Butch on Worley not running.

#51
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omghulkhands said:
What evidence do you have to suggest they are getting better? We have not seen them play since the OU game and that was arguably the worst offensive line performance we have had in probably 30 years. Are you just assuming they can't be worse? Because that would be valid.

I am not trying to be a richard here. It is a legitimately serious question. I have seen quite a few people suggest now that "they are getting better" instead of saying "they should get better" and I am just wondering why they believe it.
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Well, they played one game together and appeared to get better in the second half. They have also had two weeks of practice since the last game . What evidence do you have to indicated= they have not improved?
 
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Fijivol72 said:
Agree 100%. People don't think the coaches see the exact same thing we fans see? There is a reason Worley is not keeping it, and coach knows what it is but he ain't sayin.
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What ever the reason is , this run game isn't working nor is it fooling anyone or any team and if the coaches see the same thing as we the fans see then one would think that the coaches would have a plan B. We have been watching this same run game for 2 years getting the same results each year.
People were saying they are just keeping the off. Vanilla the 1st 2 games , is it still Vanilla ?
 
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#53
#53
When in doubt "GIVE". That phrase is echoed over and over in every practice that has ever involved an option give/keep play in the history of football.

When you have an unexperienced offensive line, things are very cloudy at times. As somebody said, when DT's and Lb's end up where you don't expect them to things look bad so it is an auto give every time. You don't allow your QB to take the ball and, more importantly, an unnecessary hit (unless you have an athletic freak at QB) in those situations.

In my opinion, as the OL improves, you will see more keeps out of him.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Well, they played one game together and appeared to get better in the second half. They have also had two weeks of practice since the last game . What evidence do you have to indicated= they have not improved?
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He didn't make a statement saying they haven't improved. He's just trying to figure out why everybody just definitively says "they've gotten better" when they haven't played again since OU and no one can know whether they have or not.....so am I.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Well, they played one game together and appeared to get better in the second half. They have also had two weeks of practice since the last game . What evidence do you have to indicated= they have not improved?
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None. That is why I have not went around saying that they have, or have not. I just have my observations from the 3 games this year.
 
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I just would like to see the Worley under center with a fullback blocking for Lane/Hurd. Having that extra blocker in a fullback running full speed 3 yards behind the line generally helps, especially with a young o line. Sometimes I just miss the days of lining travis henry or jamal lewis up and watching them just power or leap into the endzone.
 
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GAVol said:
True. But there are many more that just don't understand.
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The OL play is not helping the situation at all.

If what he said is legit and not window dressing we have a schematic issue that magnifies 1. A QB that is not fit to run the read. 2. A QB that can't afford get hurt. 3. An OL that you are up against the clock with on sustaining blocks.


The spread idea is not the issue. You can get the football to the RB and get him up field quicker than we currently are out of the spread and thin the middle of the field with the formation.
 
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vol-un-tear said:
It just looks a little slow to me. Not "down hill"
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That's always been my issue, unless you are keyed in on something the defense is doing you are giving them WAY to much time to react to the action in the backfield. I'd prefer a one back or pistol formation with quick hand offs. Our offensive line is struggling with more complex blocking schemes right now, seems like it would be easier and more beneficial to stick with fundamental hat on hat downhill blocking to get these guys some quality reps.
 
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I think what CBJ is saying is that its a called run to the RB with no QB keep option. like a dive,trap, counter. It just looks like a read and there is no actual read. just play design.
 
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Christian Lowe said:
JONES on Worley running: "I'm going to hold a media clinic on the zone read. It's not always the zone read. Sometimes when it looks like the lane it open, the defensive end is making a play and it wasn't open when the decision was made."
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Worley should throw a block then since he isn't making a decison to keep it...:whistling:
 
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So all you guys wanting Worley to run more are basically asking him to ignore his coaching and try to run the ball over the DE or LB? The only reason it appears Worley has room to run is that the defense can see that he made the handoff and they pursue the runner, not Worley. Single-step through the videos if you have to and try to find more than a couple of instances where the DE and/or LB crashed inside BEFORE the handoff.
 
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I'd make Worley run it 3x in a row just to loosen him up and see if he really is scared or not.
 
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CRUCIALVOL08 said:
I think what CBJ is saying is that its a called run to the RB with no QB keep option. like a dive,trap, counter. It just looks like a read and there is no actual read. just play design.
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We ran the veer in HS... they still run it years later btw... and we had plays called 33 dive, 33 pitch, and 33 option. Exact same "look"... the QB just didn't have a read on the first two. But they were blocked differently which most casual observers didn't see.
 
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Bigworm87 said:
I just would like to see the Worley under center with a fullback blocking for Lane/Hurd. Having that extra blocker in a fullback running full speed 3 yards behind the line generally helps, especially with a young o line. Sometimes I just miss the days of lining travis henry or jamal lewis up and watching them just power or leap into the endzone.
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I like the pro style and pro I offense as well. As ugly as it may sound, I REALLY like Kiffin's system... or Carroll's as the case may be.

However, we have a choice. We can learn to respect and try to like Jones' system... or we can find another team or another pastime. Jones believes in his system. He knows it. He can teach it. He's had success with it. There is very little chance he's going to drop it and go pro-style.
 
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1. I don't think people would actually be calling for Worley to run if our offense, and particularly our running plays, looked efficient and were working. If Worley isn't actually supposed to run, and the problems aren't simply with his reads, then we probably need to run different plays that are more effective.

2. The problem may be the system itself, but more likely, it is the inability for us to run it effectively or properly tweak it to take advantage of our own players' strengths and attack the other team's weaknesses. Sumlin changed his offense alot when he got to Texas A&M and ran less slowly developing option plays. Malzahn's option plays seem to develop twice as fast as our's do.
 
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That comment was Dooley-esque. The fact that Jones even felt the need to address this publicly is proof that this offense has been a schematic failure.
 
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SGMVols said:
That comment was Dooley-esque. The fact that Jones even felt the need to address this publicly is proof that this offense has been a schematic failure.
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Actually he was asked a question, and he answered it. Would you have rather him not answered the question that the reporter asked? I am sure he answered it for people just like you...couch potato coaches and arm chair quarterbacks.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
I think we can tell it's not working - whether it's an execution thing, talent/right personnel thing, or bad offensive philosophy is the question.
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Define "it".

Some people, not aimed at you, are having a tough time admitting that they were wrong when they stated that this line would be better than last year's. They aren't...not even close. They may have good attitudes and all that but they aren't as talented or experienced. The TE's aren't very good blockers yet. We have a better receiving corps, maybe better at RB, the same coaches and same schemes, we averaged 4.9 yards per rush last year and so far, 3.3 yds/att this year. The OL is going to get better as the season goes along.

Worley took a good beating at OU, I don't know why so many want him to take off and run the ball knowing that neither of the other QB's could beat him out for the job. If Worley gets hurt...

I think the best way to improve the running game in the short term would be for Worley to air it out a bit more, make the blitzers pay. We had 12 passing TD's last year, Worley already has 6. Ultimately it's up to the coaches to figure out a way to protect Worley and it's up to Worley to see the blitzes coming better. At some point, Id like to see the coaches give Worley more freedom at the LOS than he appears to have at this point. I understand he has to earn the trust. JMO.

Yesterday Worley said he probably could have made the decision to pull the ball 3 or 4 times over the course of the three games. That indicates that a very small number of the 239 plays called on offense call for him to make a read and pull the ball. That doesn't mean that inside zone, outside zone and power aren't more than 90% of what UT does in the run game. We also don't know how many plays UT has run where Worley has the go ahead to pull the ball and throw a screen pass for instance. No doubt they can tag a run call with a pass option.
 
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SGMVols said:
That comment was Dooley-esque. The fact that Jones even felt the need to address this publicly is proof that this offense has been a schematic failure.
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Or it could be the fact that the OL hasn't been settled.... but who cares about possibilities other than the negative ones, right?

FWIW to the open minded (not including you here), UT saw a significant improvement in the run game last year WITHOUT a credible passing game. They were a reliable WR or two away from being a very decent O last year.
 
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#75
#75
Well..

the scheme could work in theory as long as the OLine isn't a punching bag like they were against OU.

I personally don't like the scheme, but if the coaches like that philosophy than I will support them as long as they are willing to make adjustments to fit what they have, play to their strengths, and not try to make it into something it simply cannot be.

Some may call me an arm chair quaterback, but it's like with chess. I LOVE to play, and I've even studied it in a LOT of depth, and I continue to do so, but my calling in life isn't to compete in professional tournaments.

Same with football. I love the GAME so much that I will study it as a hobby and do not limit my viewing to just one or two teams. I'll watch anyone play and I'll study them them whole game. But it's not my calling to be in that world :hi:
 
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