California governor signs "Dream Act"

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superdave1984

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Really? Can we give illegals anything else?
California "Dream Act" approved for illegal immigrants - Yahoo! News

California Governor Jerry Brown signed into law on Monday a bill allowing illegal immigrants to receive privately funded scholarships to attend the state's public colleges and universities.

The bill, dubbed the California Dream Act, passed the state Legislature earlier this month and aims at helping illegal immigrants who earned a diploma after attending at least three years of high school in the state.
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Here's a statement I agree with by Patrick McDonough.
Why should we, when we're having tough economic times ourselves, pay for someone who is here illegally?
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If they are here, and if the plan is to have them contribute to society in terms of taxes and what not, I can see why you wouldn't want to arm them with the education that can actually cause that to occur.

Better to let them find or continue a life of crime, so they can cost you even more when they are in prison.

Makes total sense.
 
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Okay, the current administration took Arizona to court because state law was encroaching on federal law. Why aren't they doing the same here?
 
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superdave1984 said:
Really? Can we give illegals anything else?
California "Dream Act" approved for illegal immigrants - Yahoo! News

California Governor Jerry Brown signed into law on Monday a bill allowing illegal immigrants to receive privately funded scholarships to attend the state's public colleges and universities.

The bill, dubbed the California Dream Act, passed the state Legislature earlier this month and aims at helping illegal immigrants who earned a diploma after attending at least three years of high school in the state.
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You are upset that private funds can be used however one chooses to use them?
 
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So wait, clear this up for me. Does their 'foreign' status put them at better odds for landing the scholarships or is it like a grant that is exclusive only to immigrants? Or does it just mean that they may now qualify for a domestic scholarship, whereas before they could not?
 
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lawgator1 said:
If they are here, and if the plan is to have them contribute to society in terms of taxes and what not, I can see why you wouldn't want to arm them with the education that can actually cause that to occur.

Better to let them find or continue a life of crime, so they can cost you even more when they are in prison.

Makes total sense.
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they don't even have social security numbers. what is educating them going to help exactly? or who will it help exactly? mexico?
 
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lawgator1 said:
If they are here, and if the plan is to have them contribute to society in terms of taxes and what not, I can see why you wouldn't want to arm them with the education that can actually cause that to occur.

Better to let them find or continue a life of crime, so they can cost you even more when they are in prison.

Makes total sense.
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Better to escort them out of our country. They dont belong here and are a drain on this country and her resources. Go through the proper channels for citizenship and I dont have a problem with you.
 
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Can anyone tell my why a law allowing an individual to pay for another individual's tuition with his own private money is a bad thing?
 
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There we go. Thank you, therealut. It's PRIVATE and not federal. Mind you, I am terribly ignorant when it comes to the funding for scholarships, but I do not see why there is hate. The story seems quite twisted to promote an anti-illegal immigrant agenda, if you ask me...not to say that 'agenda' isn't warranted...but it isn't a valid spin, in this case.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If they are here, and if the plan is to have them contribute to society in terms of taxes and what not, I can see why you wouldn't want to arm them with the education that can actually cause that to occur.

Better to let them find or continue a life of crime, so they can cost you even more when they are in prison.

Makes total sense.
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But to what end? There will be fewer scholorships available to the children of hardworking Americans and those who went about things the right way according to the law.

What message are sending when we allow rewards and perks to those that break the law?

Why does a state that is already struggling to stay above water continue to deepen the pool?
 
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utvolpj said:
I'm more upset that the laws of this country are being completely ignored whenever they feel the need
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What are your arguments against illegal immigration? As in, why do you think that is a law that should be on the books and should be defended?
 
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therealUT said:
Can anyone tell my why a law allowing an individual to pay for another individual's tuition with his own private money is a bad thing?
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I dont believe they should be afforded the opportunity to go to school at all if they are illegal.
 
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they already get public financial aid in california, not sure why this law even needed to be passed. pandering to his base i guess.
 
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KB5252 said:
But to what end? There will be fewer scholorships available to the children of hardworking Americans and those who went about things the right way according to the law.

What message are sending when we allow rewards and perks to those that break the law?

Why does a state that is already struggling to stay above water continue to deepen the pool?
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I would argue that plenty of illegal immigrant children are the progeny of hardworking individuals, as well.

The message we send is that the law itself is ludicrous, xenophobic, and has been sensationalized by American Labor as anti-American (whatever "American" really means).
 
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BearCat204 said:
I dont believe they should be afforded the opportunity to go to school at all if they are illegal.
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I thought it was "Land of the Free" and not "Land of the Free (but only if you're a U.S. citizen first, then you do whatever you want)."
 
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therealUT said:
What are your arguments against illegal immigration? As in, why do you think that is a law that should be on the books and should be defended?
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I'll take a shot. A nation has the right to protect it's sovereignty and control who comes in and who doesn't.

It has a right to determine citizenship requirements.

It has a right to determine what privileges and benefits are extended to the citizenry

It has a right to determine how the citizenship elects government.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
I thought it was "Land of the Free" and not "Land of the Free (but only if you're a U.S. citizen first, then you do whatever you want)."
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show me another country that openly pays for illegal immigrant children to go to their public schools?
 
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It's fine and dandy if you think the immigration laws should be changed.

I hardly think that merits supporting willful ignoring of laws you don't agree with. If that's the standard then laws become effectively meaningless.
 
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