Cafferty: Obama: Race a factor?

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It's about the same based on the polls today, but we won't know for sure until we see the exit polls. Of course, a few prominent repubs may vote for Obama, so that will skew the final numbers by .000000000000000000000000001%.
 
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Actually, Gore got 90% of the black vote and I think Kerry got less than that(not sure on Kerry). I am betting Obama gets 95% or more, so it is not "about the same" as in the past.
 
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allvol123 said:
Actually, Gore got 90% of the black vote and I think Kerry got less than that(not sure on Kerry). I am betting Obama gets 95% or more, so it is not "about the same" as in the past.
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And black people make up only 12% of the electorate so what's their overall impact if they increase their vote by 2 or 3 points? It could make the difference in a swing state ot two (which is enough to win the election if it's close) but most likely their effect as witnessed in polling is negligible.
 
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notverycrucial said:
And black people make up only 12% of the electorate so what's their overall impact if they increase their vote by 2 or 3 points? It could make the difference in a swing state ot two (which is enough to win the election if it's close) but most likely their effect as witnessed in polling is negligible.
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Considering the last 2 elections, I would hardly call "2 or 3 points" or "12% of the electorate" as negligible.
 
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JZVOL said:
Race is a factor IMO. I feel many white Americans feel guilted into voting for Barack because of his skin color.
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You are exactly right. Had BHO been a first term ultra-liberal white senator with no signifcant accomplishments in his career, he would have not made it past the Iowa caucus.
 
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rockydoc said:
Wrong again, NVC. Kerry, in addition to his military service had served as Mass. District Attorney, Lt. Governor and twenty years as a US senator! Hardly, the resume of Obama.
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My apologies, I obviously misunderstood the meaning of your post. I wasn't trying to compare Obama's experience to John Kerry's, there's obviously no comparison as you deftly pointed out above.. So back to the issue of race (which is what this thread is supposed to be about): Are you suggesting the people of Iowa voted for Barack Obama b/c of some sort of "white guilt?" If so, why do you think that? I'm not playing dumb, I'm curious.
 
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allvol123 said:
You have to watch out for "those" people.
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Conservatives? Hell, I considered myself a conservative until I realized their was no such thing as conservatism in today's party. Basically, if you're a Republican today, then you have to call yourself a conservative (even if you're not).
 
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notverycrucial said:
Conservatives? Hell, I considered myself a conservative until I realized their was no such thing as conservatism in today's party. Basically, if you're a Republican today, then you have to call yourself a conservative (even if you're not).
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"They" will try and label you a conservative even if you don't look like them.
 
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notverycrucial said:
Actually, I've been arguing that race is NOT a factor. It seems it's the conservatives on VN arguing the opposite.
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name one of us who've said that race is a factor other than the 90% black vote that Obama got during the primaries.
 
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I was having a discussion with a liberal girl I recently met. She said she was voting for BO, but commented that once all of the "bigots" come out to vote that Obama wouldn't stand a chance of winning. Basically she was saying that all of the white racists would keep Obama out of the Whitehouse. I said, well if the racists come out to vote, he may have a shot. Basically indicating that the black racists are voting for Obama just because he is black. How many blacks did you see at the DNC, rallys, etc (and it'll be interesting at the polls) when Kerry or Gore ran??? Not near as many as you'll see in this election. Thus proving my point that blacks are just as racist as whites if not more so.
 
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TacomaJPP said:
I was having a discussion with a liberal girl I recently met. She said she was voting for BO, but commented that once all of the "bigots" come out to vote that Obama wouldn't stand a chance of winning. Basically she was saying that all of the white racists would keep Obama out of the Whitehouse. I said, well if the racists come out to vote, he may have a shot. Basically indicating that the black racists are voting for Obama just because he is black. How many blacks did you see at the DNC, rallys, etc (and it'll be interesting at the polls) when Kerry or Gore ran??? Not near as many as you'll see in this election. Thus proving my point that blacks are just as racist as whites if not more so.
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Are you writing your dissertation on this, or was that just it?
 
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notverycrucial said:
Other than all of you who said race was a factor, none.
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cut it with the BS, if you're going to make that claim, prove it.

unless you're one of those idiots like Cafferty who thinks anybody who doesn't vote for Obama is a racist.
 
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MG1968 said:
cut it with the BS, if you're going to make that claim, prove it.

unless you're one of those idiots like Cafferty who thinks anybody who doesn't vote for Obama is a racist.
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Have you even read the thread? I thought I made it clear that I disagreed with Cafferty's assertion when I wrote:

There is no evidence that race will be a factor. Sure, it might be, but there is zero evidence to back up this assertion.
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Again, I was referring to Cafferty, in case that wasn't clear. It's absolutely stupid to think that Obama would be doing better if he was white (as Cafferty spouts). This is a highly polarized electorate, and it was going to be close no matter what. However, some in this forum have argued the opposite of Cafferty: that b/c Obama is black he's actually doing better than if he were white. I argued that that is equally unfounded, too.

I never brought up race -- except to say that there was no evidence to suggest that race would play any role in benefiting either candidate.
 
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notverycrucial said:
Have you even read the thread? I thought I made it clear that I disagreed with Cafferty's assertion when I wrote:



Again, I was referring to Cafferty, in case that wasn't clear. It's absolutely stupid to think that Obama would be doing better if he was white (as Cafferty spouts). This is a highly polarized electorate, and it was going to be close no matter what. However, some in this forum have argued the opposite of Cafferty: that b/c Obama is black he's actually doing better than if he were white. I argued that that is equally unfounded, too.

I never brought up race -- except to say that there was no evidence to suggest that race would play any role in benefiting either candidate.
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read post #36 in this thread. Perhaps I've misunderstood what you were trying to say, but it sounds as if you were claiming that the conservatives here on VN were trying to make race an issue.

I'm trying to get some clarification from you.
 
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MG1968 said:
read post #36 in this thread. Perhaps I've misunderstood what you were trying to say, but it sounds as if you were claiming that the conservatives here on VN were trying to make race an issue.

I'm trying to get some clarification from you.
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Okay, (in post #36) I wrote:
notverycrucial said:
Actually, I've been arguing that race is NOT a factor. It seems it's the conservatives on VN arguing the opposite.
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I thought my point was obvious in the post above, but re-reading it, perhaps I wasn't clear...So to clarify, I'm not saying conservatives here on VN are racist or playing the race card... I am simply pointing out that it's the conservatives (in this thread) that are talking about the issue of race, and its potential impact in this year's election. There's nothing wrong with that! It's a legitimate issue, and judging by the numerous comments, it appears most here have no problem expressing their opinions on the subject...

A few examples:

  • JZVOL said:
    Race is a factor IMO. I feel many white Americans feel guilted into voting for Barack because of his skin color.
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  • onevolfan said:
    Unfortunately I think race and gender both are playing parts in this campaign. There are going to be those who will not vote for Obama because of his skin color, and there are also going to be women who will vote for McCain/Palin just because Palin is a female.....
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All of these examples above are posters suggesting they beleive that race will play a part in this election. They're not condoning it, they're just acknowledging that they believe it will be a factor for various reasons... They're not making race an issue per se, but they are suggesting it will be an issue nontheless.

I happen to disagree with this idea b/c I don't think the data is conclusive... No big deal. We'll find out more in November after we can analyze the exit poll data and compare it to any discrepancies in the actual results.... I hope this helps to clarify my original point.
 
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