CA, Dependent On Solar Power, Has Rolling Blackouts In Heat Wave. Hint: The Sun Sets At Night.

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marcusluvsvols said:
Lol...leaving in droves. Needs to be a mandatory "debriefing" for anyone moving out of CA or NY....explaining to them that the liberal bullcrap policies and leaders they voted for are the EXACT reason they are leaving now. It just might deter them from bringing their politics with them and ruining their new destination. Doubtful...but it might. At least then they couldn't claim ignorance I guess...
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Isn't that the problem, those people of the state......so the question is who are the people leaving.......that's what would be the interesting factoid.
 
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Weezy said:
Long story short, you can put your money on technology that has never came close to accomplishing its stated goal, or you can go with the one that has done it. Seems obvious to me.
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You're missimg the point. Those blue states dont want cheap energy, it's all about forcing gov reliance. These rollimg blackouts are all about gov control.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Lol...leaving in droves. Needs to be a mandatory "debriefing" for anyone moving out of CA or NY....explaining to them that the liberal bullcrap policies and leaders they voted for are the EXACT reason they are leaving now. It just might deter them from bringing their politics with them and ruining their new destination. Doubtful...but it might. At least then they couldn't claim ignorance I guess...
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Thats the problem, those fools leave but brimg their politics with them.
 
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OHvol40 said:
The levelized cost of energy for a new nuclear plant in 2018 is $151 (112 to 189)/MWh. This compares with $43 (29 to 56)/MWh for onshore wind and $41 (36 to 46)/MWh for utility-scale solar from the same source. I mean, that’s crystal clear as far as cost.

I’m not just trusting the press, I’ve made it a point to attend seminars and town hall style discussions hosted by (one of) my alma maters where energy sector people from every facet are invited. I’ve heard multiple nuclear execs and workers transparently explain the problems with their industry, though it’s mostly just a confirmation of what most of us already know. The issues always come back to cost, safety and waste disposal. I’m not saying this isn’t solvable, but it probably isn’t practical.
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Those analyses do not account for reliability. For the power grid, supply has to match exactly demand at all times, not more, not less. So as you get more solar and wind penetration, it gets exponentially more expensive because you have to have batteries (which don't exist on this scale) or gas that can throttle and peak. That's why Germany spent a trillion dollars on 30% penetration.

The nuclear costs in those studies always really on Western countries. China, Russia, and South Korea can build them on budget and on time. Meanwhile the Vogtle builders have no intentions on finishing. It's an ATM at this point. That's not a technology problem.

Also, if solar and wind are so much cheaper, why don't we get rid of the subsidies and targets that force them on the grid? If the concern is cheap gas and coal, then let's just do a carbon tax? The reason is because this is being driven by grifters.

Also, Universities are garbage. The private sector has all but abandoned them to governments.
 
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Weezy said:
Those analyses do not account for reliability. For the power grid, supply has to match exactly demand at all times, not more, not less. So as you get more solar and wind penetration, it gets exponentially more expensive because you have to have batteries (which don't exist on this scale) or gas that can throttle and peak. That's why Germany spent a trillion dollars on 30% penetration.

The nuclear costs in those studies always really on Western countries. China, Russia, and South Korea can build them on budget and on time. Meanwhile the Vogtle builders have no intentions on finishing. It's an ATM at this point. That's not a technology problem.

Also, if solar and wind are so much cheaper, why don't we get rid of the subsidies and targets that force them on the grid? If the concern is cheap gas and coal, then let's just do a carbon tax? The reason is because this is being driven by grifters.

Also, Universities are garbage. The private sector has all but abandoned them to governments.
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Nuclear is human error prone. Waste disposal is second issue.

The failure rate for chillers, dampers, coolers, all parts and processes are..........get ready.....ZERO PERCENT FAILURE RATE.
 
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tennvols77 said:
Nuclear is human error prone. Waste disposal is second issue.

The failure rate for chillers, dampers, coolers, all parts and processes are..........get ready.....ZERO PERCENT FAILURE RATE.
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That's why they've had so many errors? Nuclear is the safest energy source:
Mortality rate globally by energy source 2012 | Statista

Waste is not an issue. In fact, nuclear is the only industry that deals with its waste. It's safely contained in casks. Never had an accident in transport or storage. Can be moved safely to a final disposal site whenever the government decides to do it, or they can stay where they are at with no problems. And they have already paid for it by putting money in a fund. No other energy source is even managing their wastes. There's no place for the wind blades or solar panels. Gas burns off and releases it's wastes. Coal releases its and stores ash in ponds, which Tennesseans should know comes with its own problems.
 
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Weezy said:
That's why they've had so many errors? Nuclear is the safest energy source:
Mortality rate globally by energy source 2012 | Statista

Waste is not an issue. In fact, nuclear is the only industry that deals with its waste. It's safely contained in casks. Never had an accident in transport or storage. Can be moved safely to a final disposal site whenever the government decides to do it, or they can stay where they are at with no problems. And they have already paid for it by putting money in a fund. No other energy source is even managing their wastes. There's no place for the wind blades or solar panels. Gas burns off and releases it's wastes. Coal releases its and stores ash in ponds, which Tennesseans should know comes with its own problems.
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Edit: I might have missed your sarcasm. Apologies. Still worth making a point.
 
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UT_Dutchman said:
Isn't that the last running nuke plant in cali?

Safe travels back to ETN.
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Yes it is, but now Unit 1 is in an extended outage and Unit 2 is offline because of a hydrogen leak in the stator cooling system.
I spent 5 years at San Onofre nuclear plant near San Clemente but thanks to Cali’s stooges named Barbara Boxer and Dianne Finestine they push to shut it down, if it had been anywhere east of the Mississippi, it would still be pumping out megawatts.
Been in and out of Diablo canyon for 15 years doing outages and preoutage work. But shutting down SONGS in 2013 and Diablo in 2024 will close down really shows how stupid these sheepishly people want to live and they have no idea why the brown outs/black outs occur or their costy utilities bill.
Nukes just sit there pumping out clean, cheap power when they are built correctly and maintained. Such stupid people
 
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tennvols77 said:
Nuclear is human error prone. Waste disposal is second issue.

The failure rate for chillers, dampers, coolers, all parts and processes are..........get ready.....ZERO PERCENT FAILURE RATE.
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As much as I wish this were true, it's not. The Westinghouse AP1000 has had multiple RCP failures in the last year. I agree a lot of issues are caused by human error, but there are mechanical failures.
 
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bigvols98 said:
Bless your heart. I suppose there’s maybe one or two more people in California that are Democrat as opposed to Republican
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Yet another dumbass comment. Who is more likely to leave their Utopia, one whom is supportive of their dumbassery or one whom is tired of their oppressive and fiscally irresponsible nanny state tactics?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Yet another dumbass comment. Who is more likely to leave their Utopia, one whom is supportive of their dumbassery or one whom is tired of their oppressive and fiscally irresponsible nanny state tactics?
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Because everybody in America is beholden to their beliefs and politics to determine where they live and not opportunities or situations that would cause one to move states.I stand by my statement, bless your tiny little heart
 
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bigvols98 said:
Because everybody in America is beholden to their beliefs and politics to determine where they live and not opportunities or situations that would cause one to move states.I stand by my statement, bless your tiny little heart
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Nice non sequitur Cletus. Nobody is talking about job or life forced moves and the move data clearly indicates this is a personal choice. Yeah I’m convinced more than ever you’re Mick the dumbass shot from the grassy knoll is his goto move.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Nice non sequitur Cletus. Nobody is talking about job or life forced moves and the move data clearly indicates this is a personal choice. Yeah I’m convinced more than ever you’re Mick the dumbass shot from the grassy knoll is his goto move.
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Sounds like a great guy but unfortunately for you that is incorrect much like other pointless rants you have. @Mick if you are still out there hit me up this pair of clownshoes has us confused hah.
 
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utvolpj said:
76 here but it's usually so hot in the summer that is plenty

Solar absolutely needs to be figured out though. Absolutely no reason for it not to be affordable and easily utilized in states like FL or AZ
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I think it's because they haven't figured out how to store the unused energy efficiently, right? Maybe I'm behind on the tech.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I think it's because they haven't figured out how to store the unused energy efficiently, right? Maybe I'm behind on the tech.
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You can’t store AC energy. You store DC energy. The power grid is AC. It’s fairly inefficient to go from AC to DC, store DC, then go from DC back to AC to distribute.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
You can’t store AC energy. You store DC energy. The power grid is AC. It’s fairly inefficient to go from AC to DC, store DC, then go from DC back to AC to distribute.
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Why do they need to go from AC to DC in this process? Why can't the solar energy be processed as DC initially and stored as DC, then converted into AC?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Why do they need to go from AC to DC in this process? Why can't the solar energy be processed as DC initially and stored as DC, then converted into AC?
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Oh it can. That’s in fact how it works. I probably misunderstood the question. For some reason I thought it was about starting with excess AC power. Doh moment on my part.
 
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