Butch Jones Post Presser - UT vs UF

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I hope he keeps the players motivated and improving. It's been a while since we had a good coaching staff, but teams with great coaches improve over the course of a season, especially in year one. I'm expecting us to be 3-5 at the end of October, we hope we can manage to lose only one of Auburn, Mizzou, Vandy, Kentucky.

6-6 was my hope for this years, we might not get there but with the shape our roster is in we could be looking at 5-7 or, gulp, 4-8.
 
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crazyguy said:
Honestly, the mood around here is exactly the same as when DD started.

I don't give a crap about what you say in the post game presser-


Just win baby.
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Bullshiz. Dooley would have thrown everyone under the bus except himself.
 
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sjt18 said:
Coaching can enhance or suppress talent.

IF you are that determined to not see the talent that is available then I am really tired of chewing that same cud. You can look up one of my older posts or figure it out for yourself.

I have NEVER said there weren't holes and thin spots in the roster. I HAVE said the roster was not devoid of talent. Most of you want to ask as if it is fitting that Oregon pounded UT almost as badly as an FCS school. You ignore the fact that Toledo for much of their game gave UF as much or more trouble than UT did. You would really try to convince yourself that UT's talent is on that level. Well it isn't.
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I agree with you that we haven't played to our level of talent. This game was very winnable.

There are a lot of factors at play, and I'm sure leadership is one of the contributing factors. More than anything, I think a losing culture is still present on the hill. We have to shake that, and it doesn't happen overnight. We desperately need a culture shift, and I do believe that is happening.

For all the talk of coach speak, I think Jones is sincere about progress, and I think he will succeed here. I like his attitude. Let's wait for that to trickle down to our players. I believe this will be a very different team by the end of the season.

This staff is still learning about the SEC, and I believe they will take a lot of learnings away from this game and grow with our team.
 
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I like Butch, and I'm behind him.. But the offensive play calling and execution was as piss poor today as last week. I'm sorry, but this "read option" trash takes too long to develop and we don't have the players to run it. Time to do some real coaching and call a game to our players strengths instead of shoving that worthless crap out there. No short rhythm passes to help our qb get in a groove... Just slow developing read option bulls**t and long developing vertical pass plays. Garbage scheme from our staff. I'm sorely disappointed seeing this junk continue.
 
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TheGoodStuff said:
Tough loss but I'm all in. Butch has these young men fighting untill the end. Butch is a "process" kinda coach for sure. I expect incremental improvement each and ever week.

I don't mind his decision to leave peterman in as long as he did. In fact I respect that he has the fortitude to stay the coarse with their decision. Worley even looked a little better once he got his chance. Anyhow, Go Vols!!! Good times ahead
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Very refreshing to see them open it up 2nd half... I have said dumb things on here, but when they opened up the offense in the second half and tried to throw in space it proved to me that cbj is learning also... So relieved...
 
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sjt18 said:
Coaching can enhance or suppress talent.

IF you are that determined to not see the talent that is available then I am really tired of chewing that same cud. You can look up one of my older posts or figure it out for yourself.

I have NEVER said there weren't holes and thin spots in the roster. I HAVE said the roster was not devoid of talent. Most of you want to ask as if it is fitting that Oregon pounded UT almost as badly as an FCS school. You ignore the fact that Toledo for much of their game gave UF as much or more trouble than UT did. You would really try to convince yourself that UT's talent is on that level. Well it isn't.
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Toledo has more talent than us? Um.. No. Maybe at the QB position but that's it and that's the only reason they looked as good against Florida or better than us. You seem to think that comparing scores of other teams against a team we played is a way of accurately measuring talent. That makes you ignorant. And you seem to be a little touchy about being wrong. Get over it.

If our QB's weren't so incredibly bad, and we just had a guy that could complete simple passes without turning over, we could have won today. The QB play makes everyone else look bad because our other offensive players don't get a chance and our thin defense is left on the field all day.
 
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JohnnyBanana said:
Toledo has more talent than us? Um.. No. Maybe at the QB position but that's it and that's the only reason they looked as good against Florida or better than us. You seem to think that comparing scores of other teams against a team we played is a way of accurately measuring talent. That makes you ignorant. And you seem to be a little touchy about being wrong. Get over it.

If our QB's weren't so incredibly bad, and we just had a guy that could complete simple passes without turning over, we could have won today. The QB play makes everyone else look bad because our other offensive players don't get a chance and our thin defense is left on the field all day.
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Whoa whoa whoa now. You mean a college scholarship QB should be able to complete a WR screen without overthrowing a 6'4" target?
 
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DC Vol said:
Whoa whoa whoa now. You mean a college scholarship QB should be able to complete a WR screen without overthrowing a 6'4" target?
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I know it's a difficult thing to grasp but yes.. Lol.

If I could do it in high school with much smaller receivers I expect a QB on scholarship at a top tier university to be able to do it as well.
 
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JohnnyBanana said:
Toledo has more talent than us? Um.. No. Maybe at the QB position but that's it and that's the only reason they looked as good against Florida or better than us. You seem to think that comparing scores of other teams against a team we played is a way of accurately measuring talent. That makes you ignorant.
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No it doesn't. Not at all. And I actually watched the Toledo game... for much of the game they looked like the better team.
And you seem to be a little touchy about being wrong. Get over it.
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Not at all... but I will let you know when I'm actually wrong... :)

If our QB's weren't so incredibly bad, and we just had a guy that could complete simple passes without turning over, we could have won today.
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Or just as plausibly... if our schemes and playcalling weren't so bad and the O was designed to the strengths of the QB's and WR's.

The QB play makes everyone else look bad because our other offensive players don't get a chance and our thin defense is left on the field all day.
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According to Jones... the receiver play has made the QB's look bad. I guess you'll have to take that argument up with him.

Now according to me... just a fan... but a pretty observant one for a few years... Guys like Petrino have made QB's successful with a fraction of the talent any of UT's 4 guys have. They find ways schematically to get players open and to create easy throws. Or... you have a guy like Cut who loved the vertical game but realized that with Ainge and set of receivers with much less athletic talent than UT's current group... a precision short passing game was their only shot at production.

AJ will get a chance to play on Sunday. Some of those young WR's will. By the time they're done, maybe one of the QB's will. Several of the OL's will including some that aren't starters yet. McCullers will. Some of the others will get invites as undrafted free agents based on nothing but their size and measurable.

Based on the last projections I saw, UT will put 5 to 7 players in the draft next spring... Not bad for a team with "bad talent".
 
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sjt18 said:
Or just as plausibly... if our schemes and playcalling weren't so bad and the O was designed to the strengths of the QB's and WR's.



According to Jones... the receiver play has made the QB's look bad. I guess you'll have to take that argument up with him.

Now according to me... just a fan... but a pretty observant one for a few years... Guys like Petrino have made QB's successful with a fraction of the talent any of UT's 4 guys have.
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Our QB's strengths? I have a hard time seeing any.

Jones said that a couple of weeks ago, but it doesn't matter they are still woefully inaccurate when receivers are wide open. Anyone can see that. That's just a fact.

Guys like Petrino made QB's with a fraction of the talent of our guys successful.. Maybe they have arm strength or something like that but they can't hit open receivers. I understand what you're saying with schemes and everything but there isn't much you can do with a guy who can't complete a WR screen or when he does throws the ball behind the receiver thus ruining the play. I think your "fraction of the talent" statement is just wrong.

Your last paragraph listing our players who will likely go pro just proves my point that we have more talent than Toledo. And I'm not the one who said Tennessee has "bad talent" if you were saying that to me.

All that said, I agree that the offensive scheme has not been impressing me either.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
The results have been what I expected. We've had two easy wins over cupcakes, a blowout loss to Oregon, and a hard fought loss to Florida. Even in my worst nightmares though I never imagined the QB play would be this bad.
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I said at the beginning that if he won the ones he should, and be competitive in the ones he shouldn't I would be happy. He's really not be competitive in the ones we were under dogs in. Yesterday was not really competitive in my opinion. We were never really in that game after they took the lead. Also, I had hope that we actually might have the opportunity to upset someone but I can't see that happening now.
 
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sjt18 said:
He had enough talent to win today. UF practically handed the Vols the game in the first half. MOST of that had more to do with coaching and coaching decisions than any lack of talent. And again, if you are only looking for a coach that wins when he has more talent then welcome to mediocrity. UT NEEDS a coach that routinely outcoaches guys like Muschamp and Richt even without having equal talent.
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lol Richt always has talent and a lot of it. Same with Florida... they had more talent on the field yesterday especially at D. Every team we play in the sec will have more talent except for Vanderbilt and Kentucky and maybe Missouri. .
 
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BODACIOUS said:
He's pissed, a lot different than looking defeated. In Butch I trust
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I want to 100% agree with you.
But, some of the play calls...still running the read option without a running QB, short passes on long downs, bad routes, bad timing. Some of the D play calls...loading the box with 7 men on goal to go at the 5 (not the 1), etc. I'm starting to wonder about our coordinators. I do think we are in better hands, but I think the play callers have to start to look in the mirror a bit. Dissect what has gone wrong so far & how they might be part of the problem. It's not 100% execution & talent issues. Not 100% at least.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I said at the beginning that if he won the ones he should, and be competitive in the ones he shouldn't I would be happy. He's really not be competitive in the ones we were under dogs in. Yesterday was not really competitive in my opinion. We were never really in that game after they took the lead. Also, I had hope that we actually might have the opportunity to upset someone but I can't see that happening now.
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Aside from Peterman, we were competitve yesterday. You've b***hed and moaned for awhile now. This team is better coached than DD. It has less talent on the offensive side of the ball, but hey, we had a team built to pass the ball and we hired a coach that likes to run the ball.
 
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Lol... It has been 4 games..... 4 games.... We have lost 2 games... 1 to the #2 team in the nation and 1 to the #19 team in the nation...

I find it hard to believe folks really though we were going to win 10 or 11 games this season...

Get you panties out of a wad and supports these kids and coaches..
 
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I agree with cutnitclose... support out vols. Things will get better...butch is recruiting well .. we just need some skilled playmakers..butch is doing that..my god give the guy a break.. he's doing the best he csn with what he has.
 
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Orange to the Bay said:
I want to 100% agree with you.
But, some of the play calls...still running the read option without a running QB, short passes on long downs, bad routes, bad timing. Some of the D play calls...loading the box with 7 men on goal to go at the 5 (not the 1), etc. I'm starting to wonder about our coordinators. I do think we are in better hands, but I think the play callers have to start to look in the mirror a bit. Dissect what has gone wrong so far & how they might be part of the problem. It's not 100% execution & talent issues. Not 100% at least.
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For the millionth time, this offense will not work without a running qb. Plus, when the other team loses their qb, you make the backup work a longer field, even if it means your offense runs three straight and punt. instead, we gave Murphy a short field after thinking the Peterman could do something.
 
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