Cafferty: Obama: Race a factor?

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notverycrucial said:
Actually, I've been arguing that race is NOT a factor. It seems it's the conservatives on VN arguing the opposite.
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The only argument you heard from most here was that Obama was the one injecting race into the argument. He went out of his way to make it an issue and McCain nor anyone else ever bit.
 
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notverycrucial said:
Okay, (in post #36) I wrote:

I thought my point was obvious in the post above, but re-reading it, perhaps I wasn't clear...So to clarify, I'm not saying conservatives here on VN are racist or playing the race card... I am simply pointing out that it's the conservatives (in this thread) that are talking about the issue of race, and its potential impact in this year's election. There's nothing wrong with that! It's a legitimate issue, and judging by the numerous comments, it appears most here have no problem expressing their opinions on the subject...

A few examples:


All of these examples above are posters suggesting they beleive that race will play a part in this election. They're not condoning it, they're just acknowledging that they believe it will be a factor for various reasons... They're not making race an issue per se, but they are suggesting it will be an issue nontheless.

I happen to disagree with this idea b/c I don't think the data is conclusive... No big deal. We'll find out more in November after we can analyze the exit poll data and compare it to any discrepancies in the actual results.... I hope this helps to clarify my original point.
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So in your post claiming that it was conservatives talking about race in this election you use two conservatives and one liberal to make your point? Interesting.
 
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KB5252 said:
So in your post claiming that it was conservatives talking about race in this election you use two conservatives and one liberal to make your point? Interesting.
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Sorry if I accidentally included a liberal in my examples (i don't know everyone's affiliation here) but by basic point stands: that i don't think race will be a factor. though it appears to me that those bringing it up (whether they be liberals, conservatives or media) want it to be a factor. Again, i doubt it has any impact whatsoever. some will vote for him b/c he is black... others will vote against him b/c he's black. seems like it will all wash out in the end. i bet it's a net gain for no one, thus no effect.
 
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volinbham said:
The drumbeat is getting louder - here's an example of how "Bubba's" are essentially racist.

RealClearPolitics - Articles - Obama vs.'Bubba' Vote
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So who is it saying (or hoping) that Bubba's are racist? It's a nationally prominent REPUBLICAN.

What is Barack Obama's biggest remaining obstacle on his road to the White House? A nationally prominent Republican sums it up in a word: "Bubba."

"The Bubba vote is there, and it's very real, and it is everywhere," former House Majority Leader Dick Armey recently said. "There's an awful lot of people in America, bless their heart, who simply are not emotionally prepared to vote for a black man."
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BigPapaVol said:
this kind of article cannot help Obama in the least.
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This column is the game changer we've been waiting for. Forget Ludacris. Jerimiah Wright. Bill Ayers. Father Pfleger. Michelle Obama's whitey tape. We finally have the smoking gun: a Republican saying that Bubba's may be racist. Obama is doomed!!
 
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More open-minded opinion on the issue:

Racism and the Race

The race boils down to racism. All things being equal, Barack Obama would win the presidency hands down.
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Because millions of white Americans, especially those who are forty-five and older, may not be able to bring themselves to vote for the black guy. It’s that simple.
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Well, that mystery is solved - the only way the vastly superior candidate could lose is racism.
 
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volinbham said:
Formerly prominent.

I didn't say this was a Dem-only thing. C. Page certainly uses Armey as cover in this article every chance he gets.

The point of the article stands. We've had a growth in these articles over the last week or so.

RealClearPolitics - Articles - The Media Play the Race Card on Obama
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I agree. These articles are definitely increasing -- and will continue. With liberal flakes like Clarence Page and conservative hacks like Dick Armey, I'd expect nothing less. Still, doesn't make it true.
 
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Overall, I think it could be a wash. Some won't vote for him because he's black. Some will vote for him (both black and white) because he is black.

One thing is clear though, if he loses it will be blamed on race and whitey will be the culprit.
 
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volinbham said:
Overall, I think it could be a wash. Some won't vote for him because he's black. Some will vote for him (both black and white) because he is black.

One thing is clear though, if he loses it will be blamed on race and whitey will be the culprit.
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I agree, many will unfairly blame it on racism. I won't be one of them unless there is some ridiculous correlation in exit polling. Edit to clarify: Still, even if there is a Bradley effect (people telling pollsters they'll vote for Obama, and then deciding not to), that doesn't necessarily prove those people are racist, it could just as well mean they changed their mind and decided to vote for candidate they feel is more qualified. without specific exit polling questions, we may never know. hopefully, we find out b/c it is an interesting situation.
 
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notverycrucial said:
This column is the game changer we've been waiting for. Forget Ludacris. Jerimiah Wright. Bill Ayers. Father Pfleger. Michelle Obama's whitey tape. We finally have the smoking gun: a Republican saying that Bubba's may be racist. Obama is doomed!!
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Obama cannot like the fact that people are trying to turn this into a white vs. black debate, regardless of your opinion.

It becomes one of those debates too raucously or too publicly and the voter turnout will be larger by Bubbas.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Obama cannot like the fact that people are trying to turn this into a white vs. black debate, regardless of your opinion.

It becomes one of those debates too raucously or too publicly and the voter turnout will be larger by Bubbas.
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I agree, anytime the topic is about race, it takes away from Obama's strength: the issues. It's merely a distraction for him -- and one that plays to Mccain b/c it gets Obama off message if he and the media take the bait. Of course, the media will. Obama won't.

I disagree that Bubba turnout is going to be bolstered by all this media hype of race. Turnout is going to be huge across the board regardless of this race talk.
 
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notverycrucial said:
I agree, anytime the topic is about race, it takes away from Obama's strength: the issues. It's merely a distraction for him -- and one that plays to Mccain b/c it gets Obama off message if he and the media take the bait. Of course, the media will. Obama won't.

I disagree that Bubba turnout is going to be bolstered by all this media hype of race. Turnout is going to be huge across the board regardless of this race talk.
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he's not particularly strong on the issues, either.
 
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