California governor signs "Dream Act"

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volinreallife said:
This is not my problem or anybody elses for that matter. Why should we care how hard it is for them to get into the U.S? Why should we make it easy on somebody to get into the U.S, when they give nothing back to society?
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When you want to start paying a hefty amount more for beef, chicken, flour, vegetables, fruit, home construction, etc., just let everyone know.

Personally, I think the US should have kept the Germans, Irish, Polish, Chinese, and Japanese out, as well. Who really needed a transcontinental railroad anyway?
 
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#53
therealUT said:
You are upset that private funds can be used however one chooses to use them?
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But tuition price does not cover the full cost of education. It's heavily subsidized by the taxpayer. At SUU we paid $2300 per semester and the cost per student is $4800, so a scholarship wouldn't even be covering half at my school.
 
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therealUT said:
I would rather you take the time to explain them; it might be lengthy and it might require effort on your behalf, but my reason is that I do not know these "common sense" reasons that you "need not explain".
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So that we know who we are alowing into the country, that they are properly vetted and not fleeing crimes elsewhere etc.

That they are capable of supporting themselves and their families.

There are others but my daughter is pestering me to take her swimming.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If they are here, and if the plan is to have them contribute to society in terms of taxes and what not, I can see why you wouldn't want to arm them with the education that can actually cause that to occur.

Better to let them find or continue a life of crime, so they can cost you even more when they are in prison.

Makes total sense.
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pretty racist to assume a brown person without a CA education is always going to become a criminal
 
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BearCat204 said:
What freedoms are we talking about here? Just curious where you are going with it.
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I am talking about those freedoms which are protected by the military and law enforcement agencies. 99% of American Citizens do not belong to these groups. Therefore, 99% of American citizens have done nothing for their freedom nor for anyone else's, aside from the fact that they happen to be in America.
 
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therealUT said:
When you want to start paying a hefty amount more for beef, chicken, flour, vegetables, fruit, home construction, etc., just let everyone know.

Personally, I think the US should have kept the Germans, Irish, Polish, Chinese, and Japanese out, as well. Who really needed a transcontinental railroad anyway?
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Again this all comes back to bringing something worth while to society. Oh I forgot our immigrants now days clean pools for Hollywood. My bad you are totally correct.
 
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nbakerld said:
But tuition price does not cover the full cost of education. It's heavily subsidized by the taxpayer. At SUU we paid $2300 per semester and the cost per student is $4800, so a scholarship wouldn't even be covering half at my school.
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public money will have to be used. Grants are from the govt and I believe they control student loan programs too. Seems like private doesn't really mean private anymore
 
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therealUT said:
I must have missed the point by focusing on your ridiculous internet aggression.
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You're correct I was threatening, not stating that acting on impulses (punching another because you are angry or hopping the fence to gain entry instead of applying and going through the process) is illegal with good reason.
 
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volinreallife said:
Again this all comes back to bringing something worth while to society. Oh I forgot our immigrants now days clean pools for Hollywood. My bad you are totally correct.
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Good to see that you are not letting your racism get in the way of making great points.
 
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therealUT said:
I am talking about those freedoms which are protected by the military and law enforcement agencies. 99% of American Citizens do not belong to these groups. Therefore, 99% of American citizens have done nothing for their freedom nor for anyone else's, aside from the fact that they happen to be in America.
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Some would say it's been done for many of us. Did I? No, but I also don't take it for granted

"I must study Politicks and War that my sons may have liberty to study Mathematicks and Philosophy. My sons ought to study Mathematicks and Philosophy, Geography, natural History, Naval Architecture, navigation, Commerce and Agriculture, in order to give their Children a right to study Painting, Poetry, Musick, Architecture, Statuary, Tapestry and Porcelaine.
 
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therealUT said:
I am talking about those freedoms which are protected by the military and law enforcement agencies. 99% of American Citizens do not belong to these groups. Therefore, 99% of American citizens have done nothing for their freedom nor for anyone else's, aside from the fact that they happen to be in America.
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Just a tad ignorant in what you are talking about here. Are you suggesting that American Citizens arent protected by the Constitution?
 
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#63
The whole point is that these folks are here illegally. Look up the definition of illegally. Usually someone who breaks the law gets sent to jail for the offense. Unless you are an illegal immigrant in which case you get free education, health care, welfare, and now a college scholarship.
Why do we spend tax dollars to support illegals at all? Why take a scholarship from someone who is here legally?
Sure, they are private scholarships and they can go to who the provider chooses. Perhaps some of the wealthy illegals should create their own scholarship fund.
 
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#64
I dont have a problem with someone coming to this country legally and going through the proper channels and being afforded all the rights of a naturalized citizen. This isnt what is happening.
 
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KB5252 said:
So that we know who we are alowing into the country, that they are properly vetted and not fleeing crimes elsewhere etc.
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I can agree with documenting who they are; issuing an ID at the entry station along the border; checking to ensure their name is not on some INTERPOL database (however, I am not concerned with petty crimes or even major crimes that are not registered at the Federal Level).

KB5252 said:
That they are capable of supporting themselves and their families.
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This does concern me in the least. They either come to America and succeed or they fail. Do not allow them to apply for WIC, foodstamps, subsidized housing, or welfare.

None of the Irish, German, Polish, Chinese, or Japanese immigrants had to demonstrate that they would not be poor; most of them made do though.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Just a tad ignorant in what you are talking about here. Are you suggesting that American Citizens arent protected by the Constitution?
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No; I am saying that the majority of American Citizens are doing nothing to protect the Constitution and/or the freedoms it grants to their fellow Americans.
 
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superdave1984 said:
The whole point is that these folks are here illegally. Look up the definition of illegally. Usually someone who breaks the law gets sent to jail for the offense. Unless you are an illegal immigrant in which case you get free education, health care, welfare, and now a college scholarship.
Why do we spend tax dollars to support illegals at all? Why take a scholarship from someone who is here legally?
Sure, they are private scholarships and they can go to who the provider chooses. Perhaps some of the wealthy illegals should create their own scholarship fund.
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Maybe they should pass a law that does not allow African-Americans to use the same facilities as Caucasians. Anyone who does so illegally, should go to jail, since they did something illegally...right?
 
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therealUT said:
No; I am saying that the majority of American Citizens are doing nothing to protect the Constitution and/or the freedoms it grants to their fellow Americans.
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I believe I am helping to fund the effort. If more is required of me all they have to do is ask

therealUT said:
Maybe they should pass a law that does not allow African-Americans to use the same facilities as Caucasians. Anyone who does so illegally, should go to jail, since they did something illegally...right?
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probably be ruled unconstitutional
 
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therealUT said:
No; I am saying that the majority of American Citizens are doing nothing to protect the Constitution and/or the freedoms it grants to their fellow Americans.
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But either they had ancestors who did or they went through the proper channels to earn citizenship. Correct me if I am wrong
 
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therealUT said:
I can agree with documenting who they are; issuing an ID at the entry station along the border; checking to ensure their name is not on some INTERPOL database (however, I am not concerned with petty crimes or even major crimes that are not registered at the Federal Level).



This does concern me in the least. They either come to America and succeed or they fail. Do not allow them to apply for WIC, foodstamps, subsidized housing, or welfare.

None of the Irish, German, Polish, Chinese, or Japanese immigrants had to demonstrate that they would not be poor; most of them made do though.
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They were victimized and languished in abject poverty in many cases. Our current structure would not allow this without the government stepping in to help. We simply can't afford that, especially atthis time, those who get in must have very high chances for success (supporting themselves and families).
 
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volinreallife said:
Really your gonna call me a racist? How do you get racism from anything I said?
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I am definitely going to call you a racist; immediately jumping to the "illegal immigrants" do not provide anything of worth (while defending the immigrants from Europe and Asia) other than cleaning a swimming pool in Hollywood.

You are a racist. Live with it.
 
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therealUT said:
When you want to start paying a hefty amount more for beef, chicken, flour, vegetables, fruit, home construction, etc., just let everyone know.Personally, I think the US should have kept the Germans, Irish, Polish, Chinese, and Japanese out, as well. Who really needed a transcontinental railroad anyway?
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I have no problem with cutting ties with Mexico. It would probably help in the long run.

How hard was it for immigrants in the 1920's-1940's? Did we give free handouts then?
 
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#74
They just need to protect the border and make work permits and citizenship very easy to come by. If we believe in a free market than we must endorse the free exchange of labor. The doomsday arguments against immigration are the same ones they were making 120 years ago.
 
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