Butch Preaches Patience; QB Race Talk

#51
#51
Did you guys see the top teams in America this year? They almost ALL have athletic QBs who can run the ball. Worley cannot, and does not, run with the ball. So why exactly are we better with him? He's got moxie but he's just not very talented. And he's a senior...

Dobbs is young and raw but showed me that he has more upside than Worley. He can run it some--he showed that--and he's got a pretty good arm. And he will get better.

Ferguson: Don't know anything about him but he would have to be demonstrably better than Dobbs or Worley for me to play him. Do we want to go through ANOTHER year with a completely inexperienced QB? That's a recipe for another disastrous year that will kill our recruiting. Hey, if he's super he will play. If not, we've got two guys who now have some solid experience.

For the coaches, the QB decisions they make this year will be HUGE.
 
#53
#53
dduncan4163 said:
My guess is Worley will be our Starter at the start of the Season. He was starting to come into his own when he got injured. I also think if the Moment he starts showing any of his old habits he will be pulled for good.
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Based on what? He had one good half of football against georgia. Not arguing with you but normally if all things are equal you go with the younger player.
 
#54
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Based on what? He had one good half of football against georgia. Not arguing with you but normally if all things are equal you go with the younger player.
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But things aren't equal. Worley has more experience and with younger receivers, that is one of the most important traits to have.
 
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None of them showed great promise last season. Don't care who it is but hope one makes a large leap forward.
 
#57
#57
It is what it is. QB play last year vividly revealed that Worley, Peterman, and Dobbs are not pure passers. All three throw flutter balls, even in warm ups. Ferguson hasn't played a down yet, but his warm up throws are very encouraging. We'll see.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
But things aren't equal. Worley has more experience and with younger receivers, that is one of the most important traits to have.
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He can't throw over or under 10 yards accurately. Atleast Dobbs can kinda his his target. Our receivers were actually bailing out Worley.
 
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Other_Guy said:
Another Fergy fan (nothing wrong with it).

My question is, do you think he wins it because he's the only one you can guarantee hasn't proven he is bad? Lol
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I think he wins the starting job cause he has the most superior arm of any other QB on the roster. Jmo and have no "inside" info but I think the kid has "it" and Trent Dilfer agrees. Also, hes a winner. We shall see, but spring practice and the O&W game are gonna be fun!
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
None of them showed great promise last season. Don't care who it is but hope one makes a large leap forward.
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this.... none of them made me feel like we have something special n be excited about the position..

n they didnt develop as/the/season progressed.. i mean we only.ran maybe 5 plays the.whole/season n none of them could complete that stupid fake dive n pull the ball out n throw a 10 yard slant pass. :crazy:
 
#63
#63
true freshman shouldn't be starting qb in the SEC. True fresh qb's that weren't in spring practice as EE's shouldn't be starting in the SEC, much less ones that arrived in August. True freshmen qb's shouldn't be trying to learn an entire new system and program around them, and lead a team/program, as there are no upperclassmen that have already been in the system to help them grow. If they have to play, you'd like to have a TE, who is the safety blanket for any good qb, and you'd like to have a little talent outside that is going up against nfl db's every week. We didn't have that either. Nor did we have a running game with explosive potential behind him.
Some people call those excuses. I call it reality of the position and sport and look forward to what we show with an OL that understands more, TE's on the field that can make plays, a lot better at WR, a little more dangerous at rb, and qb's that have been in the system for awhile and play with a little more instinct as the comfort level grows.
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
May the best man win.
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May the Best Man Win

At first it was just a game with us
You and I and my best friend
You were the football we most admired
We both desired
So one day we said "May the best man win"

Next when we knew that you must be
The football that we'd been searching for
That was the day you had to choose
So win or lose
We said once again "May the best man win"

--Apologies to Gary Lewis--
 
#65
#65
Pecking order Worley,Dobbs,Petterman, Ferguson. It will all be sorted out by end of OK game in Norman. I dont even want to guess which one is left standing after that game.
 
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tnwayback said:
A QB has to have a "I won't let you beat me" mentality to really succeed. I didn't see that in 117, if Fergie don't play that way, QB play is going to cost us greatly in 118. In a little defense of the QB play, the OL got bullied a lot and that isn't helpful at all.
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You hit the nail on the head. "I won't let you beat me" mentality to really succeed. From personal interviews, high school coaches' description of how Ferguson plays with that attitude lead me to think he may carry this attitude during every game. A great arm, but maybe. just maybe he has all the intangibles necessary to be our QB. He'll have his chance to show what he's got on the outside, but on the inside as well. Am I a Ferguson fan? Only if he's the QB to start leading us to wins better than any other QB we have.
 
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dduncan4163 said:
My guess is Worley will be our Starter at the start of the Season. He was starting to come into his own when he got injured. I also think if the Moment he starts showing any of his old habits he will be pulled for good.
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He isn't getting any better than he was before he got hurt.

His biggest knocks were his athleticism, arm strength, and arm strength again.

I don't see that improving over the off season.
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
Yeah.....everyone was calling to bench Worley for lack of production.....bouncing balls of the field.....needing a ladder to jump off to catch the high over throws....yeah bring on Peterman Worley sucks.....then he chokes and bring on Dobbs and Butch is an idiot...blah blah....let the man run his damn team.
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Let the man run his damn team. I agree. I was one of the ones hoping CBJ would bench Worley.
My point was that if CBJ is going to do experiments with QB's.....Then Hopefully he does it against non conference opponents or against much weaker teams, not wait till SEC play.
And CBJ,whom I'm behind for the most part, surely should know he doesn't HAVE to leave in any QB for 2 qtrs....He can have one play a couple series, then get another in their, get feet wet....not a "ALL or Nothing" type deal.
I'm still against Worley starting
 
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My concern is I don't think CBJ and Co. developed the QBS, he had in the offseason, well enough. He was handed to solid QBs and nothing. One he even wanted for Cincy, so he should have been able to have one more developed for his "system."

Anywho...im thinking the Ferg has the potential to be a solid QB for what we need. He may be a bit to skinny so that's a concern if he gets hit while scrambling. Haven't seen his tape since when he was being recruited, but iirc I always thought he had just the right about of scrambling ability. Get those few yards for a 1st down when the receivers are covered. Other things like his want to win and the fact his whole family went all in UT def helped me like him. Now the prison tats I could live w/o but that's for another day.

Now Dobbs kind of came along at the end so really didnt study him much. After seeing him this year I think he has potential BUT his intelligence may just get in the way. It's odd to say, but he may think it through way to much and when u have to depend on others to be on the same page it tough to get the right outcome. I always thought that was the case with Manning when he was here, and why Martin was able to win the NC the following year. PM was just ahead, and things just don't go as planned in his head. Somewhat what my belief is with the Dooley era, the clawfense, and heck even when I'm dealing with some of the people on here. Ha!!! My dad studied the same/similar thing as he is, so imo understanding how someone like him thinks is not easy for the avg educated person. Let alone a bunch of athletes that, let's be honest, may or "may not" have had plenty of assistance in grade school. I don't know the kid so he may not be the way I think he is, but chances he is. So he may just be to smart even though he has the physical talent. Recent guy like him I can remember is Blaine Gabbert. Apparently one of his biggest attributes is he can memorize a playbook real quick and iirc I mean like superman style.

I hope Worley gets developed better in the offseason and comes out ballin. I hope peterman does too, and is ready to take over. Between the Ferg and Dobbs...dont know yet. I want the guy that wants it the most. Talent can be a wash between the 2 imo. I think the Ferg will have that fire and will fight til the end. Dobbs seems to passive, and playing at UT may just be his way of getting what he really wants..his degree. Then a great graduate program. He may just be happy with riding the pine with a clipboard, and that paying for a great education. Who knows??

Again..this is just all IMHO and from observations.
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#70
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Imo, we will be much better off having Dobbs or Fergy start, mainly because of the youth we will have in the oline and darn near everywhere else. Worley is a great back up and he couldnt secure the position by now..
Dobbs has loads of potential, but he can't play receiver too......but will be judged by completions. Hope to see Fergy play. Just not giving him the first reps against Florida. Im for CBJ....but that was stupid to wait that long to give reps out to the other three early on. Red shirt deals or not.
 
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I've always liked what I heard about Fergie in addition to what we were allowed to see in Fall practices. Although it has been played down, he was on the Florida trip as the third QB and then got hurt in practice (leg) before Worley's injury, so would Fergie have played instead of Dobbs? Hard to say, but after Malone's announcement, one of the quotes on Rivals was: "Key down the stretch for the Vols was the coaching staff's ability to showcase considerable raw practice footage of quarterback Riley Ferguson, who sources indicated would have been the Tennessee starter following injury to incumbent Justin Worley had Ferguson not had a stress-fracture in his right leg. Malone had as much as nearly 90 minutes of practice footage he was able to see of Ferguson, as well as high school film on the former Elite 11 quarterback from near Charlotte, N.C."

Dobbs' opportunity to actually play is an advantage but notes out of preseason about Fergie used words like "alpha male" and "stronger arm" but the coaches were hoping to preserve both freshmen's redshirt status. I've always been a Ferguson fan after watching high school and Elite 11 footage.
 
#72
#72
Until we have this , "I won't let you beat me" mentality . At every Position . I fear the 5-7 seasons are just going to keep coming around . My thoughts on the Coaching are going to have to wait till next year . We need BADLY some Jimmies and Joes , to go with the X's and O's
 
#73
#73
Oskie Volum said:
My concern is I don't think CBJ and Co. developed the QBS, he had in the offseason, well enough. He was handed to solid QBs and nothing. One he even wanted for Cincy, so he should have been able to have one more developed for his "system."
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I can see where you're coming from but our 2 freshman didn't show up until fall. Also, if our extremely talented o-line had trouble adjusting to the system I can't really see how our QBs were ever gonna have much chance. When there's an all new TE and all new WR corps you're going to have big problems passing. Developing a player usually takes more time than a single spring and/or fall camp. When they develop quickly it's usually on defense as we saw with Cam Sutton. On offense in North took time to start being the player we knew he could be and I would wager that 90 percent of the reason he developed more quickly than others was sheer outrageous talent. (Hunter & D. Rogers were similar as freshmen).

Finally, Worley and Peterman should've been far more developed when CBJ et al arrived but the prior staff didn't bother to do that. Worley was further along but he also had several starts and more game experience. Peterman wasn't used at all.

The neglect of players at key positions by prior staff has been ridiculously obvious.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
My concern is I don't think CBJ and Co. developed the QBS, he had in the offseason, well enough. He was handed to solid QBs and nothing. One he even wanted for Cincy, so he should have been able to have one more developed for his "system."

Anywho...im thinking the Ferg has the potential to be a solid QB for what we need. He may be a bit to skinny so that's a concern if he gets hit while scrambling. Haven't seen his tape since when he was being recruited, but iirc I always thought he had just the right about of scrambling ability. Get those few yards for a 1st down when the receivers are covered. Other things like his want to win and the fact his whole family went all in UT def helped me like him. Now the prison tats I could live w/o but that's for another day.

Now Dobbs kind of came along at the end so really didnt study him much. After seeing him this year I think he has potential BUT his intelligence may just get in the way. It's odd to say, but he may think it through way to much and when u have to depend on others to be on the same page it tough to get the right outcome. I always thought that was the case with Manning when he was here, and why Martin was able to win the NC the following year. PM was just ahead, and things just don't go as planned in his head. Somewhat what my belief is with the Dooley era, the clawfense, and heck even when I'm dealing with some of the people on here. Ha!!! My dad studied the same/similar thing as he is, so imo understanding how someone like him thinks is not easy for the avg educated person. Let alone a bunch of athletes that, let's be honest, may or "may not" have had plenty of assistance in grade school. I don't know the kid so he may not be the way I think he is, but chances he is. So he may just be to smart even though he has the physical talent. Recent guy like him I can remember is Blaine Gabbert. Apparently one of his biggest attributes is he can memorize a playbook real quick and iirc I mean like superman style.

I hope Worley gets developed better in the offseason and comes out ballin. I hope peterman does too, and is ready to take over. Between the Ferg and Dobbs...dont know yet. I want the guy that wants it the most. Talent can be a wash between the 2 imo. I think the Ferg will have that fire and will fight til the end. Dobbs seems to passive, and playing at UT may just be his way of getting what he really wants..his degree. Then a great graduate program. He may just be happy with riding the pine with a clipboard, and that paying for a great education. Who knows??

Again..this is just all IMHO and from observations.
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Worley and Peterman are far from "two solid QBs."

Neither would have been top 2 for most SEC schools last year.
 
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