'19 CA LB Henry To'oto'o (Tennessee Signee)

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TideWarrior said:
You can still back count. You no longer can get a non-qualifier spot back once they sign. You can not force a kid to take a grayshirt. Blue shirt may noy longer be allowed but unsure about that
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Blueshirts are allowed but you can’t officially recruit them. Butch used the hell out of backcounting but that ended...effective 2017.
Football Bowl Subdivision schools are limited to signing 25 prospective and current student-athletes to a first-time financial aid agreement or a National Letter of Intent. Exceptions exclude current student-athletes who have been enrolled full-time at the school for at least two years and prospective or current student-athletes who suffer an incapacitating injury (effective for recruits who sign after Aug. 1, 2017).
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DI Council adopts new recruiting model | NCAA.com
 
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SLICKYINC said:
How will they be able to take that many? (29-30)
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1) Bama didn't give Jordan Davis an NLI to sign, only saved a spot for him. So an early enrolle can count against that unused 2018 spot.

2) Not sure but I don't think 2018 late addition QB Layne Hatcher got a scholarship. So that's another potential unused 2018 spot that an early enrollee can use.

3) Paul Tyson is enrolling in Jan. His family might (speculation) pay his way through Dec-2019 and then he could get a scholarship in Jan 2020 and count in that class. Technically, he'd be a walk-on until Jan-2020.

4) In the 2017 class Bama had two blueshirts and one grayshirt. The new 25 signings (NLI and/or aid agreement) per academic year limit became effective for signings on or after 8/1/17. So, it appears those 3 counted toward the 2017-18 academic year's signings limit, but counted toward the 2018-19 year's 25 initial counters limit. So, it appears that Bama has those 3 unused 2018-19 signing limit spots that early enrollees can count against, but they'd count toward the 2019-20 year's initial counters limit. In turn, that would result in 3 2019-20 signing limit spots that could be used to take 3 blueshirts.

Generally speaking the new signings limit prevents blueshirting since their fall aid agreement signings would count toward that current academic year's 25 signings limit. But, there's a loophole because of the situation I describe in #4 above. Blueshirts have to be non-recruited -- no arranged off-campus meetings with coaching staff, no NLI and no OV.

That's potentially 6 extra takes above 25. A couple of reliable insiders have said Bama can and might take up to 30.
 
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Catbone said:
Enjoy being #1 for eternity. The rest of its are fighting for #2
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Maybe Saban passes Bear this year, he will call it a game/career. Hopefully level the playing field a little. Unless your a bama fan, it's getting boring. :confused:
 
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MadWorld said:
Maybe Saban passes Bear this year, he will call it a game/career. Hopefully level the playing field a little. Unless your a bama fan, it's getting boring. :confused:
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It's even getting boring for Bama fans at this point. My best friend is a bammer and he hasn't watched a full game except the 3rd Saturday in October in 2 years. He says he's bored with it.
 
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FiremedicVOL127 said:
It's even getting boring for Bama fans at this point. My best friend is a bammer and he hasn't watched a full game except the 3rd Saturday in October in 2 years. He says he's bored with it.
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Lady I work with says basically the same thing. 2-3 games a year her and her husband pay attention to, the rest.., background noise.
 
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It doesn't matter how many players Alabama signed in 2017 or 2018. Alabama has 85 scholarship players on their roster and to sign 25+ players they will have to lose 25+players through graduation or early draft leaves. The magic number is 85 for Bama. I am not sure if they are losing 25+ players. They have 20 seniors on the roster and I doubt all of those are scholarship players.
 
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1TheCoach1 said:
It doesn't matter how many players Alabama signed in 2017 or 2018. Alabama has 85 scholarship players on their roster and to sign 25+ players they will have to lose 25+players through graduation or early draft leaves. The magic number is 85 for Bama. I am not sure if they are losing 25+ players. They have 20 seniors on the roster and I doubt all of those are scholarship players.
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How many go early to the draft you think?
 
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jakez4ut said:
How many go early to the draft you think?
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I have no Idea but I wouldn't think more than 5 or so at most if that many. I just don't see the numbers working out for Bama to sign more than 25 unless they take scholarships away from current players on roster.
 
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butchna said:
Blueshirts are allowed but you can’t officially recruit them. Butch used the hell out of backcounting but that ended...effective 2017.

DI Council adopts new recruiting model | NCAA.com
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Where in there does it say you can not back count? Trying to find it. It does say:

Football Bowl Subdivision schools are limited to signing 25 prospective and current student-athletes to a first-time financial aid agreement or a National Letter of Intent.

But has to do with initial counters for a specific class if I am not mistaken
 
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1TheCoach1 said:
It doesn't matter how many players Alabama signed in 2017 or 2018. Alabama has 85 scholarship players on their roster and to sign 25+ players they will have to lose 25+players through graduation or early draft leaves. The magic number is 85 for Bama. I am not sure if they are losing 25+ players. They have 20 seniors on the roster and I doubt all of those are scholarship players.
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I've examined Bama's roster. A lot of players earn their degrees early. Counting up graduations, early departures to the NFL and likely transfers, it looks like Bama can have enough room under the 85 limit to take up to 30 if they want.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
I've examined Bama's roster. A lot of players earn their degrees early. Counting up graduations, early departures to the NFL and likely transfers, it looks like Bama can have enough room under the 85 limit to take up to 30 if they want.
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Are you taking into account only 15 of the 20 seniors are on scholarship? If you have 85 on scholarship and lose 15 through actual senior attrition that takes your number down to 70. You honestly believe they are going to have 15 more players declare for the draft or graduate early? Bama only had 5 players declare early last year. That is a huge number of players to be counting on to leave early and graduate early.
 
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1TheCoach1 said:
Are you taking into account only 15 of the 20 seniors are on scholarship? If you have 85 on scholarship and lose 15 through actual senior attrition that takes your number down to 70. You honestly believe they are going to have 15 more players declare for the draft or graduate early? Bama only had 5 players declare early last year. That is a huge number of players to be counting on to leave early and graduate early.
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I just now perused the roster and was able to come up with 31 players who will likely depart. That included the categories I mentioned in my post above plus two walkons who got one-year scholarships. I don't expect the 85 total counters limit to be an issue in preventing Bama from using the signing and inital counter spots they'll have at their disposal. That's only happened once in recent years and that resulted in one 2017-class grayshirt. Saban is a master at roster management.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
I just now perused the roster and was able to come up with 31 players who will likely depart. That included the categories I mentioned in my post above plus two walkons who got one-year scholarships. I don't expect the 85 total counters limit to be an issue in preventing Bama from using the signing and inital counter spots they'll have at their disposal. That's only happened once in recent years and that resulted in one 2017-class grayshirt. Saban is a master at roster management.
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You may count that many players but as I stated previously not all of those are scholarship players.
 
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