BTO’s Kentucky Postgame Report

#152
#152
walkenvol said:
Boy, I usually think pretty close to you but we’re miles apart on this one. Your way more understanding of an adult who isn’t involved in the game injecting himself into it in an inflammatory way with the players. if it’s completely unacceptable for players to go into the stands then why is it ever ok for a grown assed man to come from behind their bench and engage with our players? If it had been our S&C guy I’d be calling for his dismissal. Security should have escorted him from the building.
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That's fine. I'm not excusing his behavior, either. It was certainly unwarranted, unprovoked, and inflammatory. No doubt about it. I just don't think it needed to be legislated within the game the way it was since it ultimately resulted in nothing substantial in terms of altercation and the end result punished Tennessee more than Kentucky when they were clearly the instigating party.

Now, I'm more than OK with Kentucky legislating his behavior, or better yet, the SEC legislating it after the fact. A suspension of some sort is probably warranted.
 
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#154
#154
Thunder Good-Oil said:
I was wondering if maybe Santi went to the lane after Aidoo was given the ball. I didn’t see it and ESPN missed it completely. Didn’t say one word about Aidoo only having one free throw. Too busy hearing themselves talk I think.
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Yeah, maybe you know this. Once the player takes his position on the line, can a player walk inside the line if the ball has not been tossed to the shooter?
 
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#159
Thunder Good-Oil said:
I think they can step into the paint until the ball goes to the shooter. Can’t go anywhere while the FT shooter is holding the ball.
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Ok, then the official is wrong. I kept seeing us walk into the line before the shooter received the ball. I personally thought that was ok. The same thing happened on the violation, so Shows just screwed up.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Gotcha. I don't see any way you can issue a T to one side and not the other in that instance. Obviously, little fella on UK's bench was the instigator, but ZZ definitely put hands on him, right or wrong. In that instance, I think the proper thing is to just separate everyone, review to see that nothing dangerous or insanely unsportsmanlike occurred, and then get back to playing ball.

In the end, the double technical hurt Tennessee more than Kentucky because it was a personal on Zeigler, who actually affects the outcome of the game, plus a T against him (another and he's ejected). Meanwhile, UK's mighty mouse could get sent packing and no one would notice.

In that instance, especially with the benefit of video review, you just determine that nothing awful happened and get back to playing with a warning to both sides. The situation was over-officiated and it hurt the "less guilty" team more than the instigating team.
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I understand the decision in that circumstance with the contact that ZZ made. But I mentioned in another post that the double technical decision is a cop-out a majority of the times that they do it. If there is a clear instigator, then that person should be given the technical. Human nature is mostly to defend your position, and you just because you don't back down or chirp back, it's not necessarily a reason to receive a technical. I agree that those things are over-officiated.
 
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cardvolfan said:
Actually, yes, the top of the key. My bad.
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Apparently the rule is that up to six players can be lined up along the “lane” (painted area). EVERYBODY else must stay beyond the 3-point line. I didn’t see a rule but that restricted zone might also include below the free throw line extended or the top of the key extended. I haven’t seen anybody in the corners for foul shots which would be beyond the 3PL.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Apparently the rule is that up to six players can be lined up along the “lane” (painted area). EVERYBODY else must stay beyond the 3-point line. I didn’t see a rule but that restricted zone might also include below the free throw line extended or the top of the key extended. I haven’t seen anybody in the corners for foul shots which would be beyond the 3PL.
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Those Tennessee players were definitely walking past the top of the key. It wasn’t called on the first two times I watched, but it was called on Aidoo’s FT attempt.
 
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cardvolfan said:
Those Tennessee players were definitely walking past the top of the key. It wasn’t called on the first two times I watched, but it was called on Aidoo’s FT attempt.
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The top of the key is the semi-circle intersecting the free throw line. The 3-point line is beyond the top of the key and apparently the rule is that players not lined up along the lane must be beyond the 3PL.

In the 1960s and at least into the 1970s, instead of alternating possessions there were actual jump balls at either free throw line or the center circle. It sucked for small guys that tied up big guys since they’d never win the jump ball. Therefore alternating possessions (the arrow) was created.

Another really strange rule that went away. Players that were fouled were given just one free throw. Then after the 7th foul a BONUS was awarded (which was a one-plus-one).
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
The top of the key is the semi-circle intersecting the free throw line. The 3-point line is beyond the top of the key and apparently the rule is that players not lined up along the lane must be beyond the 3PL.

In the 1960s and at least into the 1970s, instead of alternating possessions there were actual jump balls at either free throw line or the center circle. It sucked for small guys that tied up big guys since they’d never win the jump ball. Therefore alternating possessions (the arrow) was created.

Another really strange rule that went away. Players that were fouled were given just one free throw. Then after the 7th foul a BONUS was awarded (which was a one-plus-one).
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Yeah, our guys definitely walked beyond the 3-pt line.
 
#168
#168
Thunder Good-Oil said:
I find it interesting that with Uros and BHH starting, Uros does the center jump on the tip off. He is a couple of inches taller, but doesn’t seem to have much of a vertical w leap. Maybe he has an extra long wingspan. Like @The Dog (BTW, I’ve got 6’6” to your 6’4”).
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Yeah, but my vertical is better
 
#170
#170
BACKDOC said:
I was at the UNC Green game, and Q; the kid from France has Pons like athletic ability. He gonna be good.
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Agree. I think this program right now is a good composition of young guys who are going to develop and be at UT long term and the guys who are contributing now. I like that model a lot more than the one and dones you have to replace every year.
 
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#171
#171
Stoerner Fumbles said:
A whole lot of our perception of “” had a bad night has to do with how a team defends us. Last night JJJ faced their best defensive guard and a PF in help. He didn’t shoot well, but he also didn’t have a lot of opportunities. That same overcommitted PF gave Fulkerson the most space he’s had all year. He dribbled right past OT, and there was no help. A few nights ago everyone had written off Fulkerson and his “bad nights”. The great thing about this team is that everyone is a scoring threat. Sadly Powell is the one misfit toy. Now that we’ve moved to more motion and back cuts, his open set shot is gone. Everyone else contributes something meaningful on offense.
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When I looked at the box score, I was actually surprised JJJ wasn't worse than 3-9. He did get a gimme dunk off the great steal by ZZ. But his shot seems to have flattened out again. You're right, though, he's gotten the attention of other teams' defenses, which is a good thing for his teammates.
 
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#172
GregAmsler said:
When I looked at the box score, I was actually surprised JJJ wasn't worse than 3-9. He did get a gimme dunk off the great steal by ZZ. But his shot seems to have flattened out again. You're right, though, he's gotten the attention of other teams' defenses, which is a good thing for his teammates.
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He seemed to get carried away and he missed 4 shots in about a 4 minute stretch in the 2nd half. That stretch inflated his shots per minute to by far the highest on the team. He got up 9 in 19 minutes. KC by contrast, got up 9 in 36 minutes.
 
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#174
This team's progression on offense from even the Arizona game is pretty impressive. When they are flowing, it is pretty to watch.

I really enjoyed Aidoo making the most of the 18 minutes. He looks so much more comfortable than BHH around the rim. Having said that, he doesn't move fast enough off of the pick at the top of the key. He's tall enough to catch and dunk but he's about a half second slow so the guard can't trust he'll be close enough for the dish. Overall, I think his development has been excellent. We may need that 15-18 minutes out of him moving forward!
 
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