to try and re-negotiate a deal you signed merely 2 months ago.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
D*ck moves happen all the time in business. Remember Haslam at Pilot "jacking the discount" and not paying drivers the fuel rebates they deserved? Did everyone here insist we stop taking Haslam money or would you suggest it now?

Being a d*ck in business is the calling card of UT for helping sue the NCAA into oblivion on multiple occasions, yet here we are as supporters.

Gibson took care of Gibson which is what a good UT education should teach students. I cannot fault the guy for doing what we've cheered UT for doing....... taking care of business, even at the expense of telling players we recruited to leave the program to make space for better guys, so the business does better.

Rickey Gibson took care of the business that is Rickey Gibson. We expect UT to do that, even if it means some players get pushed out of the program, so we can't fault the players for applying leverage on the program when they have the chance.
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So, just for argument sake, let's say UT pays him what he is asking and he stays. Hypothetically, he suffers a season ending injury at some point. Would you then be okay with him being cut from the team and his NIL money yanked because it is a business move and these things go both ways?
 
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deatojl said:
So, just for argument sake, let's say UT pays him what he is asking and he stays. Hypothetically, he suffers a season ending injury at some point. Would you then be okay with him being cut from the team and his NIL money yanked because it is a business move and these things go both ways?
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I think it's value based and as I said earlier, if this Spring UT lands a couple of All American CBs, we'd expect UT to push Gibson or other, then expendable, CBs toward the door.

That's how the university has done business for years: once you're recruited over far enough, we show you the door.

It's BEEN distasteful for the school to do it and karma is a b*tch.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I think it's value based and as I said earlier, if this Spring UT lands a couple of All American CBs, we'd expect UT to push Gibson or other, then expendable, CBs toward the door.

That's how the university has done business for years: once you're recruited over far enough, we show you the door.

It's BEEN distasteful for the school to do it and karma is a b*tch.
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I don't agree that "we", as in the majority of the fanbase, would expect the school to push him toward the door. That part isn't really all that important, though and isn't really apples to apples to what he is apparently doing. Let's frame it this way. Would it be okay for our NIL collective to decide midseason that his performance is no longer reflective of his value and tell him he can either renegotiate or they will back out and spend that money elsewhere?
 
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deatojl said:
I don't agree that "we", as in the majority of the fanbase, would expect the school to push him toward the door. That part isn't really all that important, though and isn't really apples to apples to what he is apparently doing. Let's frame it this way. Would it be okay for our NIL collective to decide midseason that his performance is no longer reflective of his value and tell him he can either renegotiate or they will back out and spend that money elsewhere?
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I recall seeing someone connected to Spyre implying that the player's deals are reevaluated each year and that, for instance, Nico met expectations while other players didn't. It's business.

Gibson negotiated a deal then saw that his value to the team jumped (that it's due to injury is regretful but it could have been due to suspension or someone just leaving or whatever, but it increased his value) and he seized the day.

I cannot fault someone for thinking of themselves. This isn't battlefield, life or death, think of your unit and country first...... this is business.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I recall seeing someone connected to Spyre implying that the player's deals are reevaluated each year and that, for instance, Nico met expectations while other players didn't. It's business.

Gibson negotiated a deal then saw that his value to the team jumped (that it's due to injury is regretful but it could have been due to suspension or someone just leaving or whatever, but it increased his value) and he seized the day.

I cannot fault someone for thinking of themselves. This isn't battlefield, life or death, think of your unit and country first...... this is business.
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I agree with your assessment of what Gibson did. That's why I posed the question regarding Spyre potentially deciding mid year that he has not met their expectations from a performance standpoint and play the same type of hardball on renegotiating. Reevaluating at the end of each year is what Spyre and Gibson have already done and came to an agreement on. If there is no issue in Gibson deciding his value has gone up and, therefore, is no longer interested in honoring the deal he made, then there should also be no issue with Spyre doing the same if they feel his value has gone down.
 
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deatojl said:
I agree with your assessment of what Gibson did. That's why I posed the question regarding Spyre potentially deciding mid year that he has not met their expectations from a performance standpoint and play the same type of hardball on renegotiating. Reevaluating at the end of each year is what Spyre and Gibson have already done and came to an agreement on. If there is no issue in Gibson deciding his value has gone up and, therefore, is no longer interested in honoring the deal he made, then there should also be no issue with Spyre doing the same if they feel his value has gone down.
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Spyre, as I understand it, signs contracts for the season, as Gibson did. IF Heupel decided in the Spring Gibson was no longer needed, would Spyre still pay out his contract? I don't know but SHOULD we still pay players after we push them out because we had a contract?

It goes both ways. If Spyre and UT will continue to pay a guy even if they encourage him out the door after he has an NIL deal, then Gibson should remain faithful to his contract.

I don't think that's how it works. I think Spyre cuts ties after Heupel decides we don't need them and tells them transferring is best. I think Spyre gets out of the contract to take care of Spyre's interests.

It just needs to go both ways.
 
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What can schools do to protect themselves from this sort of thing? Players are just going to keep doing it. I’m sure Boo is going to want more money next year. They’re going to have to come up with some sort of 3 or 4 year contract. Then you would probably have some sort of union too. It’s going to get messy. I can see why Saban left. He was a forward enough thinker to see how this was going to go
 
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This is why OHST and the other teams in the top 5 are what they are. They have about $5 Million more than we do. They can appease people who threaten to leave. If someone just isn't happy, they can still leave. But if the issue is just money, they can be swayed if the coach feels like they are worth it.
 
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deatojl said:
So, just for argument sake, let's say UT pays him what he is asking and he stays. Hypothetically, he suffers a season ending injury at some point. Would you then be okay with him being cut from the team and his NIL money yanked because it is a business move and these things go both ways?
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Yes, 100% that would be okay.
 
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gobravesvols16 said:
What can schools do to protect themselves from this sort of thing? Players are just going to keep doing it. I’m sure Boo is going to want more money next year. They’re going to have to come up with some sort of 3 or 4 year contract. Then you would probably have some sort of union too. It’s going to get messy. I can see why Saban left. He was a forward enough thinker to see how this was going to go
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See I don’t have a problem with negotiating a new deal at end of season. Boo is good. Gibson had already negotiated a new deal; someone tampered and offered him more.
 
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gobravesvols16 said:
What can schools do to protect themselves from this sort of thing? Players are just going to keep doing it. I’m sure Boo is going to want more money next year. They’re going to have to come up with some sort of 3 or 4 year contract. Then you would probably have some sort of union too. It’s going to get messy. I can see why Saban left. He was a forward enough thinker to see how this was going to go
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So what should happen after a school has a 3-4 year contract with a player then signs someone better and no longer needs them?

Should the school be on the hook for the rest of their contract even though they won't play?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
So what should happen after a school has a 3-4 year contract with a player then signs someone better and no longer needs them?

Should the school be on the hook for the rest of their contract even though they won't play?
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If they’re on the roster they should. If the player wants to move on to another program for playing time, academics, being closer to home then they should explore other options and see what’s out there .
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
So what should happen after a school has a 3-4 year contract with a player then signs someone better and no longer needs them?

Should the school be on the hook for the rest of their contract even though they won't play?
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They might “sign” someone better but they would still need them for depth. They are going to have to find a happy medium the players have too much power now. I’m ok with the players getting paid but this stunt Gibson pulled is BS. So if Nico gets hurt then is Merk going to threaten to leave if they don’t pay him more? That could happen to any position on the field. The precedent has already been set with Boo and Matthews so you can’t put the worms back in the can
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
If they’re on the roster they should. If the player wants to move on to another program for playing time, academics, being closer to home then they should explore other options and see what’s out there .
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Isn't that what Gibson has announced? He's going to be looking elsewhere. UT doesn't HAVE to try to keep him. He's assuming all the risk that UT won't pull his scholarship and cut ties in April.

It's not as though he's FORCING UT to renegotiate. They have choices.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Spyre, as I understand it, signs contracts for the season, as Gibson did. IF Heupel decided in the Spring Gibson was no longer needed, would Spyre still pay out his contract? I don't know but SHOULD we still pay players after we push them out because we had a contract?

It goes both ways. If Spyre and UT will continue to pay a guy even if they encourage him out the door after he has an NIL deal, then Gibson should remain faithful to his contract.

I don't think that's how it works. I think Spyre cuts ties after Heupel decides we don't need them and tells them transferring is best. I think Spyre gets out of the contract to take care of Spyre's interests.

It just needs to go both ways.
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Sure, but you seem to be equating changes from year to year by the school to him changing midstream after agreeing to a deal for the coming year. I am not aware of any circumstance where someone was given a new(or original) deal, then the school pushing that player out the door before the season began. As for the assertion of Spyre continuing to pay an NIL deal after pushing someone to the portal, will Gibson continue to honor the obligations of the NIL he signed with Spyre after he goes to another school? That would be an apples to apples comparison. If you feel it needs to go both ways, that is valid. However, the going both ways can't just be as it benefits the player. If it is fine for the player to decide, at any time and for any reason, that he does not have to honor the agreement he signed then the same should apply to the collective.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
There is no way Tennessee can bow down to him at this time. If they do, our Athletic Department will be torn to shreds. He is a decent CB, but he can be replaced by someone who is chomping at the bit to show his abilities. We has all Spring and Summer to get players ready to play in the Fall. He has given up his fair share of big plays and is not worth tearing the team apart.
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Yep. If he's successful this time, he'll do it again. If UT gives in, what's to stop him from doing it again next year? Or maybe he pulls a Carr move and either holds UT up for more money before fall camp? Or mid season? No, UT can't take that chance. Best to protect the locker room, set a strong precedent and send him packing. Wouldn't waste a rep during the spring on a guy who's announced his intentions to enter the portal. Roll with what you have and add some depth from the portal with a guy who values their word. Either of those options seems a smarter move...on several fronts...than am giving in to his threats. Bridges would be burned of the decision were mine.
 
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gobravesvols16 said:
They might “sign” someone better but they would still need them for depth. They are going to have to find a happy medium the players have too much power now. I’m ok with the players getting paid but this stunt Gibson pulled is BS. So if Nico gets hurt then is Merk going to threaten to leave if they don’t pay him more? That could happen to any position on the field. The precedent has already been set with Boo and Matthews so you can’t put the worms back in the can
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UT has choices and the players have choices.

UT DOESN'T have to renegotiate anything. They don't owe Gibson a new deal. If they don't want to try to keep him (and often they don't when a player hits the portal,) they let him walk.

Acting like Gibson ISN'T taking a risk here is just not the reality. Announcing this is PROBABLY a bid to renegotiate because he suspects he's too valuable to UT for them to let him walk, but it's a heavy move on his part.

He's at more risk with his college career than UT is if they choose not sign him.

This narrative that he's holding all the cards isn't exactly correct.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Isn't that what Gibson has announced? He's going to be looking elsewhere. UT doesn't HAVE to try to keep him. He's assuming all the risk that UT won't pull his scholarship and cut ties in April.

It's not as though he's FORCING UT to renegotiate. They have choices.
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And I hope the choice is to send him packing. Huge mistake to give in and set this kind of precedent. Nope not worth it...at all.
 
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deatojl said:
Sure, but you seem to be equating changes from year to year by the school to him changing midstream after agreeing to a deal for the coming year. I am not aware of any circumstance where someone was given a new(or original) deal, then the school pushing that player out the door before the season began. As for the assertion of Spyre continuing to pay an NIL deal after pushing someone to the portal, will Gibson continue to honor the obligations of the NIL he signed with Spyre after he goes to another school? That would be an apples to apples comparison. If you feel it needs to go both ways, that is valid. However, the going both ways can't just be as it benefits the player. If it is fine for the player to decide, at any time and for any reason, that he does not have to honor the agreement he signed then the same should apply to the collective.
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Gibson announced he's hitting the portal. He's taking the risk that UT WILL renegotiate but he cannot force them to do that.

He's taking a big risk with his college career. The idea that he's "forcing" UT to renegotiate is BS. They have every chance to let him walk.
 
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