Burning Worley's redshirt

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AJeray4TN said:
Agree or disagree, what's done is done. Now only time will tell. I'm still a wee bit lost as to how you can summarily categorize "the Worley experiment" as a failure, considering it would be pretty difficult to concieve how a Simms-led team would produce any different on the field results as the Worley-led team did. But to each his or her own I suppose.
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Simms has not scored less than 6 points in any game he has ever started in. That alone is statistical evidence enough for me to believe he would score more than the 3 that Worley had against SC. Simms led teams have had better success running the ball this year. So a better running game plus evidence to support more points would have been scored = we are more competitive against SC which could translate into a win.

Not that hard to conceive imo. I think people get hung up on Matt Simms holding the ball and messing up on some throws but his production (points, TDs, yardage) has not been THAT bad. I too thought Simms was worse that what he is which is why I looked into the matter and educated myself on how Simms really played in all his games.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Oh, so if Worley plays in a Vandy win -- which is still entirely on the table -- then it was a good decision? So in order to make the right decision about Worley, Dooley needed to look in his crystal ball a month ago and have perfect future knowledge about whether Bray's broken thumb would be healed in Week 12 or Week 13?

It's silly to wait until all the results are in and then decide whether to criticize the coach or not. You evaluate the decision -- did he do the right thing at the time, knowing the situation and what the risks were? You don't need to wait for the results to see that. When a team goes for it on 4th and 1, only a loser waits to see what happens before he decides whether it was a good move or not.
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My stance has always been that Worley should not have seen a snap this year unless Simms got injured or was insanely bad against teams he shouldnt be insanely bad against. In my mind it wasnt a good decision at that time. Now some will say it was but thats all relative. All we have to judge is the outcome. The outcome has not been good. Im not really into discussing whether at the time it was good or bad because people can argue either way. Im talking outcomes, results, and facts.
 
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10NCVol88 said:
This is why
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Simms has not scored less than 6 points in any game he has ever started in. That alone is statistical evidence enough for me to believe he would score more than the 3 that Worley had against SC. Simms led teams have had better success running the ball this year. So a better running game plus evidence to support more points would have been scored = we are more competitive against SC which could translate into a win.
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Not to belabor this point, but that's NOT statistical evidence. You are framing your numbers to back up your argument. In the games this season that Simms either started, or played significant minutes, UT scored a total of 12, 7, and 6 points respectively. None of those totals net enough points to beat South Carolina's 14. Your decision to pick 3 as a point of comparison for the SC game is arbitrary considering Simms has not started in a game this season where the team scored more than 14.

And before you say it, yes, I understand he performed better last year. I'm fairly certain that Worley would have also benefited from having Luke Stocker, D Moore, Gerald Jones, a healthy Justin Hunter.
 
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oklavol said:
I will say this about Simms.
He did know when to change the play at the LOS.
The running game was better when he was starting.
Worley has the better arm though.
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he knew to change the play because he's been in the system longer. it's not rocket science, the better a guy knows the playbook the easier it is to check out of bad plays.

Worley did the same exact thing his senior year in HS because he had been in the same system 4 years. He'll be able to audible by the time he's a senior too, if not before
 
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10NCVol88 said:
Nobody has explained why it was good and the people who say it wasnt bad Im assuming they have no real stance.
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I've said it before, can't remember if it was in this thread or not.

But even though the results of Worley starting haven't been good, the results wouldn't have been any different with Simms.

However to me, the biggest plus is that it gets Worley experience now so that if Bray goes down next year our backup will have taken meaningful snaps against some really good competition. If we didn't play JW this year and Bray goes down again next year we are putting a QB who has never played in a game into the starting role.

This will also allow us to definitely RS Peterman next year so that we don't have to burn it and then we can start to build some depth at different positions. So even if Bray goes pro after his Jr year, then Worley will be a Jr and ready to take over and Peterman will be a Freshman and ready to take over after him and so on.

Again, JMO.
 
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volmaniac18 said:
Gonna be brutally honest here but I am a little wishful that UT gets a better QB recruit within this year or next to be the heir to Bray. I'm just not sold on Worley at this point. BUt all that could change with one good offseason.
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We have a pretty good looking prospect committed for the 2012 class right now, Nathan Peterman. He's the #1 rated QB in Florida this year...

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1277744

Bartram Trail quarterback Nathan Peterman made a very impressive move up the list and is now the top ranked quarterback in the state of Florida. He is a very accurate quarterback, who is very smart and makes all of the right decisions on the field. He will continue to develop physically, in turn developing his arm strength to make all the throws at the next level. He is currently committed to the University of Tennessee and I do not see him wavering. Volunteer fans are getting an excellent quarterback prospect and a terrific student-athlete.
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He plays in 5A against some of the best competition in FL and has his team currently in the playoffs (they won again last night).

Here are his regular season stats (keep in mind most games the starters were pulled in the 3rd quarter, otherwise he would have even more impressive numbers)...

138-215, 1819yds, 28TDs, 4INTs

Here's his thread...

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-recruiting/132021-12-fl-qb-nathan-peterman-ut.html

Nathan Peterman - Yahoo! Sports
 
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#185
After tonight's game and seeing the improvement I'm all excited, then Red says

"wouldn't it be great if Worley had never gone in against Bama as a freshman"


Freaking Dooley!!!!
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
After tonight's game and seeing the improvement I'm all excited, then Red says

"wouldn't it be great if Worley had never gone in against Bama as a freshman"


Freaking Dooley!!!!
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MaxamusXIII said:
After tonight's game and seeing the improvement I'm all excited, then Red says

"wouldn't it be great if Worley had never gone in against Bama as a freshman"


Freaking Dooley!!!!
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Just imagine if Dooley would have actually coached Worley up like a coach is supposed to.
 
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