Butch's Offense: Better Than What We've Seen (WARNING: long)

[JAEvans24]

It's no secret that most of VolNation is not enamored with the play calling and lack of variety thus far. We have many upset that we are running the seemingly same plays; others are unhappy with not throwing more.

Let Coach Boone's wisdom, from 'Remember the Titans' sink in here: "It's like Novacaine, just give it time it always works."

Another problem that many of us have is accepting the implementation of an entirely new style of offense - the spread option/zone run scheme. For years, Tennessee has been an avid 'Pro Style' offense (still my favorite), but CBJ and staff have a different philosophy. Their philosophy hinges on the spread read option.

Here is one of the great offensive college minds explaining.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x6RnpZEEgw&feature=share&list=PLD3ji-pwTp5KTGUYcIS__vioh_fT3VhkG[/youtube]​

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This year we have one major problem. We don't have the quarterback to run it well.

Butch's QB this year (pro style):
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Butch's QB last year (dual threat & faster):
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I'm not knocking Worley, but he isn't even doing the pro style well. With that said, he never was recruited to run a read option style offense.

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I'm not going to go all E-Coach, but I have spent the past two hours watching old film from Butch's offense at Cincinnati in 2011 and 2012. The defense acts completely different than the defenses we are seeing this year. Worley has only kept the ball five times in five games. The defensive end always crashes down on the RB, essentially negating the 'QB Blocking Defender' advantage this offense creates.

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Examples of the defensive end staying honest and guarding the quarterback in Butch's offense[spoiler: good things happen].

DE #93 watches Legaux giving the rb only 1 guy to beat - Result: TD

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXYny0iLq7A&feature=share&list=PLD3ji-pwTp5KTGUYcIS__vioh_fT3VhkG[/youtube]​

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DE #90 watches Legaux allowing the RB to house it

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBUHk4HQsb4&feature=share&list=PLD3ji-pwTp5KTGUYcIS__vioh_fT3VhkG[/youtube]​

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Left DE contains QB making for another TD

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RWFTfO0DiI&feature=share&list=PLD3ji-pwTp5KTGUYcIS__vioh_fT3VhkG[/youtube]​

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The Read Option allows for tremendous Play Action opportunities - particularly down field. The quarterback has to be able to make deep throws; something Worley is struggling with and frankly, the coaching staff is afraid to let him do with consistency.

3 Play Action/Read Option plays where the action burnt the defense after they committed to stopping the read option run​

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmupiAnS9nU&feature=share&list=PLD3ji-pwTp5KTGUYcIS__vioh_fT3VhkG[/youtube]​

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7aOqp2sz4I&feature=share&list=PLD3ji-pwTp5KTGUYcIS__vioh_fT3VhkG[/youtube]
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjIXE9Qu5nQ&feature=share&list=PLD3ji-pwTp5KTGUYcIS__vioh_fT3VhkG[/youtube]​

[BONUS: Goal Line Play Action]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fg7-_wAaKc&feature=share&list=PLD3ji-pwTp5KTGUYcIS__vioh_fT3VhkG[/youtube]​

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This offense allows for overloads:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSjebOe1_Gw&feature=share&list=PLD3ji-pwTp5KTGUYcIS__vioh_fT3VhkG[/youtube]​

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It also allows for trick plays and reverses:

Bubble Screen WR to QB Pass:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPSOBzhAtM4&feature=share&list=PLD3ji-pwTp5KTGUYcIS__vioh_fT3VhkG[/youtube]​

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Rest assured ladies and gents that Butch has more run plays. He has the dart, outside zone, inside zone, counter, zone trap and more. Butch has said time and time again that he will only run the plays after the offense fully grasps it. The defense doesn't always have to be fooled. Real football offenses simply smash the defensive line and get 4 yards or more. If we can't do that than why should we turn to more complicated zone runs.

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I would like to address a fallacious knock on this style offense. That knock being that this offense will not work against the SEC due to speed. It's true that SEC has the fastest players in the country and the concern is a legitimate one. That's the beauty of this offense. Most of these runs are off tackle, unless the QB keeps it. Furthermore, many teams run this in the SEC: Florida, TAMU, South Carolina, Auburn and more. Other very good teams around the country that run it and run it effectively: Oregon, Ohio State, Michigan, etc.

I wanted to post more and explain the dart play (a staple for the explosive Clemson offense), the read option style of Oregon (another explosive offense), and Urban Meyers power read option in Ohio State that Braxton Miller kills it with.

We will get it. Butch Jones is 3-2 as expected. We have, what many analysts say is the hardest schedule in the history of college football. Our team will be exposed, but Butch is plain and simple a winner. I think the man deserves a little more patience and respect.

I'm not okay with mediocrity at Tennessee - but the fact is plain and simple that it will take time. Let him coach. Everyone clamored for Peterman and look what happened. Butch wants to keep the redshirts on these young freshmen and I'm sure he has a dang good reason to do it. Worley simply is not very good and it's at the most important position. This year will be tough, but allow him to recruit players and develop the young talent we have.

Lastly, I know we've had some bad coaches recently, but I truly think Butch is a winner. Kiffin and Dooley were failed experiments but Butch has tasted championships and developed Big East (and MAC) players into NFL caliber players. Imagine what he can do here at THE University of Tennessee with time, support, and the resources that our great school afford.

 

[JAEvans24]

BONUS PLAY: DART - This is a great run from the read option that once the offense implements will be formidable. Clemson currently runs it better than anyone in the country.

"The Dart play is an isolation play, but without using the FB to make the isolation block on the Linebacker. It is referred to as a "tackle iso" as well. In some cases it can look like a trap, and indeed those who are familiar with the Wing-T would find it analogous to a FB Trap. It is a complimentary play to the Power and Counter, run to the opposite side and using the Tackle instead of the Guard." (credit to shakinginthesouthland.com)

 

[92volalum]

This again!?????? Let me ask u this if u knew as a coach u could win 6 or 7 games if u modified your system or u could run your system n not win but 4 or 5.. which should you do or should do because u r hired to win n win as often as possible..

All system work with a cam or tebow but how many r winning championships consistently in the sec with a spread n avg qb play??? Miss state??? Ole miss???

He will get 3 years but the fans won't be aaround if his first two seasons r less than 6 wins n that's just reality

 

[tngivem6]

Nice work up. Well done! Better than listenng to some babble on and on.
Good job!
In Butch we trust!
GO BIG ORANGE!!!

 

[GBO97]

Showed pics of white vs black qb's
Racist imo

 

[jackaro]

I understand a read option offense is a wonderful thing, when it is working. But like you said, we don't have a quarterback for it so defenses can key on the running back and just blow it up. It will take a couple of years to get the offense going in this system, and to recruit the right players for it. My frustration comes from having to wait for it, I am sick of waiting. We have been 2 years away for what seems like forever. Besides, I always thought good coaches adjust their system to the players they have.

 

[Freak]

Great thread and discussion JAEvans. I really enjoy these types of threads. :hi:

 

[tngivem6]

This again!?????? Let me ask u this if u knew as a coach u could win 6 or 7 games if u modified your system or u could run your system n not win but 4 or 5.. which should you do or should do because u r hired to win n win as often as possible..

All system work with a cam or tebow but how many r winning championships consistently in the sec with a spread n avg qb play??? Miss state??? Ole miss???

He will get 3 years but the fans won't be aaround if his first two seasons r less than 6 wins n that's just reality

How often does a Cam or Teebow arrive on ANY campus? They could run the wishbone and win with those guys.
It's not just the system but the players. Players have to fit and buy into the system for it to work.
Look what happen to Fulmer when he tried to change his system to the dreaded "Clawfense". No body bought into that crapy offense, thus he got fired. Coach has to be confident in his philosophy and find the players to fit his system. Heck kiffin push T. Boyd to Clemson.

 

[Ashevolle]

This again!?????? Let me ask u this if u knew as a coach u could win 6 or 7 games if u modified your system or u could run your system n not win but 4 or 5.. which should you do or should do because u r hired to win n win as often as possible..

All system work with a cam or tebow but how many r winning championships consistently in the sec with a spread n avg qb play??? Miss state??? Ole miss???

He will get 3 years but the fans won't be aaround if his first two seasons r less than 6 wins n that's just reality

shut up

 

[JAEvans24]

This again!?????? Let me ask u this if u knew as a coach u could win 6 or 7 games if u modified your system or u could run your system n not win but 4 or 5.. which should you do or should do because u r hired to win n win as often as possible..

All system work with a cam or tebow but how many r winning championships consistently in the sec with a spread n avg qb play??? Miss state??? Ole miss???

He will get 3 years but the fans won't be aaround if his first two seasons r less than 6 wins n that's just reality

People keep saying this.

Pro Style offenses utilize vertical passing more than most styles. What Makes you think Worley can do that any better?

Why don't we try and utilize a West Coast offense where we throw short, quick passes? Well, Worley threw two interceptions on routes less than 7 yards (5 yard out and a 6 yard button route).

I think Butch sees it as using this year to implement his offense. I don't think Worley would be very successful in any offense. Our running game did very well yesterday, so the read option did great.

 

[Other_Guy]

This again!?????? Let me ask u this if u knew as a coach u could win 6 or 7 games if u modified your system or u could run your system n not win but 4 or 5.. which should you do or should do because u r hired to win n win as often as possible..

All system work with a cam or tebow but how many r winning championships consistently in the sec with a spread n avg qb play??? Miss state??? Ole miss???

He will get 3 years but the fans won't be aaround if his first two seasons r less than 6 wins n that's just reality

Wow this is a retarded post. Are you kidding me? Why would you change your system? So next year everyone but the incoming freshman would have to relearn ANOTHER way of playing once he swapped back to his way? Then each year he changes some for each new starter? This is HIS system. He runs THIS system because his system ISN'T pro style the same reasson Saban doesn't swap the spread option if his best QB is spread option. He can't change for short term he's gotta get things established.

"Ok guys we aren't doing things well so let's go half/half on spread/pro style and make things more difficult."

Stupid post.

 

[JAEvans24]

Nice work up. Well done! Better than listenng to some babble on and on.
Good job!
In Butch we trust!
GO BIG ORANGE!!!

Great thread and discussion JAEvans. I really enjoy these types of threads. :hi:

Thanks fellas, :hi:

 

[A_Vol_n_Hog_Country]

It's not his system I'm worried about it. As you've pointed out it works with the right players. I'm concerned with lack of adjustments and the willingness to change a few things that make his system more suitable for our current players.

 

[Other_Guy]

Great thread and discussion JAEvans. I really enjoy these types of threads. :hi:

Freak you should sticky this thread for negavols to get a clue

 

[Freak]

People keep saying this.

Pro Style offenses utilize vertical passing more than most styles. What Makes you think Worley can do that any better?

Why don't we try and utilize a West Coast offense where we throw short, quick passes? Well, Worley threw two interceptions on routes less than 7 yards (5 yard out and a 6 yard button route).

I think Butch sees it as using this year to implement his offense. I don't think Worley would be very successful in any offense. Our running game did very well yesterday, so the read option did great.

Exactly my thought process. I'd like to hear how a pro style passing game with an I-formation running attack makes us a better team today.

 

[D-rock]

Great thread and information. It is always nice to be able to identify the people that have a brain and know how to use it. I like the optimism and I agree with everything that you said. Better things to come. The future is bright and it is ORANGE!

 

[Vol_Doc]

Very nice analysis. Fans are fickle, impatient, and mostly ignorant. I'm going to put faith in Butch and see how his system plays out over the next few years. If he's the right guy, the wins will come. If not, we'll move on.

 

[Freak]

Freak you should sticky this thread for negavols to get a clue

I don't have anything against "negavols". Some of them just have higher expectations than I do right now. I just want to discuss the issues at hand instead of insisting on continually trying to classify each other as trolls or coach worshipers.

 

[Other_Guy]

It's not his system I'm worried about it. As you've pointed out it works with the right players. I'm concerned with lack of adjustments and the willingness to change a few things that make his system more suitable for our current players.

So do some pro style stuff so Worley can throw it into the ground some more? And so should he change for the next 2 or 3 years while the majority of the players are around? O and then the freshman come in that Butch wants and struggles in his tweaked system?

You can't do that IMHO you must stick with your system and keep things consistent.

 

[KB5252]

For those that are complaining about not adjusting the system...... He has watered the system down, we are basic because we are making the transition to the spread option with a weal pro style qb.

A new system takes 2 to 3 years to fully implement. Are you willing to sacrifice building by installing the basics of your system for an outside shot at possibly winning a game or two? Or do you take those lumps with your system this year with the basics installed and with a better option at qb with 4 years left to play.........assuming we don't have to burn a redshirt.

This has been the plan since he evaluated our talent. I is as obvious as the nose on your face.

 

[JAEvans24]

For those that are complaining about not adjusting the system...... He has watered the system down, we are basic because we are making the transition to the spread option with a weal pro style qb.

A new system takes 2 to 3 years to fully implement. Are you willing to sacrifice building by installing the basics of your system for an outside shot at possibly winning a game or two? Or do you take those lumps with your system this year with the basics installed and with a better option at qb with 4 years left to play.........assuming we don't have to burn a redshirt.

This has been the plan since he evaluated our talent. I is as obvious as the nose on your face.

I truly believe this is what he's doing. A system takes time and the more our team works, the faster he will unfold the playbook.

I actually think his shows maturity from CBJ because he isn't giving into the pressure, but sticking to his convictions. It bodes well to the faith he has in his product.

 

[tnmarktx]

Great thread. For those Butch doubters, Worley is not there as a college QB. He probably wasn't developed well by previous staff, and he may never develop in to a goog college QB. However, when he has time and his mechanics are good he can make great throws like the one to Josh Smith. As far as the WR's I think Josh Smith and Marquez North will be good. Hopefully the other WR's will develop as well. Sadly they aren't there yet. Our Oline is the biggest disappointment IMO. I thought we had 2 1st round NFL tackles, but we don't. They are good but not great. More like 5th or 6th round tallent. Our RB's are serviceable but not great.

On defense, Sapp and Sutton are doing well IMO. Everyone else are just average. Biggest disappointment on defense is the lack of pressure from the Dline and how slow AJ Johnson is. With recruiting, I think Butch will remedy this. Also, I think Jalen Reeves Maybin is going to do very well. I'm starting to see him make some big time plays on special teams. I expect him to possibly contribute at linebacker in the future.

 

[tomq_123]

Great post. I think what people keep missing is this year is really about teaching the young receivers how to run the correct routes and to be physical in blocking. It's not about the QB, since I think CBJ feels he has it future QB on campus (Ferg or Dobbs) and will hopefully get the red shirt both of them for the future.

 

[Jimmytrue]

Excellent, well thought out, reasonable post. How dare you bring this into the VN forums!

 

[Freak]

It's not his system I'm worried about it. As you've pointed out it works with the right players. I'm concerned with lack of adjustments and the willingness to change a few things that make his system more suitable for our current players.

A fair point, but what adjustments and changes would you suggest to make this system more suitable for our current players?