Burning Worley's redshirt

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#151
Volview said:
UT gains a backup QB with starts next year...they lose 2015 with Worley. Better than a fair trade.
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Some people just don't get it. I wouldn't waste anymore kilobytes trying to explain it if I were you. Simms blows and he's out the door this year. Worley now has a few games under his belt. That's an intangible benefit that's impossible to quantify.
 
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NEOCON said:
Just asking what the team gained by it now that it looks like he's sitting back down for the next game and the next two years.

Just asking what the gain was.
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If anything else happens to Bray next year you will understand why. Or do you like having a QB out there with no experience at all in games. This will pay big dividends if Bray ever gets hurt again.
 
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NEOCON said:
Will we feel us good if Bray stays 4 years and after one year with Worley we are back to another new QB who is unproven?
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If we get Bray for 4 years...then AWESOME! I am willing to look for a new QB in 6 years.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
You understand that you're complaining about not having one more year of eligibility for a completely unproven quarterback in 2015, right? That's what you're worried about?
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Exactly. And if TBray doesn't put on some more weight, he totally could get hurt again next against some of these SEC monsters. Now Worley can maybe come in and keep us from sinking if the luck is bad next year because it will not be new to him.
 
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Bray is still somewhat uncertain for Saturday...he is still one play from going out, as he will be next year. I feel much better with Worley having some real-game experience. I just don't give much credit to the idea of saving eligibility for time 4 years away.
 
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You do realize his redshirt wasn't burned. He can redshirt next year, or even the year after. It's not that big of a deal. This has been blown way out of proportion because people don't understand the rule.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Bray is still somewhat uncertain for Saturday...he is still one play from going out, as he will be next year. I feel much better with Worley having some real-game experience. I just don't give much credit to the idea of saving eligibility for time 4 years away.
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Hoarding players' eligibility four years down the road is a luxury this program can't afford right now.

Next year we actually have a chance to compete. Let's say we're right in the middle of the SEC East race next year and Bray goes down in the 2nd half of the Alabama game. How much better will we all feel if Worley trots on the field then, than if it were his first live snaps ever against anyone other than Georgia State?
 
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Gonna be brutally honest here but I am a little wishful that UT gets a better QB recruit within this year or next to be the heir to Bray. I'm just not sold on Worley at this point. BUt all that could change with one good offseason.
 
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All these what ifs to make yourselves feel better. Reality says right now at this point and time the Worley experiment was worthless but I guess people have to have hopes to hold on to.
 
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10NCVol88 said:
All these what ifs to make yourselves feel better. Reality says right now at this point and time the Worley experiment was worthless but I guess people have to have hopes to hold on to.
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Assuming that anything significant will be riding on an extra year of Worley in 2015 is at least as big a what-if as anything that's been posited in this thread.
 
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10NCVol88 said:
All these what ifs to make yourselves feel better. Reality says right now at this point and time the Worley experiment was worthless but I guess people have to have hopes to hold on to.
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You can make a case that is was worthless statistically to start Worley in hindsight. But also in hindsight, what would make you think Simms would fare any better?

Also, don't forget Worley has had some sure TD passes go through his receivers hands as well. Not his fault. I'd be willing to bet Simms wouldn't have been able to make those throws. He can't hit a simple out route.
 
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10NCVol88 said:
All these what ifs to make yourselves feel better. Reality says right now at this point and time the Worley experiment was worthless but I guess people have to have hopes to hold on to.
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That's not reality--that's just some fans, yourself included, dealing in absolutes where none exist.

Guess what? You sound just as clueless as the people claiming that playing Worley was a success.

-The ACTUAL REALITY is that nobody knows.
-The ACTUAL REALITY is that we now have a backup QB with experience.
-The ACTUAL REALITY is that not a single person on this board has any clue what the landscape of this program will look like 4 years from now.
 
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Cheese Donkey said:
You can make a case that is was worthless statistically to start Worley in hindsight. But also in hindsight, what would make you think Simms would fare any better?

Also, don't forget Worley has had some sure TD passes go through his receivers hands as well. Not his fault. I'd be willing to bet Simms wouldn't have been able to make those throws. He can't hit a simple out route.
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Simms has not scored less than 6 points in any game he has ever started in. That alone is statistical evidence enough for me to believe he would score more than the 3 that Worley had. Simms led teams have had better success running the ball this year. So a better running game plus evidence to support more points would have been scored = we are more competitive against SC which could translate into a win.
 
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I honestly don't care if we burned his redshirt. He'll never be the legitimate starter anyway.
 
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AJeray4TN said:
That's not reality--that's just some fans, yourself included, dealing in absolutes where none exist.

Guess what? You sound just as clueless as the people claiming that playing Worley was a success.

-The ACTUAL REALITY is that nobody knows.
-The ACTUAL REALITY is that we now have a backup QB with experience.
-The ACTUAL REALITY is that not a single person on this board has any clue what the landscape of this program will look like 4 years from now.
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I have said if Worley plays against Vandy and wins that said experiment would not be worthless. I have said you can not truly know the worth until after next year. Sure nobody truly knows because we dont know the future. I have said that all we can go off of is the games he has played. From said games the result was not good. Those not good results translate into a current statement of the Worley experiment was a fail. That is about as plainly as I can put it for you guys.

You can nick pick at my word choice all day and your reality can be different from mine for all i care, but i have explained my position. Nobody has explained why it was good and the people who say it wasnt bad Im assuming they have no real stance. If you have no real stance its because you dont know the future. If you simply look at the info we have right now then you get the result that the Worley experiment was not successful. Sure that can change based on future events. Never said it was a permanent fail. I said it is a current fail. People are putting my comments in an absolute box when I never said that was the case.
 
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Agree or disagree, what's done is done. Now only time will tell. I'm still a wee bit lost as to how you can summarily categorize "the Worley experiment" as a failure, considering it would be pretty difficult to concieve how a Simms-led team would produce any different on the field results as the Worley-led team did. But to each his or her own I suppose.
 
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crusse10 said:
I honestly don't care if we burned his redshirt. He'll never be the legitimate starter anyway.
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That could very well be the case. That's why I find it pretty astonishing that people are getting their panties in a twist over this.
 
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10NCVol88 said:
I have said if Worley plays against Vandy and wins that said experiment would not be worthless. I have said you can not truly know the worth until after next year. Sure nobody truly knows because we dont know the future. I have said that all we can go off of is the games he has played. From said games the result was not good. Those not good results translate into a current statement of the Worley experiment was a fail. That is about as plainly as I can put it for you guys.

You can nick pick at my word choice all day and your reality can be different from mine for all i care, but i have explained my position. Nobody has explained why it was good and the people who say it wasnt bad Im assuming they have no real stance. If you have no real stance its because you dont know the future. If you simply look at the info we have right now then you get the result that the Worley experiment was not successful. Sure that can change based on future events. Never said it was a permanent fail. I said it is a current fail. People are putting my comments in an absolute box when I never said that was the case.
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Oh, so if Worley plays in a Vandy win -- which is still entirely on the table -- then it was a good decision? So in order to make the right decision about Worley, Dooley needed to look in his crystal ball a month ago and have perfect future knowledge about whether Bray's broken thumb would be healed in Week 12 or Week 13?

It's silly to wait until all the results are in and then decide whether to criticize the coach or not. You evaluate the decision -- did he do the right thing at the time, knowing the situation and what the risks were? You don't need to wait for the results to see that. When a team goes for it on 4th and 1, only a loser waits to see what happens before he decides whether it was a good move or not.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Bray is still somewhat uncertain for Saturday...he is still one play from going out, as he will be next year. I feel much better with Worley having some real-game experience. I just don't give much credit to the idea of saving eligibility for time 4 years away.
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I really don't want him knocked out of the Vanderbilt game. The way we deflated from Hunter we do NOT need that tomorrow.
 
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