BTO’s Norfolk State Postgame Report

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1. That’s exactly what you hoped for in a game like this, realistically considering the opponent the end result was probably better than what you hoped for, but a wire to wire win that was never in doubt is just what you wanted to see in the final OOC game. Outside of a 4-5 minute stretch halfway through the 1st half Tennessee was really dominant and looked great on both ends, again, just what you hoped for in the final game before SEC play starts.

2. Was great to see Dalton Knecht get back to looking a bit like the player we saw earlier in the year, he looked much more assertive especially in the 1st half than we’ve seen recently from him, he’ll need to continue to bring that. Zeigler again seemingly looked even better and now is starting to resemble the best version of himself that we’ve seen on Rocky Top, he’s seemingly finding his outside shot and is absolutely terrorizing opponents on the defensive end. Some folks may look at his 10 three point attempts and say that’s too many, but I’ve got no problem with it…they’re open shots and we need opponents to respect his shot, not back off of him. He’s also a good enough shooter that hitting them at 35%+ is a great shot, especially considering his struggles around the rim, I would be just fine with 95% of his shots coming from behind the 3pt line.

3. On a night where Jonas Aidoo disappointed, Tobe Awaka sure did not. In 21 minutes he has 10pts 11rbd 3blk 4-6fg and just 1 foul…that is phenomenal production from him and a great job from him avoiding the dumb fouls that usually limit his minutes. I don’t think we can ideally play Aidoo & Awaka together much as it really limits offensive spacing, and both would struggle defensively against 4’s…but it allows you to ride the hot hand, or most effective matchup night to night and that’s a nice luxury to have. There’s a spot for both and you just hope both stay locked in and engaged because their numbers will both be called and having each other is a good thing, not bad.

4. Another guy I thought played well was Jahmai Mashack, he continues to get some of Gainey’s minutes and as Gainey continues to struggle shooting that will likely continue. Obviously Mashack has always brought elite defense, but his offense was a struggle to where it was hard to play both him and JJJ together before, which was where Gainey came into play…but Mashack has shown an improved offensive game and JJJ has as well while Gainey has struggled, so you’re seeing more lineups with Mashack out there now as a result. As long as he continues to play within himself and do what he’s capable and comfortable doing he should continue to have a solid role going forward, he doesn’t have to be great offensively, just stay within his game and then obviously his defense will always be there.

5. You can only take so much from these types of games and seeing as it was the last OOC game of the year it’s a good time to look back on that slate and then look ahead as well. We finish the OOC schedule at 10-3, wins @Wisconsin and H to Illinois are the big highlights, neutral site wins against Syracuse & NCST also look nice. Unlike many teams around the country we avoided any bad losses, in fact our 3 losses are all REALLY good losses…neutral site against Purdue & Kansas and a road game to North Carolina…all 3 currently being Top 13 teams. All that to say that that is a great OOC resume for March, you’ve set yourself up nicely for another high seed as you enter conference play which brings me to my next point.

6. We enter SEC play sitting at 10-3, we have a 18 game SEC slate ahead of us, currently Barttorvik projects us to finish 23-8(13-5), so obviously a 13-5 SEC record to finish out the year is what they’re projecting currently. Obviously it’s a moving target every year and it’s impossible to predict, but that would almost certainly have us firmly in 2 seed territory with an outside shot at a 1 seed/3 seed, so that seems like a solid goal/target point, 13-5 the rest of the way. Per Barttorvik in our first 9 games we are currently favored by 7+ in 6/9…conversely in our final 9 games we are favored by 7+ in 3/9 games, so obviously looking at it through that lens the first half of our schedule is much easier than the back half, we need to take advantage. It would seem like a reasonable expectation to reach that 13-5 would be something like 7-2 in the first half and 6-3 in the back half. We have a good first test with Ole Miss coming to town Saturday, they’re undefeated and ranked, should be a national attraction type game, but analytics aren’t yet sold on the Rebels, being at home this is a game we really need to win and start out the SEC slate with a W.


GBO!!!
 
#2
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The high level defense was a huge factor. When the offense went cold in the first half, Norfolk was unable to take advantage of it. That’s a recurring theme with Barnes ball. Great defense wins a lot of games but some “fans” can’t tolerate the ugly aspect of it and gripe that it isn’t pretty.
 
#4
#4
The high level defense was a huge factor. When the offense went cold in the first half, Norfolk was unable to take advantage of it. That’s a recurring theme with Barnes ball. Great defense wins a lot of games but some “fans” can’t tolerate the ugly aspect of it and gripe that it isn’t pretty.
Along those lines TGO, Norfolk State averages 11.3 assists per game and last night they got 1. Defense never takes a night off, but shooting ebbs and flows.
 
#6
#6
1. That’s exactly what you hoped for in a game like this, realistically considering the opponent the end result was probably better than what you hoped for, but a wire to wire win that was never in doubt is just what you wanted to see in the final OOC game. Outside of a 4-5 minute stretch halfway through the 1st half Tennessee was really dominant and looked great on both ends, again, just what you hoped for in the final game before SEC play starts.

2. Was great to see Dalton Knecht get back to looking a bit like the player we saw earlier in the year, he looked much more assertive especially in the 1st half than we’ve seen recently from him, he’ll need to continue to bring that. Zeigler again seemingly looked even better and now is starting to resemble the best version of himself that we’ve seen on Rocky Top, he’s seemingly finding his outside shot and is absolutely terrorizing opponents on the defensive end. Some folks may look at his 10 three point attempts and say that’s too many, but I’ve got no problem with it…they’re open shots and we need opponents to respect his shot, not back off of him. He’s also a good enough shooter that hitting them at 35%+ is a great shot, especially considering his struggles around the rim, I would be just fine with 95% of his shots coming from behind the 3pt line.

3. On a night where Jonas Aidoo disappointed, Tobe Awaka sure did not. In 21 minutes he has 10pts 11rbd 3blk 4-6fg and just 1 foul…that is phenomenal production from him and a great job from him avoiding the dumb fouls that usually limit his minutes. I don’t think we can ideally play Aidoo & Awaka together much as it really limits offensive spacing, and both would struggle defensively against 4’s…but it allows you to ride the hot hand, or most effective matchup night to night and that’s a nice luxury to have. There’s a spot for both and you just hope both stay locked in and engaged because their numbers will both be called and having each other is a good thing, not bad.

4. Another guy I thought played well was Jahmai Mashack, he continues to get some of Gainey’s minutes and as Gainey continues to struggle shooting that will likely continue. Obviously Mashack has always brought elite defense, but his offense was a struggle to where it was hard to play both him and JJJ together before, which was where Gainey came into play…but Mashack has shown an improved offensive game and JJJ has as well while Gainey has struggled, so you’re seeing more lineups with Mashack out there now as a result. As long as he continues to play within himself and do what he’s capable and comfortable doing he should continue to have a solid role going forward, he doesn’t have to be great offensively, just stay within his game and then obviously his defense will always be there.

5. You can only take so much from these types of games and seeing as it was the last OOC game of the year it’s a good time to look back on that slate and then look ahead as well. We finish the OOC schedule at 10-3, wins @Wisconsin and H to Illinois are the big highlights, neutral site wins against Syracuse & NCST also look nice. Unlike many teams around the country we avoided any bad losses, in fact our 3 losses are all REALLY good losses…neutral site against Purdue & Kansas and a road game to North Carolina…all 3 currently being Top 13 teams. All that to say that that is a great OOC resume for March, you’ve set yourself up nicely for another high seed as you enter conference play which brings me to my next point.

6. We enter SEC play sitting at 10-3, we have a 18 game SEC slate ahead of us, currently Barttorvik projects us to finish 23-8(13-5), so obviously a 13-5 SEC record to finish out the year is what they’re projecting currently. Obviously it’s a moving target every year and it’s impossible to predict, but that would almost certainly have us firmly in 2 seed territory with an outside shot at a 1 seed/3 seed, so that seems like a solid goal/target point, 13-5 the rest of the way. Per Barttorvik in our first 9 games we are currently favored by 7+ in 6/9…conversely in our final 9 games we are favored by 7+ in 3/9 games, so obviously looking at it through that lens the first half of our schedule is much easier than the back half, we need to take advantage. It would seem like a reasonable expectation to reach that 13-5 would be something like 7-2 in the first half and 6-3 in the back half. We have a good first test with Ole Miss coming to town Saturday, they’re undefeated and ranked, should be a national attraction type game, but analytics aren’t yet sold on the Rebels, being at home this is a game we really need to win and start out the SEC slate with a W.


GBO!!!
Good analysis BTO. If we are who we think we are, Barnes and the Vols should win the conference opener against a ranked opponent on their home floor. State in Starkville on Wednesday will be difficult game as well. Conference play is here, let the grind begin!
 
#7
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Along those lines TGO, Norfolk State averages 11.3 assists per game and last night they got 1. Defense never takes a night off, but shooting ebbs and flows.

UT had 23 assists on 30 baskets. The level of competition wasn’t elite, but maybe the offense is starting to mesh with the new pieces.
 
#9
#9
14 players got minutes including 2x walk-ons. DJ Jefferson didn’t play.
I’m pretty sure that Jefferson will hit the portal running as soon as the season is complete. He’s not bought in to Barnes basketball and will look for a greener pasture.
 
#10
#10
It was really a great game overall outside of the lull in the first half. The guy I want to see a lot more of is Freddie D. Gainey has completely lost his mojo on the offensive end, and with the depth we have, there's really no reason for us to have to continue to let him find it. Freddie was a terror on the defensive end. Plus he can create shots got himself and others, but he can do both better than Gainey can right now.
 
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#12
I agree that I don’t mind the vast majority of ZZ’s shots being on the perimeter. His height is going to prevent him from ever being an elite finisher at the rim, so we need teams to respect his outside shot. I have confidence that he’ll find some consistency from 3 and be dynamic.

On the broadcast, it was mentioned that we currently sit at 11th in FG% in the SEC through 13 games. Not ideal. I’ve been of the opinion that it would be nice to peak in February/March for once, but if we want to get off to a quick start in SEC play with our weaker schedule, we have to be a bit better than 11th. We still miss too many shots at the rim.

It was nice seeing Knecht look a bit more like himself last night, and he barely played in the 2nd half. It’s great seeing ZZ and Santi find themselves a bit, but we really need Knecht to be that All-American caliber player we know he can be if we want to win the SEC.
 
#13
#13
I’m pretty sure that Jefferson will hit the portal running as soon as the season is complete. He’s not bought in to Barnes basketball and will look for a greener pasture.

He can leave now, but I guess with the transfer rules that wouldn’t garner him an earlier start for another team in 2024-2025. He could play in the first game next year instead of having to sit until January 2025 even by NOT transferring now.

I’m guessing, but maybe Barnes has DJ focusing on his academics and won’t be playing him this year. Tough love. If there was an injury I would think that even with privacy issues it would be known that he’s rehabbing something.

There’s also a mini-term that hasn’t wrapped up, so if he took a class maybe the results will be considered.

Jefferson said all the right things during an interview a couple of weeks ago.
 
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#14
We have played, what, 14 OOC games plus (or including?) the Michigan State game? Feels like too many. The last two games have
been essentially throwaways, though they give the reserves a chance to get minutes. Ready to finally start conference play.
 
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We have played, what, 14 OOC games plus (or including?) the Michigan State game? Feels like too many. The last two games have
been essentially throwaways, though they give the reserves a chance to get minutes. Ready to finally start conference play.

Everybody pretty much plays the same # of games. I kind of like getting hit in the mouth with the big dogs EARLY and shooting for season long improvement. Taking almost 2 weeks off after the gauntlet was a different twist as well.
 
#16
#16
If mashack can hit the open 3 consistently like he has been the past few games it’ll be hard to keep him off the court. Not the most polished offensively, but maybe our best driver of the ball and a capable ball handler. If he adds the threat of an open 3 it’s a huge boost for his game/ the offense when he’s out there.

Edit: jjj, knecht and Gainey went a combined 2-15 from 3 yet we still shot a solid percentage. Really speaks to the options we have compared to years past when arguably 3/4 of your best shooters are off.
 
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The Jefferson situation is just disappointing, because he was very mature and bought into the redshirt last year and remember him taking it in stride. He’s an extremely gifted athlete but on the surface it definitely looks like he just hasn’t bought into the grind that it takes to thrive under Barnes.

Considering he’s still technically just a freshmen, I do hope he stays and figures things out. He’s got plenty of time to see the court and I’d love to see what Barnes can turn him into. But basically all signs point to him transferring with how things are going. Just hope he lands somewhere good for him. It very often does not turn out that way.
 
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The Jefferson situation is just disappointing, because he was very mature and bought into the redshirt last year and remember him taking it in stride. He’s an extremely gifted athlete but on the surface it definitely looks like he just hasn’t bought into the grind that it takes to thrive under Barnes.

Considering he’s still technically just a freshmen, I do hope he stays and figures things out. He’s got plenty of time to see the court and I’d love to see what Barnes can turn him into. But basically all signs point to him transferring with how things are going. Just hope he lands somewhere good for him. It very often does not turn out that way.

There are a lot of minutes available if he stays.
 
#20
#20
I agree that I don’t mind the vast majority of ZZ’s shots being on the perimeter. His height is going to prevent him from ever being an elite finisher at the rim, so we need teams to respect his outside shot. I have confidence that he’ll find some consistency from 3 and be dynamic.

On the broadcast, it was mentioned that we currently sit at 11th in FG% in the SEC through 13 games. Not ideal. I’ve been of the opinion that it would be nice to peak in February/March for once, but if we want to get off to a quick start in SEC play with our weaker schedule, we have to be a bit better than 11th. We still miss too many shots at the rim.

It was nice seeing Knecht look a bit more like himself last night, and he barely played in the 2nd half. It’s great seeing ZZ and Santi find themselves a bit, but we really need Knecht to be that All-American caliber player we know he can be if we want to win the SEC.
Not to pile on but Gainey is glaringly an issue statistically as his struggles continue, if you remove him from the stats our nationals rankings in FG% go from 252 to 121, 2pt% goes from 232 to 138 and 3pt% goes from 169 to 114. Obviously none of those are still great rankings but I mention it because Zeigler and Vescovi seem to be trending up while Gainey continues trending down.
 
#21
#21
1. That’s exactly what you hoped for in a game like this, realistically considering the opponent the end result was probably better than what you hoped for, but a wire to wire win that was never in doubt is just what you wanted to see in the final OOC game. Outside of a 4-5 minute stretch halfway through the 1st half Tennessee was really dominant and looked great on both ends, again, just what you hoped for in the final game before SEC play starts.

2. Was great to see Dalton Knecht get back to looking a bit like the player we saw earlier in the year, he looked much more assertive especially in the 1st half than we’ve seen recently from him, he’ll need to continue to bring that. Zeigler again seemingly looked even better and now is starting to resemble the best version of himself that we’ve seen on Rocky Top, he’s seemingly finding his outside shot and is absolutely terrorizing opponents on the defensive end. Some folks may look at his 10 three point attempts and say that’s too many, but I’ve got no problem with it…they’re open shots and we need opponents to respect his shot, not back off of him. He’s also a good enough shooter that hitting them at 35%+ is a great shot, especially considering his struggles around the rim, I would be just fine with 95% of his shots coming from behind the 3pt line.

3. On a night where Jonas Aidoo disappointed, Tobe Awaka sure did not. In 21 minutes he has 10pts 11rbd 3blk 4-6fg and just 1 foul…that is phenomenal production from him and a great job from him avoiding the dumb fouls that usually limit his minutes. I don’t think we can ideally play Aidoo & Awaka together much as it really limits offensive spacing, and both would struggle defensively against 4’s…but it allows you to ride the hot hand, or most effective matchup night to night and that’s a nice luxury to have. There’s a spot for both and you just hope both stay locked in and engaged because their numbers will both be called and having each other is a good thing, not bad.

4. Another guy I thought played well was Jahmai Mashack, he continues to get some of Gainey’s minutes and as Gainey continues to struggle shooting that will likely continue. Obviously Mashack has always brought elite defense, but his offense was a struggle to where it was hard to play both him and JJJ together before, which was where Gainey came into play…but Mashack has shown an improved offensive game and JJJ has as well while Gainey has struggled, so you’re seeing more lineups with Mashack out there now as a result. As long as he continues to play within himself and do what he’s capable and comfortable doing he should continue to have a solid role going forward, he doesn’t have to be great offensively, just stay within his game and then obviously his defense will always be there.

5. You can only take so much from these types of games and seeing as it was the last OOC game of the year it’s a good time to look back on that slate and then look ahead as well. We finish the OOC schedule at 10-3, wins @Wisconsin and H to Illinois are the big highlights, neutral site wins against Syracuse & NCST also look nice. Unlike many teams around the country we avoided any bad losses, in fact our 3 losses are all REALLY good losses…neutral site against Purdue & Kansas and a road game to North Carolina…all 3 currently being Top 13 teams. All that to say that that is a great OOC resume for March, you’ve set yourself up nicely for another high seed as you enter conference play which brings me to my next point.

6. We enter SEC play sitting at 10-3, we have a 18 game SEC slate ahead of us, currently Barttorvik projects us to finish 23-8(13-5), so obviously a 13-5 SEC record to finish out the year is what they’re projecting currently. Obviously it’s a moving target every year and it’s impossible to predict, but that would almost certainly have us firmly in 2 seed territory with an outside shot at a 1 seed/3 seed, so that seems like a solid goal/target point, 13-5 the rest of the way. Per Barttorvik in our first 9 games we are currently favored by 7+ in 6/9…conversely in our final 9 games we are favored by 7+ in 3/9 games, so obviously looking at it through that lens the first half of our schedule is much easier than the back half, we need to take advantage. It would seem like a reasonable expectation to reach that 13-5 would be something like 7-2 in the first half and 6-3 in the back half. We have a good first test with Ole Miss coming to town Saturday, they’re undefeated and ranked, should be a national attraction type game, but analytics aren’t yet sold on the Rebels, being at home this is a game we really need to win and start out the SEC slate with a W.


GBO!!!
Outstanding observations as usual...VFL GBO!
 
#22
#22
Would really like to see more Freddie. If we get him going, it adds more length and driving ability to the offense. Be nice to have him settled in and thriving by February/March.
 
#23
#23
The high level defense was a huge factor. When the offense went cold in the first half, Norfolk was unable to take advantage of it. That’s a recurring theme with Barnes ball. Great defense wins a lot of games but some “fans” can’t tolerate the ugly aspect of it and gripe that it isn’t pretty.
To me, and I know some on here feel differently, an ugly 1-point win means just as much as a stylish 50-point win. It may be a little harder on the heart, but the W doesn't carry an asterisk.
 
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Would really like to see more Freddie. If we get him going, it adds more length and driving ability to the offense. Be nice to have him settled in and thriving by February/March.

I’ll be surprised if Freddie adds a lot this year since he’s lost so much time due to injury. I want to see him get a lot of minutes to prepare him for a huge role in 2024-25. If Gainey’s outside shooting returns, next year looks strong on the perimeter with ZZ, JM, FD, JG, Carr, and MAYBE DJ.
 

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