Butler

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hatvol96 said:
Won't be close.
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Hatvol, you may have already answered this, but I just wanted to see why you think this. Is it because of the speed UT has and the pace they play at? Or is it because UT will be much stronger? You don't think Butler can slow the pace of the game down at all? I hope they can't, but if they do, UT might struggle.
 
#27
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tclowers23 said:
Hatvol, you may have already answered this, but I just wanted to see why you think this. Is it because of the speed UT has and the pace they play at? Or is it because UT will be much stronger? You don't think Butler can slow the pace of the game down at all? I hope they can't, but if they do, UT might struggle.
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They'll do a better job of handling the ball than Fordham and Wilmington did. However, they lack the depth of athletes to play 40 minutes with UT. Don't let wins over Notre Dame and Indiana fool you. ND is simply bad and IU has mediocre talent and a coaching staff infested with idiots. This isn't one of Butler's better teams.
 
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If the IU coaching staff this year are "infested with idiots" I would hate to hear what you had to say about the coaching staff for the last 6 years.

Indiana is suffering from the state that Mike Davis left the program in, not anything that Sampson has done. With Eric Gordon and a solid recruiting class IU basketball will be back strong within 2-3 years.

I like what UT is doing in basketball, and Pearl will get the most out of his players, but I think the Vols are only average at this point. The thing about Butler is they are always a smart, experienced basketball team. That being said IU had the down 12 in the last 10-12 minutes of the game and gave it away.

UT by 6-10 maybe more if they foul at the end of the game, but it will be hard fought.
 
#29
#29
hatvol96 said:
They'll do a better job of handling the ball than Fordham and Wilmington did. However, they lack the depth of athletes to play 40 minutes with UT. Don't let wins over Notre Dame and Indiana fool you. ND is simply bad and IU has mediocre talent and a coaching staff infested with idiots. This isn't one of Butler's better teams.
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Yeah, I agree. UT's athletic ability should prevail.
 
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HoosierVol4 said:
Indiana is suffering from the state that Mike Davis left the program in, not anything that Sampson has done. With Eric Gordon and a solid recruiting class IU basketball will be back strong within 2-3 years.
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Mike Davis never had a problem getting talent.
 
#31
#31
tclowers23 said:
Mike Davis never had a problem getting talent.
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Exactly. He's a bad floor coach. Sampson is a mediocre recruiter and an average floor coach who has the recruiting ethics of a crack whore looking in need of a fix. IU gets what they deserved for hiring this guy.
 
#32
#32
tclowers23 said:
Mike Davis never had a problem getting talent.
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You're drunk.:)

Mike Davis never had a problem promising to get talent. He got Bracey Wright who didn't work out all that well, and DJ White through a family connection.

Other than that he missed on Sean May, Mike Conley, Eric Gordon, Greg Oden, etc. etc. All of whom played in his backyard.

Besides that he was a great recruiter.:unsure:
 
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#33
HoosierVol4 said:
If the IU coaching staff this year are "infested with idiots" I would hate to hear what you had to say about the coaching staff for the last 6 years.

Indiana is suffering from the state that Mike Davis left the program in, not anything that Sampson has done. With Eric Gordon and a solid recruiting class IU basketball will be back strong within 2-3 years.

I like what UT is doing in basketball, and Pearl will get the most out of his players, but I think the Vols are only average at this point. The thing about Butler is they are always a smart, experienced basketball team. That being said IU had the down 12 in the last 10-12 minutes of the game and gave it away.

UT by 6-10 maybe more if they foul at the end of the game, but it will be hard fought.
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Keep believing that. I was in Norman for the OU-Texas Tech football game Saturday. The Sooner fans will be sending the IU administration Christmas cards for taking AT&T Kelvin off their hands. Medicore coach+Mediocre recruiter+Assistant Coaches with a combined IQ of 86=No fun in Bloomington.
 
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#34
hatvol96 said:
Keep believing that. I was in Norman for the OU-Texas Tech football game Saturday. The Sooner fans will be sending the IU administration Christmas cards for taking AT&T Kelvin off their hands. Medicore coach+Mediocre recruiter+Assistant Coaches with a combined IQ of 86=No fun in Bloomington.
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You make me laugh :p
 
#35
#35
HoosierVol4 said:
You're drunk.:)

Mike Davis never had a problem promising to get talent. He got Bracey Wright who didn't work out all that well, and DJ White through a family connection.

Other than that he missed on Sean May, Mike Conley, Eric Gordon, Greg Oden, etc. etc. All of whom played in his backyard.

Besides that he was a great recruiter.:unsure:
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How did he get Robert Vaden? I would say all the IU fans calling for his firing made it a little difficult to recruit Oden, Conley, and Gordon. Have fun with Cingular Sampson. His 3-4 year tenure will be all kinds of fun for IU.
 
#36
#36
hatvol96 said:
Exactly. He's a bad floor coach. Sampson is a mediocre recruiter and an average floor coach who has the recruiting ethics of a crack whore looking in need of a fix. IU gets what they deserved for hiring this guy.
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I can't dispute the illegal phone calls, but give Sampson a shot at recruiting at a BASKETBALL school instead of OU. In two years I might agree with you about him being a mediocre recruiter, give it some time.
 
#37
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Eric Gordon is part of Sampson's recruiting class. He is an IU commit. You may want to check Mike Davis' recruiting classes from the past 4-5 years.

HoosierVol4 said:
You're drunk.:)

Mike Davis never had a problem promising to get talent. He got Bracey Wright who didn't work out all that well, and DJ White through a family connection.

Other than that he missed on Sean May, Mike Conley, Eric Gordon, Greg Oden, etc. etc. All of whom played in his backyard.

Besides that he was a great recruiter.:unsure:
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#38
#38
hatvol96 said:
How did he get Robert Vaden? I would say all the IU fans calling for his firing made it a little difficult to recruit Oden, Conley, and Gordon. Have fun with Cingular Sampson. His 3-4 year tenure will be all kinds of fun for IU.
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Vaden was a pretty good recruit but he let him get heavy and out of shape once he arrived at IU. By the way I love Vaden.

However the fan base had nothing to do with Oden, Conley, Gordon, or May not coming. All four of their dads weren't big fans of Davis. May's dad was just more of a Knight loyalist, but the other three didn't approve of him. Or so the story goes.
 
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Well I go to IU and I have season tickets to the bball games, so If anybody ever wants to kno how Sampson and the squad is doin ill let u kno. Im thinkin they end up 3rd in the Big Ten. As for UT I think theyll end up havin a similar record to last year.
 
#40
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HoosierVol4 said:
Vaden was a pretty good recruit but he let him get heavy and out of shape once he arrived at IU. By the way I love Vaden.
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Speaking of gettin heavy, almost every player on IU has gained atleast 10 lbs of muscle with Sampsons off season workouts, DJ White gained 25 lbs.
 
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tclowers23 said:
Eric Gordon is part of Sampson's recruiting class. He is an IU commit. You may want to check Mike Davis' recruiting classes from the past 4-5 years.
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I don't need to check them because I remember them and they were less than stellar. The main problem with Davis is that when these guys came to him they didn't get any better.

And his recruiting classes is not what he promised they would be....EVER. You're going to have a hard time finding any IU fan that is going to disagree with me on that.
 
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HoosierVol4 said:
Vaden was a pretty good recruit but he let him get heavy and out of shape once he arrived at IU. By the way I love Vaden.

However the fan base had nothing to do with Oden, Conley, Gordon, or May not coming. All four of their dads weren't big fans of Davis. May's dad was just more of a Knight loyalist, but the other three didn't approve of him. Or so the story goes.
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North Carolina was a compromise choice for Sean May. Scott wanted him play for Coach Knight, Sean wanted to play at IU. They essentially split the difference. I find it hard to believe that knowing a coach may well not be there when you arrive doesn't hurt his chances. Nobody seems to give Thad Matta any credit for recruiting Oden and Conley. It's not like IU has some proprietary interest in every big time recruit within the borders of the Hoosier State. See Montross, Eric.
 
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HoosierVol4 said:
I don't need to check them because I remember them and they were less than stellar. The main problem with Davis is that when these guys came to him they didn't get any better.

And his recruiting classes is not what he promised they would be....EVER. You're going to have a hard time finding any IU fan that is going to disagree with me on that.
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http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=7&p=9&cfg=bb&c=8&toinid=406&iSchoolStateProvinceId=-1&yr=2004

No talent in this class.
 
#46
#46
hatvol96 said:
North Carolina was a compromise choice for Sean May. Scott wanted him play for Coach Knight, Sean wanted to play at IU. They essentially split the difference. I find it hard to believe that knowing a coach may well not be there when you arrive doesn't hurt his chances. Nobody seems to give Thad Matta any credit for recruiting Oden and Conley. It's not like IU has some proprietary interest in every big time recruit within the borders of the Hoosier State. See Montross, Eric.
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I agree with you on the Matta part. I give him a lot of credit. My only problem is that IU was never really a serious player for either of them. Also, I don't mind losing one player, but to miss on all of them is not acceptable. Not when you are one of the Top 5 basketball programs of ALL TIME!
 
#48
#48
HoosierVol4 said:
I agree with you on the Matta part. I give him a lot of credit. My only problem is that IU was never really a serious player for either of them. Also, I don't mind losing one player, but to miss on all of them is not acceptable. Not when you are one of the Top 5 basketball programs of ALL TIME!
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Conley was always going to follow Oden. Once Greg zeroed in on OSU, that was that. I wouldn't consider that two recruiting misses. It was really just one.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Conley was always going to follow Oden. Once Greg zeroed in on OSU, that was that. I wouldn't consider that two recruiting misses. It was really just one.
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It was pretty well known that Conley's dad was not a Davis fan AT ALL. And Oden wanted to go where Conley just as bad as the opposite. Since IU wasn't on Conley's list it wasn't going to get serious consideration from Oden.
 
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