Butch Jones and minority coaches

#127
#127
VolsRule said:
UT should have offered a lot more money to get Tee to leave LA.
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Don't think the money was the issue. I think Tee has this love fest with Kiffin.

He played UT, and stiffed us. I, for one, am glad he is not here after finding out how he really is.

I appreciated what Tee did for UT when he played here, but as far as I am concerned, he has chosen not to be a VFL. He can have Kiffin and all the baggage that goes with him. We have better coaches. We don't need him.
 
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SmartVolFan said:
:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:

Most on this board will need to use the dictionary to discover the definition of "acumen".

Even more disturbing is that most on this board will not know what a 'dictionary' is...
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Triple click with my macbook. :loco: I is smart
 
#133
#133
Would u be having this conversation if strong came no.... his staff would be all black but no one would call it out n say why is it all black when most of the sec at least 3 other colors or race... wtf.. just like Obama he has a token white VP but he tries to put as many black people in high power positions just like white Pres have with white people... r we complaining no because it doesn't matter..

Now if this staff can only recruit white guys then yes it becomes an issue.....lol
 
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92volalum said:
Would u be having this conversation if strong came no.... his staff would be all black but no one would call it out n say why is it all black when most of the sec at least 3 other colors or race... wtf.. just like Obama he has a token white VP but he tries to put as many black people in high power positions just like white Pres have with white people... r we complaining no because it doesn't matter..

Now if this staff can only recruit white guys then yes it becomes an issue.....lol
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Yeah, plus minority coaches eat too much
 
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#136
I still don't get it.

If the family of a prospect (or the prospect) uses race to judge the credibility of a coach, should the school be complicit in this action?

I say he** no! We need to hire coaches based on character and ability regardless of race.

If we expose our kids to high-character leadership maybe the race issue can be mitigated. Maybe the change in the kid can create a positive change in the kid's family. That might be better than another championship season.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
CBJ need to bring in Tee Martin because he's a damn good coach, not because he is black.

What recruits want to do is WIN. You can have a staff full of minorities, but if you dont win, nobody will come here.
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Love Tee, but didn't CBJ already try to land him and he declined?
 
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T_man_J said:
I still don't get it.

If the family of a prospect (or the prospect) uses race to judge the credibility of a coach, should the school be complicit in this action?

I say he** no! We need to hire coaches based on character and ability regardless of race.

If we expose our kids to high-character leadership maybe the race issue can be mitigated. Maybe the change in the kid can create a positive change in the kid's family. That might be better than another championship season.
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I don't argue with your position of hiring high character (and coaches with a reputation for winning) so let's be clear on that.

When you say: "I still don't get it.

If the family of a prospect (or the prospect) uses race to judge the credibility of a coach, should the school be complicit in this action?"

You're very likely 100% right, YOU DON"T GET IT because you haven't lived the life of a minority kid. Nor endured the near daily overt and covert reminders that you're "something" different and "not" like "us" and inferior to boot.

When I lived in the Southwestern states years ago, I worked with Native Americans, Mexicans, African-Americans, and a very few Asian-Americans. I saw front and center the comments made to them by other kids and some teachers as well. Especially when they figured they were in an environment of like-minded people where their comments were "safe." I saw the looks they got. I saw how often when provoked and clearly reacting defensively after being hit, spit on, having things thrown at them, they were the ones considered at fault and disciplined or suspended from school. The White kids got off free repeatedly. I listened to minority kids' many stories. Including how their parents were treated. One story I know happened but didn't see it all unfold was: A driver went through a stop sign and hit the car. The student's baby sister was injured. The father was crying to trying to comfort both his wife and child. The police arrived, the other driver ran up and pointed at the father. The cops ran over, threw him to the ground, handcuffed him. In the process, the baby was knocked out of the mother's arms and fell on the concrete sidewalk. I saw the handcuffed father and the limp injured infant, but not the events as described by the student. I saw also that the other driver's car position shows his went through the stop sign while the T-boned father's car was on the road having no stop sign.

This is the types of stuff minorities often deal with. So when a kid or parent wants to be in a place where there is someone who actually understands them, it's no different than White parents. Which is why you almost never see white players and few White students at Grambling, Florida A&M etc. You won't see a coyote in a wolf pack either. It's natural for parents and people to want to be in a place where they're not wholly out of place because there are others like themselves. So the fact you don't get it is far more true than you can ever comprehend.
 
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still amazed by how many of you live in this delusional world where race does not matter, and we only need the man "most qualified" for the job.

all of you who cry - green, blue, black or white... i dont see color, i dont care, it doesnt matter, just win on the field...

while you can claim all day long that is the world we should, and would like to be living in (and you would be right), the simple truth is that is not the world we live in.

it is a sad truth, but - having an all white staff would absolutely hurt us in recruiting young black men from the south (with some families)
 
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85SugarVol said:
still amazed by how many of you live in this delusional world where race does not matter, and we only need the man "most qualified" for the job.
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But we do need the most qualified man for the job. If you were about to have an emergency surgery, would you want the person operating you to be the best at what they do or to just be performing surgery because their race was the essential hiring factor? Hiring someone less qualified simply because of their skin color is in itself racist and beyond stupid. That being said, there are definitely minority coaches out there that would probably be perfect replacements.
 
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85SugarVol said:
still amazed by how many of you live in this delusional world where race does not matter, and we only need the man "most qualified" for the job.

all of you who cry - green, blue, black or white... i dont see color, i dont care, it doesnt matter, just win on the field...

while you can claim all day long that is the world we should, and would like to be living in (and you would be right), the simple truth is that is not the world we live in.

it is a sad truth, but - having an all white staff would absolutely hurt us in recruiting young black men from the south (with some families)
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I couldn't agree with you more. But not just the south. But any city with large black populations. Many parts of Maryland, Ohio, Pennsylvania... Some of those people still think Knoxville is some village in the woods. Getting these guys on campus is key, along with giving them a sense of comfort once they get here.
 
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davethevol said:
But we do need the most qualified man for the job. If you were about to have an emergency surgery, would you want the person operating you to be the best at what they do or to just be performing surgery because their race was the essential hiring factor? Hiring someone less qualified simply because of their skin color is in itself racist and beyond stupid. That being said, there are definitely minority coaches out there that would probably be perfect replacements.
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Comparing heart surgery to football...really?
 
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davethevol said:
But we do need the most qualified man for the job. If you were about to have an emergency surgery, would you want the person operating you to be the best at what they do or to just be performing surgery because their race was the essential hiring factor? Hiring someone less qualified simply because of their skin color is in itself racist and beyond stupid. That being said, there are definitely minority coaches out there that would probably be perfect replacements.
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That's the thing, right there. With so many Black athletes and coaches in this country, wouldn't there be many Black coaches who are more qualified, by virtue of their actually having played the position themselves at the highest levels of competition?
 
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