Bryce Brown (CLOSED)

[m1al]

First class beat down Tenacious. WELL DONE!!!

However, I fear Wheaton would argue the legendary status of Oregon with a rock....

He really needs to calibrate his 'everyone is sick of me and I need to leave' detector.

 

[orange parmejohn]

I heard you on the radio the other day, Kevin. I had just read the thread where you told people BB had committed to doing your show, and just so happened to flip on 102.3 as I was driving, and it was you on there with whoever those guys are(Not a daily listener). Heard you mention Volnation without saying the name, as well...

Holla!:wavey:

 

[volger]

Nice burn TD. Cant believe they are still here. I will give them an A for courage. But if we hear from them after the 16th I will be more than impressed. Dont see it happening tho.

 

[ivtec_jrod]

what's the latest on brown bringing his family to k-town this weekend?

 

[IPorange]

I feel like i am rubbernecking past a an accident between a tractor trailer and a moped.

 

[NicktheVolFan]

Tenacious D's recliner of rage.

 

[LittleDTO]

Lets all just give it a rest until Monday. We wont know anything knew unless people are interested in what establishment he decided to eat in, or what he ate. We can all check back Monday morning and start the countdown.

 

[Sabanocchio]

Droski was one of the most level-headed opposing fans this board has seen, set quite the example to live up to.

The other guy though... Seth maybe? He went down in flames in a bad way.

Why are you guys talking about Droski like he's dead or something? He's alive and well in the politics forum.

 

[aaronvol]

Mr. Wheaton,

If you will send me your email address I will send you a picture of BB putting on a beautiful Orange T hat from his press conference on Monday in Wichita since I will be there front and center. Would you like me to get a pic of the Oregon hat as well that remains on the table so you can atleast have that as a lasting memory?

Your Tennessee Friend,

aaronvol

 

[dembewbs]

Yea take some pics if he does pick UT and post them on here.

 

[joeydupree]

Nothing compares to the "Rap music in Neyland" thread we had on the main board earlier this fall.

Can't believe you remember that...

 

[wheaton4prez]

My conclusions aren't implied. I KNOW the answer. I'm not guessing. It was told to me.

I know that you know of some things Brown has said and are not guessing. However, you are also asserting things that you have yet to spell out Brown as having stated ("no reason to come here", "you don't want to know", etc.). Are you now publicly revealing that Brown has eliminated Oregon? Is the secret info that Brown told you that Oregon fans should not go to the volnation forum? Or, was it something else that you conclude means those things?

And if you read my post, and you understood, then you'd know why his dad is denying it.

If it's public information, why not just repeat it? Or, post the link to where your post explains why Brown's dad would deny (lie apparently?) to the media that Brown was not going to UT this weekend.

No one cares how you see it. At what point does that sink in?

That's not what other UT fans have told me in PM and at points in this thread.

I didn't "make" any arguments (educated people say, "formulate", but I'll give you the Oregon pass) - I stated facts.

That's an interesting idea you have there. Here's an example of an educator describing to his class how to "make an argument."

http://dmschreiber.ucsd.edu/Teacher/ThinkClearly/MakeAnArgument.pdf

You made several arguments and then stated some facts. I hate to break it to you. But, that is called making arguments. In fact, you made a very good argument for why UT fans have a lot of bragging rights. Just not a very compelling one for why Brown should go to UT.

I write a thousand some odd word post that filets your beloved school with irrefutable facts, and you begin your counter-charge against my selection of font type and color. Well, I can see where this goes from here, I suppose.

No. I just feel bad that you put so much time into the font and color of your posts but still didn't say anything relevant to Brown.

By which standard have I failed? Yours? Well, of course I have, mouth-breather. What if I pointed out that many (say 90%) of the facts that I pointed out came from the pages of an Oregon Media Guide.....which they routinely send to prospective recruits. Everyone is stupid but you, right?

Not sure what you're on about here. I didn't say that any of the figures you posted were inaccurate. I take your word for it that they are. It's just that they do not effectively support your arguments or deliver any compelling reason relevant to the Brown situation. Really, it was nothing but a catalogue of old accolades that have little or nothing to do with what the next 4-5 years of football are going to be like for either program.

Are you proposing that each of the facts which I quoted suggested a conclusion which was based solely on the origin of either of our programs - you now, as the definition suggests? ...gurgle gurgle...

No, I simply observed that you making the argument that Tennessee is a better choice than Oregon for Brown, based only on the stats that you compiled, is a logical fallacy. That is a fact. Please refer to the links I provided if you require further understanding of your logical error.

However, if he plays at Tennessee, he will play against more teams from the SEC than any other conference, right?

What good is that if they lose a lot of those games?

So, given that - don't you think it quite pertinent to note that Oregon has a LOSING record against every major Pac-10 team, with the exception of Oregon State?

You're making the same logic error that I've already pointed out. Whatever record Oregon has in the past with various teams doesn't mean very much if they win all of those match-ups when Brown is there. At the same time, whatever UT's record is in the SEC in historical books will mean squat to Brown if he loses those match-ups while on the team. According to recent performance of the players on each team and current 2009 rankings, Oregon looks to be on the up and UT on the down (relative to historical averages).

Finally, do you not then understand that a team who fares better against stronger competition might, in fact, be a better program than one which does not?

I assume that you mean a team that fares well against tough opponents is better than one that fares well against weak opponents. I would say that a team that wins is faring better than a team that loses.

When rankings and success of teams are measured, the actual win/loss record holds far more weight than subjective judgments about which conference is more difficult. In other words, if Oregon goes undefeated next season and UT surprises everyone and loses only 3 games, Oregon will be ranked higher than UT. There would be no question by anyone that they should be because of Florida, LSU, etc. being tough opponents.

I have a sneaking suspicion that Washington, UCLA, USC and Cal would all agree with me, and use this against Oregon, quite effectively.

This raises a point that does not bode well for your argument. Given that UT lost to UCLA last year, one of the worst teams in the Pac-10, where would that put UT in the Pac-10?

 

[wheaton4prez]

So....only the last season's record matters, right? You're saying that the previous years record should transfer some positive esteem. I understand. Scroll up and re-check the definition of "genetic fallacy" again. Careful, don't be sodomized by the irony along the way.

The problem with your quibble here is that I have clearly not over-looked differences in the current context and only considered the results of last year that are relevant. For UT, many of the players themselves are still there. There is a chance that the new coaching staff can put something together to help them perform better than last year. But, it's an unknown. And all of the glories of yesteryear do nothing to change the fact that it's an unknown (at best) whether or not they will improve over last year.

Being on a weak Oregon team and facing strong conference teams is not better for an individual player. You have perfectly stated why Brown should not choose Oregon. Great job - and I agree!

Again, you're just appealing to the same argument I refuted earlier. The only strength comparison that is relevant to Brown is the current make-up of the conference. Oregon is not a weak Pac-10 team at this time, right now, the time during which Brown would be involved with the program. UT is not a strong SEC team at this time, right now, the time during which Brown would be involved with the program.

Yeah, if it happened before last season, it doesn't exist, right?

No. It exists. It just isn't very relevant to Brown.

Say, Wheaton doesn't still play for the Ducks, but yet you've immortalized him in your screen name....isn't that the same thing you're suggesting as being one of your own previously mentioned fallacies?

lol. You're making this way too easy. Thank you for illustrating my point better than I could have thought to. Yes, Wheaton is immortalized by me, a FAN, not a PLAYER. It's a lot of fun to brag about or immortalize past glories or players of your favorite team. However, Wheaton is going to do nothing for Brown. Just like Travis Henry, Jamal Lewis and Peyton Manning are not going to do anything for him either. Next!

So, nothing the former staff did matters, because they're not here - AND - nothing that was accomplished by the coaches with other players before they got here matters either, right?

Wrong. I have stated multiple times that those things do matter. In fact, I would say that is your best argument. Of course, you didn't include that in your specious manifesto posts.

I'm confused. Are you now so crazed as to think that 54,000 people can come close to matching that of 108,000?!?

Many people who have experienced game-days all over the nation think so. I've seen bigger crowds myself that were much quieter than Autzen.

By "well-known intensity", do you mean the process of your collective fan base making death-threats and incessant chants of racial and sexual slurs toward opposing players - so much so, that you brand of "intensity" was featured in an SI article, showing your "fans" to be some of the worst in all of college sports? Or is this the one where your "intesnsity" causes you to throw urine and dog feces on opposing teams and their fans?

You're like a walking library of logical fallacies. A professor could just have you walk around and talk all day in class and by the end of it, everyone would be expert in how not to present an argument. The SI article did not show our fans to be some of the worst in college sports. It described one case at a basketball game where some individual idiots went over-board in going after Oregon native Kevin Love. I have never seen or heard anything like that at any football game in 20 years of going. If I did, I would have no problem telling them to stfu on the spot.

If they're already planning it before he gets there....would he really be responsible for it....before he even signed? Oh, you're saying that this idea should appeal to him because he's probably stupid enough to believe it. Again, are you lying now, or will you be lying then?

No. I'm alluding to the fact that it's a more compelling story to be part of a program on the rise than of one that is trying to reclaim lost glory.

I have to admit - not too shabby for the 5th best team in the 4th best confernce.

Take away your argument that historical averages reflect current conditions and you really have nothing, do you? I can completely understand why you're getting so frustrated that you have to resort to ad hominem attacks and self aggrandizement.

Quick question: what's the "top team" you mention? I thought you were an Oregon fan? Didn't you read my first post on this, earlier today? Oregon is not a "top team" - even by your notably warped standards.

I'm sorry. Was that confusing? I was referring to the fact that Oregon is currently ranked as a top 25 or 10 team for 2009 and finished at 10 last year. That's what I meant by "top team". In other words, out of the hundred plus college teams, Oregon is ranked near the top. I consider teams that are not ranked in the top 25, like UT, to not be top teams. They might get there again some day. But, currently, not a top team.

I am but one of many, many, many people on this site who you've have dreaded to meet for so long now - and who's patience with your nonsense has finally been exhausted. You're either too dumb to know it - or too stupid to remember it, but you are in over your head, drowing in a shark-infested ocean of your own ignorance, wearing a millstone of your own arrogance.

Appeal to ridicule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I stated simple and easily verifiable facts, and stand by each of them. I welcome you to refute a single one of them, and if you cannot, then at least be man enough to admit their truth, despite the consequences to your argument. It's called being a reasonable adult. Look into it.

I roundly refuted that argument in specific detail. Your ad hominem attacks and other ramblings did nothing to address my rebuttal.

P.S. - Would you care to make a wager on where Brown ends up? Are you man enough for that?

Gambling doesn't make someone a man. I am not and have never tried to predict where Brown is going. I'm interested to hear. I hope he goes to Oregon. But, I'm not wanting that in order to "win" anything. I just think it would be a good fit for him and the team. So, no, I'm not interested in betting where he will go. If he goes to UT, I will wish him and UT good luck.

 

[Bassmanbruno]

Wow - just - shut - up.

 

[bdarnell]

Yall agree to disagree. Moving on. What jersey number will Bryce wear if/when he comes to Knoxville? Does Todd Campbell give up #11?

 

[ThatVolGuy]

No. I'm alluding to the fact that it's a more compelling story to be part of a program on the rise than of one that is trying to reclaim lost glory.

Let's refrain from equating subjective opinion with fact, okay? I'm sure plenty of young football players would choose reawakening one of the nation's most successful programs over getting a team like Oregon over the hump.

Not to mention that, based on everything we're hearing, Bryce Brown would disagree.

 

[wheaton4prez]

Let's refrain from equating subjective opinion with fact, okay? I'm sure plenty of young football players would choose reawakening one of the nation's most successful programs over getting a team like Oregon over the hump.

I believe that, if polled, more young players would choose the story of winning the first NC game for a team than winning one with a team that has already done so.

But, you have a point. I shouldn't call it a fact unless I can or intend to prove it.

Not to mention that, based on everything we're hearing, Bryce Brown would disagree.

Between Brown's dad denying that they are visiting UT this weekend and VSPN saying that they are, something is up. I don't think any fan base should be counting chickens before the eggs hatch.

 

[bdarnell]

I believe that, if polled, more young players would choose the story of winning the first NC game for a team than winning one with a team that has already done so.

But, you have a point. I shouldn't call it a fact unless I can or intend to prove it.



Between Brown's dad denying that they are visiting UT this weekend and VSPN saying that they are, something is up. I don't think any fan base should be counting chickens before the eggs hatch.

Do you realize what would happen if he confirmed that his son is going to visit to a school on his own dime that he has already visited previously, and that school just so happens to be claimed by many as his future college choice?

Do you not realize Brown became angry because this news got out? Why would he get that angry over a story if it simply wasn't true?

Your Oregon fan-hood is blinding you from common sense. We all are guilty of it (Orson Charles).

 

[wheaton4prez]

Do you realize what would happen if he confirmed that his son is going to visit to a school on his own dime that he has already visited previously, and that school just so happens to be claimed by many as his future college choice?

Exactly the same thing as what is happening right now? Excitement by UT fans and a lot of additional speculation.

Do you not realize Brown became angry because this news got out? Why would he get that angry over a story if it simply wasn't true?

Honestly, I really don't know. I know that VSPN has given us some second hand information. But, no exact quotes. No offense, but I don't know VSPN from Adam. I don't know how he might interpret any comments or sensed emotions differently than I might.

Your Oregon fan-hood is blinding you from common sense. We all are guilty of it (Orson Charles).

I don't think it's being blinded by fan-hood to think that Brown's father might be telling the truth.

 

[Sudden Impact]

What will it take to go away. What is your buyout. You are here for no reason. The BB excuse is overwith and the Oregon arguement is just football ignorance on your part. So what keeps you coming back into this thread to talk about OU.

 

[Godfatha]

My god. I'm all for fans of other teams posting here, but all I am seeing are walls of text from wheaton in this thread.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

My god. I'm all for fans of other teams posting here, but all I am seeing are walls of text from wheaton in this thread.

no kidding...I have never seen so many quotes and pastes from other posts than are on this page of the thread (p. 425). And to beat it all, they all come from an Duck fan. sheesh, let's keep the points quick and on pace, and move on. Otherwise, go post on some PAC10 forum.

 

[aredfox28]

wheaton what are you gonna do if he doesnt choose oregon, and goes to somewhere else.the ducks will still be one of those teams you dont expect or hear much out of except for one upset a year. the ducks are an average team with no great expectations except to the people of oregon. while tennessee has great tradition and championships,and are on the rise again. so if he doesnt choose tennessee,whatever.we are still on the uprise.not the oregon quacks.your still medicore with a good back,if he picks oregon. so back to the duck nation site and post there,personally im tired of seeing your posts on here.

 

[wheaton4prez]

My god. I'm all for fans of other teams posting here, but all I am seeing are walls of text from wheaton in this thread.

I agree. The sheer length of posts got out of hand and I apologize for my role in it.

I still don't see how you can only get on my case about it when I was responding to someone who did the same thing to me (and started the whole exchange with a 3 page post).

And to beat it all, they all come from an Duck fan.

I realize that it's enough to make anyones eyes blur over. But, did you not see that Tenacious D started with long post directed at me, on the subject of UO/UT?

 

[utmba93]

Honestly, is anyone even reading wheaton's drivel anymore?

Great posts, again, TenD!

It's amazing wheaton feels the weight of evidence from his rhetoric provides more sound logic than the pure facts you articulated quite well.

But, as we all know, you can't teach stupid. And, on that measure, wheaton is a natural.