Bush Warns Of 'holocaust' If Iran Gets Nukes

#151
#151
CSpindizzy said:
Better trained, experienced, armed, organized, and growing in recruits on a daily basis. Despite what you think a group does not need to be in control of a government to have power. Read up on history. Plenty of examples of this. Study insurgencies. A good example in Afghanistan? USSR's invasion. You see the Mujaheddin did not have a government. But yet they managed to crush a massive invasion of conventional means. Another example...Hizbollah. Odd how a group of guerillas managed to push out probably the world's best military and still keep the bargaining chip Israel swore to reclaim.

Again, fact, reality, or whatever one wants to call it overrules your fantasy world. But keep trying. One day you might catch on.

How's that answer on Iraq coming? Still looking for fact to back up your claim? I'll give you more time if need be. But don't take too long. Claims with no fact to back them up don't take that long do they?
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I've read most of your posts in this thread. They have been well thought out, articulate, rationale, and easy to follow. I can't say the same about some of the people disagreeing with you.
 
#152
#152
oklavol said:
I've read most of your posts in this thread. They have been well thought out, articulate, rationale, and easy to follow. I can't say the same about some of the people disagreeing with you.
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Shhh....you're supposed to be booing me off the stage. :p

But thank you....
 
#153
#153
oklavol said:
I've read most of your posts in this thread. They have been well thought out, articulate, rationale, and easy to follow. I can't say the same about some of the people disagreeing with you.
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3 cheers for Oklavol. A post in the politics forum where he did not mention Bush. :clapping:You can do it.
 
#154
#154
Hmmmmm....Hizoballah equals Syria plain and simple. Israel was not pushed they were not allowed and maybe did not want to do the things the would have to to achieve victory. They would have had to kill many civilians to get it done. They had killed too many already in their minds and the numbers would have been off the chart if they continued. Thus, like I said we are playing by a different rulebook.

As for the Taliban, they have had a resurgence since moving to gorilla/terror tactics but there numbers have not increased past what they were pre-invasion. They are fighting a shadow war now. Elections are held and progress is made painfully. But, what do you suppose we do? You cannot hunt down operatives in civilian clothes unless you are willing to have civilian casualties. This has been and is a continued tactic of Muslim extremist. What do you think we should do about it? There is a terrorist organization in Pakistan known as the Taliban, there members have no association to the Taliban in Afghanistan. They named themselves this to respect the fallen organization and idolize it.

As far as your its more powerful to be the well armed underdog rather than the king, it seems you can say anything and spin it. Thus, no victory will ever be enough. According to you, we have failed in Iraq because people still kill each other there, maybe they would kill less if they were not aware that cowards would use it as political spin here to gain political power here. In Iraq civilians are killing civilians. They are not going after military targets.

We have won and all we have to do is stay and see it through. Ask the soldiers if they feel it is not progressing in Iraq. CNN is far too scared to do this on a large scale. They may grab a couple of drop out losers and pretend there opinion is the opinion of the military there but it is BS. Go to any military bar in America and you will hear stories about how what we are doing is worth it. You will here stories of grateful Iraqis and that it was not as dangerous as the media suggest. I do not know what response you are looking for, I am guessing you want to focus on WMD or some other spin BS. Yeah we went in and if we do not find WMD it is a failure. Once, again I am sure glad you are not in charge. :victory:
 
#155
#155
Hizbollah is actually supported by Syria and Iran. And Israel was not pushed and not allowed? They invaded plain and simple. They invaded and attacked and shelled Beirut and other areas. Little ol' Hizbollah forced Israel to back down. And they did not want to do what it would take to achieve victory? Wow. Not the Israel I know. Sounds like another leadership expecting a quick and easy war and hoping the people (who elected Hizbollah by the way) would embrace this democracy we're imposing.

The Taliban's numbers have not increased? Then you disagree with those NATO and US advisers in the region because they say likewise when not pressured by bureacrats to say otherwise. The Taliban in Pakistan is for the most part the same ones we failed to pursue in Afghanistan. We let them get away and they have regrouped and regrown. As another example, watch the videos of Zawahiri. Notice the high tech quality of the videos. They are western television studio quality. They have modern lighting, dubbing, graphics on the screen, and the backdrop is by far not representative of a small peasant band on the run. Somehow this group we 'removed' from Afghanistan has better propaganda and means to deliver it than before 9/11.

I'm still not seeing the proof you need to back up your claim about Iraq. We've won but yet you offer nothing to prove it. The situation on infrastructure is the same or worse than before the invasion. Ethnic conflict is FAR worse than it was before we invaded. Terrorists don't have a single camp (pre-invasion) but now have the means to train in life-like conditions and actually kill Americans while training. Iran has a distraction to pursue their own agenda. They also have the means to train their tactics and weapons against the US. Killings are constant. Tens of thousands of Iraqis have fled the country creating humanitarian issues in other nations. But somehow we've won. What? You won't say.

Yes, I've heard stories of how well the soldiers are doing. Yes. You're right. They are all doing the best they can and have excelled at it. But beyond their tasks politicians (the ones whose policies you defend) are mucking it up with crap policies. Don't believe me? Is that why Rumsfeld is gone? What about needing a surge and taking 4 years to enact it? For every story you hear in a bar, I've heard many more to the contrary. I've gone to a few funerals. I still keep in touch with those in that I served with years ago. I'm not one of these bloggers who are out of touch. I have also seen firsthand. Can you say the same? Have you served in the military? Have you been to the region? Have YOU seen firsthand?

And while you blast my position, you cannot even back yours up. I've been waiting two days now for you to tell me why you think we won. All you can do is call me names and make poor attempts to discredit me. Back up your own claim guy....
 
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#158
OrangeEmpire said:
Things will be a lot worse before any one can claim we are near the last days.

I know a lot of people who think 2008 will be a defining moment because of the Bible's reference to a generation will pass.

Keep waiting people, your great, great, great, great grandchildren will not see Christ's return.
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I haven't even gotten my barcode yet.
 
#161
#161
CSpindizzy said:
Odd how we keep seeing this same thing every two years. And even more odd that Clinton tactic of diplomacy is what W is using. Odd. I'll believe it when I see it as well.
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If W does well we compare it to Clinton, odd. And Korea is a success. S. Koreans as people with their culture, work ethic, and Christian morality has already made it worth it. Odd, I thought you said you were not a Clinton guy. How about a comparison to Reagan. I think he is the one who mastered the art of handling communist regimes. Everyone else just need copy. :thumbsup:
 
#162
#162
Yes. Because W used that worthless Clinton tactic of diplomacy rather than taking it to them. Strange how doing that in North Korea finally is yielding positive results after over 50 years but yet Iraq we went in guns blazing and yielded very poor results. No I'm not a Clinton guy. But it was you who said Clinton's tactics were poor but yet those same methods are what is yielding the best results. Your argument has failed. I don't think we can credit our own selves with the success of South Korea. I'm not sure where Christian morality comes in since it is a minority belief. Fine. We will go with Reagan. How many nations did Reagan invade? How many nations did he choose diplomacy and economics to deal with?
 
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#163
Uh, Yeah my argument has failed. Um tell me since you just invent my arguments for me. What was my argument?
I said in an early post that tactics that work on communist regimes are futile against Islamic ones. Islam has been operating for over a thousand years. It is not going to implode on itself. I cannot expect you to remember that far back though, so continue Frenchy tell me how it is:salute:.
 
#164
#164
You're right. Flip flopping and dodging questions does make it harder to follow those incoherent rumblings from you. Rummy, just sit back and enjoy the retirement. The world is much better off now that you're not running the show. History has proven you wrong and we can now all sleep safe and secure.
 
#165
#165
:zeitung_lesen:Wondering how long this is going to continue so I'll continue reading
 
#166
#166
You must idolize Clinton. Here I have neither flipped or flopped. You have ignored some of your most ignorant comments once I rebut them. You say I flip flop but cannot really point to a legit flip nor flop. You misquote me and pretend you positions is sound and secure. Maybe you are confused. We are not running for an office Frenchy. You could try to have an honest discussion, foreign as that thought is to you. Or, you can continue to do things I am pretty sure you know to be dishonest and Clinton like sneaky. :good!:
 
#168
#168
Hmmm...repeatedly stating I do not idolize or like Clinton but yet he repeatedly claims I do....actually he keeps repeating the incoherent and factless statements over and over. Keeps claiming the other side is wrong and he is right but history proves otherwise. Keeps blaming any failures on Clinton. Keeps claiming everything in Iraq is wonderful and that we won.Dubya? Is that you?
I've tried an honest discussion. I flat out asked you repeatedly about your original claim. I asked you over and over to show me how Iraq was the right thing to do and how we've won. You've digressed off to Clinton, Korea, Japan, South America, French comments, etc. You've literally gone all over the map with your answers but yet to actually back up your original point.
 
#169
#169
They have me laughing too. It's really funny how they make no sense but yet he keeps using it over and over. It's clear this guy has no clue on foreign policy and resorts to calling names instead of backing up his original point. Sad. No Child Left Behind fails yet again.
 
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