Bush Predicts GOP Will Hold White House

[615 Vol]

McCain is leading in the latest national polls. Couple that with 6 more months of Iraq turning into a gold mine for the GOP, and I believe your statement is in fact 180 degrees off course.


This thing??? By thing, I assume you mean the remarkable military feat that has been engineered by General Petraeus and Lieutenant Colonel Nagl...

No, Obama is still leading.

 

[615 Vol]

I think Obama has peaked very early and has yet to see the rancor of a two party debate.

He has been running against another Dem who has be sensitive to completely tearing apart his lack of any credentials and his history.

The "empty suit" stuff has just begun and will get rolling in full force soon.

I know the conventional wisdom currently says Obama can win while Hillary is more of a push with McCain, but I fully believe that Obama is the easier of the two candidates for the Republicans to defeat.

That experience argument worked great for Al Gore against Bush too. :ermm: Oh wait, Gore won, so you might be on to something.

 

[615 Vol]

I agree with BPV. I will only add that you will see nothing negative about Obama from the mainstream press when the presidential election run kicks in. These people are practically drooling over him.

So, you mean any channel other than FoxNews on TV? I guess talk radio isn't considered "mainstream" either. :blink:

 

[therealUT]

No, Obama is still leading.

Negative. The very latest national poll to be published, has McCain beating Obama 44-42 and beating Hillary 46-40. The poll was conducted by Bloomberg and published today in the L.A. Times.

 

[OrangeWilly]

I think it is brilliant by both Obama and McCain to make this a two horse race. Today for example...Obama comments about strategy in Iraq, McCain calls out Obama on Iraq....Obama fires back.

I believe McCain wants Obama to get the nomination. Thus he has taken Billary out of the discussion and out of the public eye. All day in the news its been McCain V. Obama, and Obama is too happy to oblige. Its a fairly interesting strategy. Not so sure I agree with it but interesting nonetheless.

 

[iceman9]

So, you mean any channel other than FoxNews on TV? I guess talk radio isn't considered "mainstream" either. :blink:

In comparison to ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSN, and the majority of the print press. I think most think of Fox, and conservative talk radio as outside the mainstream. Your kidding yourself if you don't think Obama hasn't been protected, even Hillary has felt the bite, when she has attacked Obama of late.

 

[iceman9]

I think it is brilliant by both Obama and McCain to make this a two horse race. Today for example...Obama comments about strategy in Iraq, McCain calls out Obama on Iraq....Obama fires back.

I believe McCain wants Obama to get the nomination. Thus he has taken Billary out of the discussion and out of the public eye. All day in the news its been McCain V. Obama, and Obama is too happy to oblige. Its a fairly interesting strategy. Not so sure I agree with it but interesting nonetheless.

What I found interesting was Obama say as Commander and Chief, reserved the right to back into Iraq to attack Al-Qaeda. Why pull them out, just to send them right back in.

 

[therealUT]

Ice you have to understand that HOPE requires CHANGE and CHANGE requires ACTION.

I do HOPE I have cleared that up for you.

 

[OrangeWilly]

What I found interesting was Obama say as Commander and Chief, reserved the right to back into Iraq to attack Al-Qaeda. Why pull them out, just to send them right back in.

He is just trying to show that he is not a total softy when it comes to foreign policy...something that McCain will try to paint him as. I view all of that as pillow talk anyway.

 

[iceman9]

Ice you have to understand that HOPE requires CHANGE and CHANGE requires ACTION.

I do HOPE I have cleared that up for you.

I'm so glad your around for me, I reserve the right come back and ask questions later. I could change my mind on the today's change dealing with yesterday's change.

 

[iceman9]

He is just trying to show that he is not a total softy when it comes to foreign policy...something that McCain will try to paint him as. I view all of that as pillow talk anyway.

Agreed, just thought here he is backing up already, and the debate showed weakness in both last night.

 

[BigPapaVol]

That experience argument worked great for Al Gore against Bush too. :ermm: Oh wait, Gore won, so you might be on to something.

It's a much harder argument when a guy has twice been the governor of one of the largest states in the union. Governors are Chief Executives, single term congressmen (who skip enormous numbers of actual votes), not so much.

 

[TennTradition]

I could live with a McCain victory...

 

[TennTradition]

Negative. The very latest national poll to be published, has McCain beating Obama 44-42 and beating Hillary 46-40. The poll was conducted by Bloomberg and published today in the L.A. Times.

Hasn't this been the case for quite a while for McCain? McCain always faired very well against both Clinton and Obama....for different reasons...but always faired very well.

 

[DAVOL]

Negative. The very latest national poll to be published, has McCain beating Obama 44-42 and beating Hillary 46-40. The poll was conducted by Bloomberg and published today in the L.A. Times.

I don't know about you but for me one poll doesn't mean much so I took all polls done in the last two weeks 7 polls in all and the results when averaged
Sen. McCain 42.4% to Sen Obamas 47.8% so I'm pretty sure overall Obama is more popular at this time than McCain but keep dreaming everybody's gotta dream.:birgits_giggle:
Here you can do the math yourself if you want.
WH2008: General
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[DAVOL]

It's a much harder argument when a guy has twice been the governor of one of the largest states in the union. Governors are Chief Executives, single term congressmen (who skip enormous numbers of actual votes), not so much.

Texas has one of the if not the weakest governorships in the country.
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[therealUT]

I don't know about you but for me one poll doesn't mean much so I took all polls done in the last two weeks 7 polls in all and the results when averaged
Sen. McCain 42.4% to Sen Obamas 47.8% so I'm pretty sure overall Obama is more popular at this time than McCain but keep dreaming everybody's gotta dream.:birgits_giggle:
Here you can do the math yourself if you want.
WH2008: General
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You do understand that in November they are not going to average anything. These polls do their best to capture moments in time and, at the time, McCain was leading. You can question their sampling methods all you want, however, then you have to go ahead and question the other polls (since they all use random sampling techniques) in which case you would have absolutely no argument.

 

[TheGimp]

Obama will beat McCain...badly.

 

[The Dude]

Couple that with 6 more months of Iraq turning into a gold mine for the GOP, and I believe your statement is in fact 180 degrees off course.

So we're going to find all those hidden WMDs, a pre-9/11 connection of Al Qaeda and Saddam, or are we going to find OBL in Iraq?

 

[utvolpj]

Obama will beat McCain...badly.

and the US will take 1 more step toward becoming France. Hooray :ermm:

 

[therealUT]

So we're going to find all those hidden WMDs, a pre-9/11 connection of Al Qaeda and Saddam, or are we going to find OBL in Iraq?

Is any of this relevant? While you were too busy hating GWB for beating Nobel Peace Prize recipient Al Gore, Jr. in the 2000 election, here are some things that have been accomplished:
The US removed the Taliban from Afghanistan, and gave the country back to an incredibly proud people with a tremendously beautiful culture.
The US removed Saddam Hussein from power and is spearheading a movement to form secular, representative government in the heart of a theocratic and oppressive region.
And, most of the riff-raff has been cleared from NOLA...:whistling:

I love how people always try to bring up the argument about pre-war intel and analysis, yet, when they are called on it, they either change the focus of the argument or quit the argument all together...


http://www.volnation.com/forum/politics/44354-heisman-pose-4.html#post1241839

 

[volinbham]

A reminder of what democrats were saying about pre-war intelligence:

Freedom Agenda - Quotes and Facts on Iraq

However, this is largely irrelevant at this time. The real question for each candidate is not what did you think then but what do you think now?

It will be interesting how each answers.

 

[The Dude]

Is any of this relevant? While you were too busy hating GWB for beating Nobel Peace Prize recipient Al Gore, Jr. in the 2000 election, here are some things that have been accomplished:
The US removed the Taliban from Afghanistan, and gave the country back to an incredibly proud people with a tremendously beautiful culture.
The US removed Saddam Hussein from power and is spearheading a movement to form secular, representative government in the heart of a theocratic and oppressive region.
And, most of the riff-raff has been cleared from NOLA...:whistling:

I love how people always try to bring up the argument about pre-war intel and analysis, yet, when they are called on it, they either change the focus of the argument or quit the argument all together...

Yes its relevant. I don't see how either party can make a mistake like Iraq a "gold mine." Justice for 9/11 would be a gold mine.

I voted for Bush is 2000, but nice speculation. You're a regular Miss Cleo.

I had my say on the pre-war intellegence. Granted it was wrong anyway, Bush distorted the evidence that Saddam was going to attack, prompting war. Its unfortunate we're in a position where our intel is not creditable and gets distortd. That being said, finding OBL should have and needs to be a top priority, even over the country building in Iraq.

I never "changed the focus" of my argument in that thread, sorry. I again had my say on the issues and that's that.

 

[MG1968]

Bush never claimed Iraq posed an imminent threat. Go back and listen to his speech or read a transcript of it.

 

[therealUT]

Yes its relevant. I don't see how either party can make a mistake like Iraq a "gold mine." Justice for 9/11 would be a gold mine.

I voted for Bush is 2000, but nice speculation. You're a regular Miss Cleo.

I had my say on the pre-war intellegence. Granted it was wrong anyway, Bush distorted the evidence that Saddam was going to attack, prompting war. Its unfortunate we're in a position where our intel is not creditable and gets distortd. That being said, finding OBL should have and needs to be a top priority, even over the country building in Iraq.

I never "changed the focus" of my argument in that thread, sorry. I again had my say on the issues and that's that.

No, it is not relevant and feel free to ask the Iraqis if our intervention is a mistake.

Has someone ever stated that this has not been the top priority? You have apparently bought into the media view that more troops is the way to go in Afghanistan. Sorry, but to find OBL and the other AQ leaders we must enlist the support of plenty of players in Afghanistan. These players do not get real warm and fuzzies about a huge troop buildup in their country. They experienced that with the USSR and the Soviets betrayed them. They are incredibly skeptical of foreigners on their land. I assure you that the 75th Ranger Regiment, the ODA's, and Seal Team Six are handling the situation very well.