Butch's Loyalty?

#51
#51
volfan4evr said:
I respectfully disagree. OU's defense limited our play calling tremendously. A run inside the five does not guarantee a TD. Were some of our play calls questionable? Yes. But give credit to their D for that.
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a run inside the 5 guarantees to not have an interception and you walk away with at least 3 points ..
 
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#52
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illvol said:
Of course had they run and fumbled rather than what happened you'd be calling for Jakes head saying with our monsters at receiver and the height mismatch we should have lined it up 5 wide and made them defend the jump ball.

You guys want to fire us out of our obvious progress. Let them work and you just sit there and watch.
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No. Not at all. If you think there was any ounce of me that wanted a throw instead of a run then you're crazy. You don't have to be an extremist to know how disastrous of a call that was. I love this coaching staff, but that call cost us the game. A fumble is a freak accident and I certainly would not have been mad at the call. Good try pulling an accusation out of your rear though.
 
#53
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volfan4evr said:
I respectfully disagree. OU's defense limited our play calling tremendously. A run inside the five does not guarantee a TD. Were some of our play calls questionable? Yes. But give credit to their D for that.
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I agree that a run doesn't guarantee a TD, but I do think that having someone in the backfield with at least the threat of a run on 3rd and 2 would have been a better formation to run a play out of than a five wide set. With that said, I agree that one poor play call doesn't warrant a firing. Let's see how our offense looks against UGA, whose defense looks a little more porous than OU's D.
 
#54
#54
chatt-townVOL said:
No. Not at all. If you think there was any ounce of me that wanted a throw instead of a run then you're crazy. You don't have to be an extremist to know how disastrous of a call that was. I love this coaching staff, but that call cost us the game. A fumble is a freak accident and I certainly would not have been mad at the call. Good try pulling an accusation out of your rear though.
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Yeah. That throw cost us the game. Who's the extremist?
 
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#55
I am a vol fan through and through, but the play calling needs to be taylor made what worley can do. He won the job fair and square so call plays on what by the kid can do. I hate our read option. Let's hand the ball of let Hurd and lane do what they do.
 
#56
#56
I don't think anyone needs to be fired just a come to Jesus meeting find out what the online unit can do and let's get more quick pass in our arsenal like slants and screens.
 
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tnuhcvols said:
If we had run at that point and not gotten the touchdown OP would still be calling to fire OC.:thud:
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I don't think so.

I think a fair portion of the fan base saw us line up with an empty backfield and thought WTF?? immediately.

For me, it was two down territory (got to get a TD there on the road in a game like that).

It was a bonehead play call that put our team in the worst possible scenario. It was a really good defensive play as well. If we don't make that call, we probably still don't win, but the whole nation is talking about Tennessee making noise and how strong the SEC is.
 
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madbamahater said:
At crucial points in the game the play selection was irreirresponsible. Yes, you run the ball every time on 3rd and 2 (wasn't 3rd and goal, had a chance for a first down and goal). Mathematically speaking you always play your percentages there. Every time. The ONLY reason to throw is in a play action situation. Only. It was irresponsible! Did Worley force it? Yes. Did he make a poor decision? Yes. Was he placed in a very high risk low reward position with the set? Yes. Of course!!!!!! That's coaching
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Go talk to Butch and see if he will give you the job. Surely with your vast football knowledge you will be a shoo-in. Plead your case to him and let us know how that works out for ya.

Until then STFU!!!!
 
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I admit I was surprised that we didn't have a RB in the set.

That would have at least caused their D to respect and defend against the run.

Nobody knows if JW changed the play at the line or not.

Fact is that our passing game got us lots more yards than our run game had the entire game until Hurd broke 1 big play.

You can bet that Stoops was pissed after that 1 big running play and was raising hell to stop our run game no matter what.

Our O line did the best they could, especially with 3 true freshmen playing on 1 side of the line, and I'm proud of those kids for giving everything they had and never quitting.

JW wanted desperately to make a play and get the TD for us and he forced the pass and I think that pass was also tipped that caused the INT that broke our backs.

No matter what play was called some people on here would whine and cry about it and that's just the VN way around here.

I see nobody here on VN making big money coaching for any college football team so take what's said with that in mind.

Everyone has opinions and guesses and that's fine but always show some respect for our players and coaches that DO want to get the WIN just as badly as all of us want it.

It's still just a guess that a run play would have worked but it's just as easy that we would have been stuffed for no gain or a loss.

I'm still surprised that we didn't have a RB in that set but I'm not a college coach either so I'll just be a fan and appreciate all the work our players and coaches put in for our entertainment.

I'm sure tired of losing though but I see solid improvement and I know our future is very bright.

#BrickbyBrick...VFL...GBO!!!
 
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madbamahater said:
No moral victories. The Vols fought hard to the end and we haven't seen that in years. They play for Butch Jones. He has to hire a new Offensive Coordinator. The play calling was irrational. When game should have been cut to 27-17 the OC put Worley and the offense in a very high risk low reward situation. It was irresponsible to NOT run the ball when Worley took it inside the 5 (with a chance to get another 1st down). Especially after having so much success running the ball the second half. 3 things can happen when you throw the ball and 2 of them are bad. The Vols had no business being in the game and the 34-10 doesn't really tell the story because of that late junk pick TD that shouldn't have even been called. Way to go young Vols for carrying the fight to Norman! The offensive play calling was simply inexcusable at times. At crucial times
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Helm was coming open in the end zone for what would have been an easy TD, Worley just forced it in. It happens. Bray did this against Vandy twice a few years back and I don't recall people blaming Chaney.

My only issue with some of the play calling were all the WR screens/swing passes. OK had too much speed to allow those to work.
 
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volfanbill said:
Worley didn't line them up 5 wide from the get go on the goal line play. Worley wasn't the one not sending in TE and RB blocking help/ dump off passes to stop the blitz. I have a lot of questions after tonight concerning the offensive coaching staff.
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Call time out there and get the right play called.....I have confidence that the qb and the OC were on the same page.......
 
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While the offensive line did have their struggles, the issue that wasn't ever addressed was Striker blitzing off the edge all night. I can understand the offense wanting to run their 2x2 WR sets, but a TE was needed to slow Striker down. Also, the offense still could have run 2x2 sets with a TE instead of another WR. I was miffed by the OC not considering that as an option. Just my two cents...
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
I don't think so.

I think a fair portion of the fan base saw us line up with an empty backfield and thought WTF?? immediately.

For me, it was two down territory (got to get a TD there on the road in a game like that).

It was a bonehead play call that put our team in the worst possible scenario. It was a really good defensive play as well. If we don't make that call, we probably still don't win, but the whole nation is talking about Tennessee making noise and how strong the SEC is.
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I wasn't really commenting on the play call so much as how ridiculous the constant babble is about firing this coach or that coordinator whenever someone doesn't like the play calling. Was it the right call? :question: I'll have to defer to the coaches on that one.
 
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kohlrums said:
Helm was coming open in the end zone for what would have been an easy TD, Worley just forced it in. It happens. Bray did this against Vandy twice a few years back and I don't recall people blaming Chaney.

My only issue with some of the play calling were all the WR screens/swing passes. OK had too much speed to allow those to work.
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No I blame Chaney for calling a pass play in an obvious run situation during end of the 2012 South Carolina game that resulted in Bray getting stripped and us losing the game. Neal had been running all over them that drive.

The 3rd and 2 call in Norman was EXTREMELY Chaney-esque.
 
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#69
#69
why r some folks so insane they want to fire a coach after a few plays they don't agree with?? Just relax and enjoy the season.
 
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kohlrums said:
Helm was coming open in the end zone for what would have been an easy TD, Worley just forced it in. It happens. Bray did this against Vandy twice a few years back and I don't recall people blaming Chaney.

My only issue with some of the play calling were all the WR screens/swing passes. OK had too much speed to allow those to work.
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agreed.. they tried to use the screens swing to substitute for a lacking run game... probably just should have run it north and south.. It's easy to say in retrospect
 
#71
#71
so you propose what OP?? getting the 4th new OC/scheme in 6 years; now that is genius and will certainly help this young vols team be successful in the future.... some people....:banghead2::banghead2::banghe
 
#72
#72
Vol Catdaddy said:
I don't think anyone needs to be fired just a come to Jesus meeting find out what the online unit can do and let's get more quick pass in our arsenal like slants and screens.
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I hear you on the slants... I have heard people calling for slants for two years. I believe this offense does not have those plays or any tight end calls. I have to believe that the playbook may be opened up a little more against the dawgs. Bottom line is we have a lot more talent on this team than last year.
 
#73
#73
Y'all are killing me. Last time I checked we had two long runs and numerous TFL. Our O-line is bad. Throwing it was the right call QB just made (a rare this season) bad decision. Chill.
If he ran the ball four times and got know where y'all would be upset because, "our receivers are so talented." Throw it to North/Pig/Malone and play to your strength.
 
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#75
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madbamahater said:
No moral victories. The Vols fought hard to the end and we haven't seen that in years. They play for Butch Jones. He has to hire a new Offensive Coordinator. The play calling was irrational. When game should have been cut to 27-17 the OC put Worley and the offense in a very high risk low reward situation. It was irresponsible to NOT run the ball when Worley took it inside the 5 (with a chance to get another 1st down). Especially after having so much success running the ball the second half. 3 things can happen when you throw the ball and 2 of them are bad. The Vols had no business being in the game and the 34-10 doesn't really tell the story because of that late junk pick TD that shouldn't have even been called. Way to go young Vols for carrying the fight to Norman! The offensive play calling was simply inexcusable at times. At crucial times
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So I guess a moral victory is a loss where the team kept fighting until the end. If that is the case, and you don't want any more of those, then would you just prefer a straight forward beat down? Would you have prefered Oki won 60-0? I mean, I understand we all want to win these games, but just what does it mean to say "no more moral victories?"
 
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