Butch Jones Post Presser - UT vs UF

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crazyguy said:
I don't give a crap about what you say in the post game presser-


Just win baby.
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Agree. It only matters what Butch says to the players. Whether or not he says the "right things" to media and fans is irrelevant.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
This thread is just incomprehensible to me.

We have sucked. We have done nothing of note and walked in with unwind able game plans two weeks in a row and people are praising bullshiz coach speak from a post game press conference.

He might get somewhere and win here, but our coordinators are definitely weak relative to conference peers and we have no coherent strategy. That is nothing remotely akin to "gets it."
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Dude we are so handicapped right now in multiple positions that it is unrealistic to expect much. Receiving corps, reloaded. QB, reloaded. Basically starting from scratch in a lot of areas. So, yes we have not done much to write home about in the first 4 games.

I met a UT player today in Gainesville who did not travel with the team, but went to the game (I was at the game). Asked him about the QB situation. He said Worley does better than Petterman in practice. I have been pro Dobbs, but he said that Ferguson will be the QB, probably not this year, but next year. Asked what the difference was between Dobbs and Ferguson and he said Ferguson has the arm strength. Asked difference between Worley and Petterman and said Worley was just quieter, but they were more equal. He spoke very much like it will be Ferguson's team eventually.

So not having a coherent strategy? I think they do.

Let me ask, would you burn a freshman's redshirt to put him in games during a year that we don't have many chances? I think there is a STRATEGY to not putting in a freshman QB now. Recruiting strategy, hell yeah. That is a strategy.

We are all tired of losing. I get it. But I see positive things happening here. Think that Jones is handicapped this year and I think things become easier next year for him.
 
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The Orange Pants said:
Implementing a new system doesn't help. Recruiting class ranks can be thrown out the window because players haven't been developed. We don't have very much talent.
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Not disagreeing with any of that. The fact remains we should be at least on equal footing talent wise in those last four games. If Butch is the "guy" we should win all of them. By then he's been through the gauntlet and his system should be pretty well entrenched.
 
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The Orange Pants said:
If they were as good as the pro scouts seem to think, they wouldn't be getting abused.
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I believe you and others have questioned my knowledge of the game... if you think schemes and coaching cannot lead to very talented players getting "abused"... then it isn't my knowledge that's questionable.
 
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The Orange Pants said:
Like not having talent comparable to what other SEC teams have?
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He had enough talent to win today. UF practically handed the Vols the game in the first half. MOST of that had more to do with coaching and coaching decisions than any lack of talent. And again, if you are only looking for a coach that wins when he has more talent then welcome to mediocrity. UT NEEDS a coach that routinely outcoaches guys like Muschamp and Richt even without having equal talent.
 
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sjt18 said:
I believe you and others have questioned my knowledge of the game... if you think schemes and coaching cannot lead to very talented players getting "abused"... then it isn't my knowledge that's questionable.
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No reputable sports writer or talking head predicted us to win squat this year. I guarantee they didn't base that off of Butch Jones's scheme or coaching ability. They see deficiency on our roster and know we don't have the guns to compete right away.

Saban was a .500 ball coach his first year at Alabama, so to hell with your expectations of what constitutes mediocrity.
 
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BODACIOUS said:
He's pissed, a lot different than looking defeated. In Butch I trust
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Butch was pissed because he knows that with better execution on offense, we had a real chance at winning this game. Despite all the to's we could have pulled this game out.

Hopefully this will serve as further motivation for the whole team.
 
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sjt18 said:
He had enough talent to win today. UF practically handed the Vols the game in the first half. MOST of that had more to do with coaching and coaching decisions than any lack of talent. And again, if you are only looking for a coach that wins when he has more talent then welcome to mediocrity. UT NEEDS a coach that routinely outcoaches guys like Muschamp and Richt even without having equal talent.
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I keep reading about all the talent we have but I have yet to see it. You know even with poor coaching raw talent will at least occasionally shine through. Look at CP last year. I don't want to take away anything from the team, I think Jones is working their tails off, but I have yet to see anything that would lead me to believe we presently have the talent level that we need anywhere on the field, even the often praised O line.
 
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Ashevolle said:
Saban was a .500 ball coach his first year at Alabama, so to hell with your expectations of what constitutes mediocrity.
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This is the most overused non-proof on this board. Someone mentioned earlier that Saban's first team at Bama was their first since 1970 to put no one in the draft. They had all sorts of discipline issues. Some players refused to buy in. He cut a bunch of guys loose and was roundly criticized for it.

Sumlin... made an immediate impact.... as did Freeze, Spurrier, Meyer, Richt, Saban at LSU, Mullen, Carroll, Kelly, Meyer again at OSU, Hoke, Sarkisian... In fact, it is much closer to the rule than the exception that great coaches make their teams better right away.
 
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sjt18 said:
This is the most overused non-proof on this board. Someone mentioned earlier that Saban's first team at Bama was their first since 1970 to put no one in the draft. They had all sorts of discipline issues. Some players refused to buy in. He cut a bunch of guys loose and was roundly criticized for it.

Sumlin... made an immediate impact.... as did Freeze, Spurrier, Meyer, Richt, Saban at LSU, Mullen, Carroll, Kelly, Meyer again at OSU, Hoke, Sarkisian... In fact, it is much closer to the rule than the exception that great coaches make their teams better right away.
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IF...they have the players to work with.
 
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MedicT said:
I keep reading about all the talent we have but I have yet to see it. You know even with poor coaching raw talent will at least occasionally shine through. Look at CP last year. I don't want to take away anything from the team, I think Jones is working their tails off, but I have yet to see anything that would lead me to believe we presently have the talent level that we need anywhere on the field, even the often praised O line.
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Coaching can enhance or suppress talent.

IF you are that determined to not see the talent that is available then I am really tired of chewing that same cud. You can look up one of my older posts or figure it out for yourself.

I have NEVER said there weren't holes and thin spots in the roster. I HAVE said the roster was not devoid of talent. Most of you want to ask as if it is fitting that Oregon pounded UT almost as badly as an FCS school. You ignore the fact that Toledo for much of their game gave UF as much or more trouble than UT did. You would really try to convince yourself that UT's talent is on that level. Well it isn't.
 
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sjt18 said:
This is the most overused non-proof on this board. Someone mentioned earlier that Saban's first team at Bama was their first since 1970 to put no one in the draft. They had all sorts of discipline issues. Some players refused to buy in. He cut a bunch of guys loose and was roundly criticized for it.

Sumlin... made an immediate impact.... as did Freeze, Spurrier, Meyer, Richt, Saban at LSU, Mullen, Carroll, Kelly, Meyer again at OSU, Hoke, Sarkisian... In fact, it is much closer to the rule than the exception that great coaches make their teams better right away.
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The point is there is no rule. There is no painting by numbers for coaching. You have no idea whether Butch will succeed here based off of what's you've seen thus far. You simply choose to believe that he will fail. Most of us do not share your utter dispair.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I agree. Like I said in my first post, I'm not remotely ready to give up on him, I am just not as confident as I once was.
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The results have been what I expected. We've had two easy wins over cupcakes, a blowout loss to Oregon, and a hard fought loss to Florida. Even in my worst nightmares though I never imagined the QB play would be this bad.
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InVOLuntary said:
No, more like running the read option with a QB that can't and refuses to run for starters. We should have enough talent to compete with all of the teams left on our schedule past SC, you predict we win them all?
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Wow, you think we are as good as bama. Wrong again.
 
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Ashevolle said:
The point is there is no rule. There is no painting by numbers for coaching. You have no idea whether Butch will succeed here based off of what's you've seen thus far. You simply choose to believe that he will fail. Most of us do not share your in your utter dispair.
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Another abjectly ignorant post.

I have said that I hoped Jones would succeed and specifically that it was NOT time to draw final conclusions. I FULLY support him getting at least 3 years to prove himself. I have NOT chosen to believe he will fail.... I am simply struggling to find REAL reasons to believe he will succeed. I want to see something that shouts, "I am better than the last 3 guys".

I simply will not turn a blind eye to the poor performance of this staff in the last two games. Oregon should have been a more credible effort. UF was a very winnable game. You guys are twisting and contorting every which way trying to excuse Jones for not performing better to date. Maybe he will improve and his team will improve as the year goes on. If so... he'll give me EXACTLY what I "desperately" want so I can have the faith some of you have given so blindly.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
This thread is just incomprehensible to me.

We have sucked. We have done nothing of note and walked in with unwind able game plans two weeks in a row and people are praising bullshiz coach speak from a post game press conference.

He might get somewhere and win here, but our coordinators are definitely weak relative to conference peers and we have no coherent strategy. That is nothing remotely akin to "gets it."
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This. Anything else is just blind faith and dreams.
 
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Yeah that sucked, but I think Butch has his heart in the program. It's going to be a work in process and we all need to be, wait for it.... wait for it... a word that no Vol fan likes to hear, patience. We finally have a coach that is respected and leading us in the right direction but it will take time!
 
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