Butch gets a Top 5 Win

[GOATeric14berry]

I say we were orange pants every game and lets keep the pink to. If it ain't broke

 

[oregonvol]

Florida had not fallen yet when we played them, in fact we are the team that took them down.. they never recovered from the injuries in that game.. And if the same people doubting him now hadn't thrown such a hissy fit over QB he would not have had to start peterman... and we all know that would have been a much different game had he not been forced to do that.

This is fascinating to me. You actually believe that Butch allowed the fans to dictate who he started at QB and he started Peterman (who was clearly ill prepared and ill suited to play against even a minor opponent) at the Swamp purely due to fan pressure? Wow.

And you say this as if it were some kind of defense for the guy!

If that were actually the case, if he actually did cave to fan pressure by his 4th game and start someone who he was in the best position of anyone to determine was clearly not ready, then how on earth would you expect him to ever make it at this level? That would have been the very definition of incompetence.

 

[Vol8188]

It's amazing how some of you seem to forget we played Vandy with our 3rd string qb and without our best wr.

 

[GOATeric14berry]

It's amazing how some of you seem to forget we played Vandy with our 3rd string qb and without our best wr.

Kentucky laughs at ur arguement

 

[sjt18]

It's amazing how some of you seem to forget we played Vandy with our 3rd string qb and without our best wr.

It is also amazing how people tend to exaggerate things when it suits them. Dobbs was named by the coaches, not me, as the "co-back up". Can you cite a single depth chart that showed him 3 and Ferguson 2? Speculation does not trump what the coaches announce publicly. By that time, Dobbs had already started vs two opponents better than Vandy. He actually did some nice things vs Auburn. PLUS they had two weeks to get him ready.

North was injured during the game. If you reach the 11th game of the season and have not developed more than one WR to make plays against VANDY! with the injuries THEY had in their secondary that game... then that is STILL on the coaches.

It isn't that we've forgotten any of those things... we just reject them as excuses when taken in full context.

 

[sjt18]

I think this season's schedule is at least as difficult as last season's. Our OOC schedule is much tougher than last seasons top to bottom and Florida is bound to improve. UGA and Mizzou will probably take a slight step back (probably Vandy too) and Ole Miss is an easier draw than Auburn. However, Ole Miss is no pushover: they beat LSU last season as return pretty much everything.

I don't think UF is "bound" to improve as long as Muschamp is their HC. He looks to be just that bad.

I don't expect UGA to take much of a step back if any unless they are hit with injuries that way again which would be weird.

I expect Mizzou to take a step back unless the stars somehow align again causing all of their best opponents to lose key players before playing them.

Vandy should be worse. They lost good players and have a coaching change that won't be easy.

Ole Miss has talent but nowhere near Auburn last year.

But it's hard to compare USU, Arky State, and UTC to last season's AP, WKU, and USA. OU could likely be better than Oregan last season.

The three lower level opponents are better than last year. I do not think OU will be better than Oregon was and the style match up should be kinder to UT.

They key to getting a bowl game will be beating one of Mizzou, USCe, UF, or UGA. I think the chances of that are about as even as last season.

I think the chances of beating Mizzou and even USCe should be better. Hopefully they won't be psyched out by UF and will have a shot in that one too. Barring UGA injuries or an outright collapse by Richt (which will probably come some day), the game in Athens will be a tough one.

 

[sjt18]

So does being "outrun and outquicked" mean slower or faster? Your post seems contradicting......As fast, but outrun,etc. So your saying we where slower at the positions assigned? right?

I am acknowledging that there were TWO issues at play with one being the critical difference between being a bad D and being an "average" D. Last year's D did not have top tier speed or quickness. But they WERE faster, quicker, more athletic than Vandy and Mizzou who outperformed them. They outperformed them because they were very well coached. They were in position to make plays and played their assignments.

There was nothing immediate that the coaches could do about having less than stellar athletes across the board last fall. Their job was to have the athletes they did have in position to make plays on a consistent basis. You cannot watch many games last year and particularly the Mizzou game without recognizing that guys were constantly out of position, giving up leverage, and missing assignments.

It didn't help either that McCullers continued to play even while AJ had to toss the guy out of his lap before pursuing the ball on a regular basis.

 

[AV_12]

Let's not forget about Worley throwing up YOLO balls on a few third and longs to North..


Marquez North against South Carolina (2013) - YouTube

 

[UGADawg4Life]

It was a great win. But, if you are going to count it as a "top 5 win" (and I agree, it should be counted that way), then you don't get to count the Florida loss as a loss to a top 25 team, as most on here like to do.

I think they're the ranking that they were when you played them. We were a better team at the beginning of the season than we were after all of the injuries. Just MHO.:hi:

 

[Neyland Law Vol]

Butch Gets IT!

 

[JOEY'S ALL VOL !!!]

Florida had not fallen yet when we played them, in fact we are the team that took them down.. they never recovered from the injuries in that game.. And if the same people doubting him now hadn't thrown such a hissy fit over QB he would not have had to start peterman... and we all know that would have been a much different game had he not been forced to do that.

And vandy was not the pushover many of you would try to press on the rest of us...

The USC win overshadows both of those losses by a large amount.. both of the losses were against teams chosen very close to us in the points margin.. but the win was against a team that was supposed to destroy us..

One of the most ridiculous posts in a long line of ridiculous posts in VN history.

 

[ajvol01]

It's the SEC. The schedule is always going to be hard. That can't be a perpetual excuse.

Yeah you're right.

2009 UCLA >>>>> 2013 Oregon

Kiffin had it tougher :crazy:

 

[ImportedVoL]

I don't understand how it is possible to be so negative towards CBJ when he got a signature win in year one, with pretty much half of a team.

For the last three years that is all we heard about, signature win, signature win.. thats what we need to turn the ship around.. blah blah blah...

CBJ comes in a does it in year one, Not just a decently ranked team like everyone was going on about... but a TOP 5 ranked team. And it wasn't because the other team had some meltdown, Like UF did after we cause some key injuries to them that they could never recover from.. USC fought hard and gave it there all and we took out the trash and came out on top.

Not to mention the fact we were 1cm away from doing the same to UGA.. I still dont understand how that was not a TD. Every other play in history that happened like that was ruled a TD, but of course the Refs go against UT in predictable fashion and ROB the team of a win they deserved, and a bowl game for that matter...

Simple fact is... CBJ can recruit, CBJ CAN coach...and the Negavols(Oh I am sorry.."Realists") need to stop with the doubt and start enjoying the ride...

IMO they wont have a choice after this year when we win 8... and a 9th after a Bowl win.. Doubt it all you want, But it is going to happen..

The train is picking up speed.. get on now or get left behind!!!

 

[Vol8188]

It is also amazing how people tend to exaggerate things when it suits them. Dobbs was named by the coaches, not me, as the "co-back up". Can you cite a single depth chart that showed him 3 and Ferguson 2? Speculation does not trump what the coaches announce publicly. By that time, Dobbs had already started vs two opponents better than Vandy. He actually did some nice things vs Auburn. PLUS they had two weeks to get him ready.

North was injured during the game. If you reach the 11th game of the season and have not developed more than one WR to make plays against VANDY! with the injuries THEY had in their secondary that game... then that is STILL on the coaches.

It isn't that we've forgotten any of those things... we just reject them as excuses when taken in full context.

When did I say Ferg was 2? Peterman was clearly the second string qb, that's why he started at Florida.

Which makes Dobbs third.

 

[Vol8188]

Kentucky laughs at ur arguement

Yes, because beating Dooley counts.

 

[ImportedVoL]

One of the most ridiculous posts in a long line of ridiculous posts in VN history.

I would love to hear some reasons behind your position.. but wait that's hard..

So much easier to just make fun of someone you disagree with then actually debating the points.

Quality post there from someone who is supposedly ALL VOL!!! :lolabove:

 

[oregonvol]

I think they're the ranking that they were when you played them. We were a better team at the beginning of the season than we were after all of the injuries. Just MHO.:hi:

No, that's my point. South Carolina was ranked somewhere around #11 (IIRC) when we played them. They finished the season in the top 5. So, if we're counting wins/losses based on where teams finished, then we need to do so with the Florida game too.

 

[JOEY'S ALL VOL !!!]

I would love to hear some reasons behind your position.. but wait that's hard..

So much easier to just make fun of someone you disagree with then actually debating the points.

Quality post there from someone who is supposedly ALL VOL!!! :lolabove:

Here you go.....


A - Worst UF team (offensively especially) in almost 2 decades even before we played them

B - We didn't take anybody down, we lost. Even with their injuries and them trying their best to give us the win, we still lost.

C - Anybody in their right mind that had faith in Butch Jones would no longer have faith in him if they seriously thought he started one player over another (especially at QB) because of fan pressure.

D - The fans don't force Butch Jones to do anything. The day Butch Jones starts one player over another because of what a few vocal although moronic fans want is the day he should join the ranks of the unemployed.

 

[Boca Vol]

So at this moment Coach Zo has a top 5 win in basketball with the Vols beating #5 ranked UVA earlier this year and 90% of Vol fans want him gone.

I guess the moral to this story is if you pick out a single moment you make it look good or bad...depending on the moment. It's a much better idea to look at the entire body of work over a few years Is the team improving? Are they more competitive? etc.

 

[Neyland Law Vol]

So at this moment Coach Zo has a top 5 win in basketball with the Vols beating #5 ranked UVA earlier this year and 90% of Vol fans want him gone.

I guess the moral to this story is if you pick out a single moment you make it look good or bad...depending on the moment. It's a much better idea to look at the entire body of work over a few years Is the team improving? Are they more competitive? etc.

Basketball and football are competely different sports. Its much easier (as you can see from the NCAA tournament each year) for a team to pull an upset in basketball than in football. Bad comparison.

Butch. Gets. It.

 

[Burger]

It is also amazing how people tend to exaggerate things when it suits them. Dobbs was named by the coaches, not me, as the "co-back up". Can you cite a single depth chart that showed him 3 and Ferguson 2? Speculation does not trump what the coaches announce publicly. By that time, Dobbs had already started vs two opponents better than Vandy. He actually did some nice things vs Auburn. PLUS they had two weeks to get him ready.

North was injured during the game. If you reach the 11th game of the season and have not developed more than one WR to make plays against VANDY! with the injuries THEY had in their secondary that game... then that is STILL on the coaches.

It isn't that we've forgotten any of those things... we just reject them as excuses when taken in full context.

You can coach all you want, but if your players aren't executing it all goes for null. We had a bad team, a very bad team... We have that much catching up to do.

Don't judge something before you see the whole thing. You could really miss something great.

 

[Neyland Law Vol]

Hope TN can beat USC again this year in Columbia, and add to it a win over Vandy and Mizzu, plus the 3 OOC teams and UK. Would be a solid season.

 

[drodvol]

So I am the negavol but you are the guy taking shots at the players? Gotcha. I am a UT fan... not a Jones fan. I am only a Jones fan as an extension of being a Vol fan and only in as much as he helps the Vols to become great again. If you want to get your feelings hurt because I think Vol success is more important than some blind allegiance to Jones or any other coach... then tough.

That is a false statement about the QB's. All four have legit SEC talent if they get good support around them and good coaching. I actually think the O will come along.

The second statement is ridiculously false. At a very bare minimum, UT's D was more talented and as fast as Vandy and Mizzou. Both of those teams though were well coached and performed well. Were they "fast" as SEC D's go? Absolutely not. Were they anything like as slow as you claim? Absolutely not. Let's boil it down to this. They were beaten FAR more because they were out of position than because they were just outrun, outquicked, or overpowered.

Spot on post :good!: