Cam Newton's post super bowl press conference

[jakez4ut]

And unapologetic Panthers fans are still excusing the childish actions of their attention-seeking QB. Curious what their reaction would have been if this had been Jameis Winston's Super Bowl postgame reaction instead of Cam's.

what exactly should i apologize for? 17-2 super bowl season? MVP QB? COY? they guy had a bad moment. i wouldn't teach anyone that "that's how you act when you lose".

but it's certainly not as offensive of an act as many of you are portraying it.

the only sin committed here is that he should have enough self awareness that as the QB, and that as Cam Newton, doing that generates a reaction, primarily from a media that boils everything down to the lowest common denominator so it can be lapped up by the mob, and secondarily by those that already hate him. we hate the shoes, the shirt, the dab, the superman....and now he walked out on a presser....thug.

and that's it. so yeah, i'm unapologetic. i'm informed enough from watching what the man has been doing on and off the field in MY community to be that way. dare i say hardly any of those passing judgement here have any clue as to what he has done in Atlanta and Charlotte off the field, much less on it, that reveals that part of his character as well.

but i don't expect the masses to do that. far easier for you tune in to Skip and Stephen A, or your orator of choice, and scream "YEAH, he sucks!!! he's a thug...he's classless "....

I mean, really, what kind of person would i be if after watching what he's been thru and done the last 5 years in Charlotte, i simply said "yep you all are right, that guy right there is a piece of crap".

5 minutes ruins 5 years. folks, that would say a lot more about my character than his.eace2:

 

[volwindy]

I don't understand all the Cam Newton disdain. He is passionate and emotional in both his wins and his losses. So what?

This is the worst argument I've seen from people on here. Sure, dislike him if he's too immature or whatever, but to dislike him because he is happy when he wins and unhappy when he loses is laughable. Sure would love to see how those people are after the vols win and lose.

 

[volwindy]

And unapologetic Panthers fans are still excusing the childish actions of their attention-seeking QB. Curious what their reaction would have been if this had been Jameis Winston's Super Bowl postgame reaction instead of Cam's.

I don't care what person has the reaction. Could he have done better in all of these recent interviews, yeah. I'm not going to stop being a fan because of him or any other players or coaches actions.

 

[vader]

Heck, I like Cam and I have no pitchforks. He even gets points from me for using the famous Lombardi quote "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser"

That said, this is pretty funny

 

[jakez4ut]

Heck, I like Cam and I have no pitchforks. He even gets points from me for using the famous Lombardi quote "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser"

That said, this is pretty funny

you know, i don't have an issue with that at all. you can/will/should be accountable.

he did say it. they did stop it. no dancin. and i'm good with that.

 

[BeecherVol]

they guy had a bad moment. i wouldn't teach anyone that "that's how you act when you lose".

I think most everyone agrees it was a bad moment. The more he speaks the more it appears that he doesn't agree with that or don't care.

Maybe it's just who he is. He has every right to that regardless.

 

[cncchris33]

what exactly should i apologize for? 17-2 super bowl season? MVP QB? COY? they guy had a bad moment. i wouldn't teach anyone that "that's how you act when you lose".

but it's certainly not as offensive of an act as many of you are portraying it.

the only sin committed here is that he should have enough self awareness that as the QB, and that as Cam Newton, doing that generates a reaction, primarily from a media that boils everything down to the lowest common denominator so it can be lapped up by the mob, and secondarily by those that already hate him. we hate the shoes, the shirt, the dab, the superman....and now he walked out on a presser....thug.

and that's it. so yeah, i'm unapologetic. i'm informed enough from watching what the man has been doing on and off the field in MY community to be that way. dare i say hardly any of those passing judgement here have any clue as to what he has done in Atlanta and Charlotte off the field, much less on it, that reveals that part of his character as well.

but i don't expect the masses to do that. far easier for you tune in to Skip and Stephen A, or your orator of choice, and scream "YEAH, he sucks!!! he's a thug...he's classless "....

I mean, really, what kind of person would i be if after watching what he's been thru and done the last 5 years in Charlotte, i simply said "yep you all are right, that guy right there is a piece of crap".

5 minutes ruins 5 years. folks, that would say a lot more about my character than his.eace2:

Your first paragraph sums it all up, and I'm speaking to the fans who refuse to recognize, or who excuse his bad moment. You don't seem to be excusing it yourself, and even said yourself, "I wouldn't teach anyone that that's how you act when you lose."

Yet, there remains a faction of Panters/Cam fans that want to dismiss his behavior entirely as excusable. You don't seem like one of those.

I'm not calling him a thug or classless as defined by this singular moment. Frankly, I'm not calling him those things at all. I just wish the unapologetic fanbase that refuses to even admit his behavior was in poor judgement just stop making ill-advised comparisons (such as those to Manning following SB44) as a means to justify Cam's behavior.

 

[cncchris33]

I don't care what person has the reaction. Could he have done better in all of these recent interviews, yeah. I'm not going to stop being a fan because of him or any other players or coaches actions.

No one has asked you to stop being a fan.

 

[jakez4ut]

I think most everyone agrees it was a bad moment. The more he speaks the more it appears that he doesn't agree with that or don't care.

Maybe it's just who he is. He has every right to that regardless.

he's an emotional player, good or bad, there's no doubt about that. they high's are ultra high, and unfortunately the lows are low. that is something he'll have to learn how to manage. but it is who he is.

as for hte caring...he cares about this team, and winning. i don't think he cares too much what people think, to his detriment sometimes.

Your first paragraph sums it all up, and I'm speaking to the fans who refuse to recognize, or who excuse his bad moment. You don't seem to be excusing it yourself, and even said yourself, "I wouldn't teach anyone that that's how you act when you lose."

Yet, there remains a faction of Panters/Cam fans that want to dismiss his behavior entirely as excusable. You don't seem like one of those.

I'm not calling him a thug or classless as defined by this singular moment. Frankly, I'm not calling him those things at all. I just wish the unapologetic fanbase that refuses to even admit his behavior was in poor judgement just stop making ill-advised comparisons (such as those to Manning following SB44) as a means to justify Cam's behavior.

justified or not, you can't find a thread about the super bowl that isn't littered with the "classless thug" comments.

 

[BeecherVol]

he's an emotional player, good or bad, there's no doubt about that. they high's are ultra high, and unfortunately the lows are low. that is something he'll have to learn how to manage. but it is who he is.

as for hte caring...he cares about this team, and winning. i don't think he cares too much what people think, to his detriment sometimes.

I don't think emotion is really a factor, all players have it regardless of whether its on their sleeve.

To your last statement, I agree. By caring I meant not caring about what others think about his comments after a game. That said what we see as a bad moment he sees as "Cam being Cam" so to speak and to that he doesn't care. He said his piece and furthered that with his comments yesterday. For that i don't see him as a victim.

As a Carolina fan what was your take on his reluctance to cover the fumble at the end and his remarks on that?

(You may have covered that somewhere but I haven't read the entire thread.)

 

[StoVol]

the not going for the fumble

the childish pouting and subsequent walkout postgame

falling to ground in the fetal position after a missed kick, effectively telling his own kicker he sucked

those of you stating he just walked out on an interview after being upset are conveniently forgetting the total set of circumstances that led many of us to have an unfavorable impression of him

and finally the petulant 3 year old temper tantrum displayed for all time here

for the record, i had no problem with the guy before this game

 

[NashVol11]

Acting like a brat throws all the press off the fact he couldn't throw the ball to anyone on his team with any regularity.

I think the NFL just saw how to put this punk away week after week. Let him hang himself by letting him throw the ball and knock the hell out of him if he tries to run.

Yep. No one has tried that before in his 5 full seasons. He won the MVP, but he actually got exposed as a mediocre QB who will get "put away," whatever that means.

 

[NashVol11]

Colin went to he Super bowl and has never been heard from again....BRO

This is a ridiculously dumb comparison, haha. Kaepernick had like 8 starts at that point. Cam has 3 division titles and an MVP.

 

[NashVol11]

I watched it. Said he was only human and anyone that likes losing is a loser. My point is he has celebrated, said he is superman and when the chips are down he can't handle the heat. He did the same thing in Auburn. One thing is for sure, the shield definitely doesn't need him.

I stand by my comments and don't see the panthers going back to the SB. They need receivers, RB, OT.

Next

Auburn vs. Alabama - Game Recap - November 26, 2010 - ESPN

The Panthers will be fine.

 

[NCFisher]

So blowing holes in your theory and exposing the gross inaccuracies in the shoddy article you posted as your material witness of PM's moral deviance equates to me deifying him?

An objective person doesn't see through his reasoning. A person with an agenda looking to make a point does apparently, but not an objective person. I have no vested interest in PM's or Cam's character. You assume I'm here to go to bat for PM because he played at Tennessee. If I thought PM intentionally displayed poor character and sportsmanship by bowing out before shaking hands with Brees, I'd call him out on it. I just don't think he did. The fact that the media tried to vilify him for it is probably the entire reason he made a point to shake hands with Wilson two years ago. Otherwise, he probably walks off in the same manner with the same reasoning.

Cam could have ended a lot of the backlash with a public recognition that he handled the postgame presser poorly and unprofessionally yesterday in his media session, but instead, chose to defend it even further. And fwiw, I agree with what he said ("Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser."), but he should have still owned his poor judgement and behavior in the postgame presser when given the chance to yesterday, and he didn't. Those aren't the actions of a professional, and he'll understand that someday.

Agree to disagree with me, but don't assume I'm here to "deify" Manning just because I think Cam showed poor judgement. I didn't even bring PM up. I only poked holes in the idea that their two situations were that similar, because they aren't...at all.

Arguing a car is deep red, not maroon, isn't blowing holes in the assessment it's a car.

Are you arguing it is customary to tuck and head for the locker rather than congratulate the winners? Put another way, were it not tradition to congratulate, why would media 'vilify' him? They wouldn't.

The similarity is that both were unprofessional moments, with Manning's arguably the most unprofessional but the lesser vilified.

 

[cncchris33]

Arguing a car is deep red, not maroon, isn't blowing holes in the assessment it's a car.

Are you arguing it is customary to tuck and head for the locker rather than congratulate the winners? Put another way, were it not tradition to congratulate, why would media 'vilify' him? They wouldn't.

The similarity is that both were unprofessional moments, with Manning's arguably the most unprofessional but the lesser vilified.

I'm not arguing that PM's actions are or aren't customary. I'm pointing out that he wasn't alone in his actions, not even close, yet was solely called out for it. Why? Because he was the face of the franchise and presented nearly zero opportunities for the media to find a chink in the armor of his character. So they jump at any and every opportunity that remotely presents itself, and in the end, usually come away with egg on their face (see the HGH accusation).

You say the similarity is that both were unprofessional moments. For a moment, let's suppose that's true. The difference then, is that Peyton addressed his "mistake" and gave a plan to address it personally with the "offended" parties, while Cam, when given the opportunity to own his mistake, only chose to defend it further. He could have taken that opportunity a day or two later to say, "Hey, look, I made a mistake and acted childish. I regret that I let my emotions affect my professionalism in that setting, and it was a learning moment for me as a person and the face of this franchise." Even if he didn't truly believe that, it was the right thing to say publicly. Then he could have continued with the "Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser" speech. I think a lot of people, myself included, agree with that statement, and it would have been far better received if he had just admitted poor judgement in the postgame presser rather than attempting to defend his behavior. He only dug his hole deeper by defending it IMO.

 

[heartvols]

Cam is an arrogant douchebag.

 

[jakez4ut]

I don't think emotion is really a factor, all players have it regardless of whether its on their sleeve.

To your last statement, I agree. By caring I meant not caring about what others think about his comments after a game. That said what we see as a bad moment he sees as "Cam being Cam" so to speak and to that he doesn't care. He said his piece and furthered that with his comments yesterday. For that i don't see him as a victim.

As a Carolina fan what was your take on his reluctance to cover the fumble at the end and his remarks on that?

(You may have covered that somewhere but I haven't read the entire thread.)

i think the fumble thing is overblown as well. i have no idea why he didn't jump on it, but i can't say i believe fear of injury or not being tough enough is the reason. and that's simply due how he plays the game. he's never been shy of contact. so for people to imply he's a wuss and scared, that narrative doesn't fly. but again, that's someone that's watched for 5 years.

Cam Newton's biggest problem is he's Cam Newton. those who don't like him will never give the benefit of the doubt, and the media knows it so they pick apart anything he does...it's an easy click, and an easy sell the media's job is to get ratings, not prop people up. if it bleeds it leads..

in a way, he kind of has the same problem Peyton Manning had. the narrative is already written, and it is going to take a lot to change it.

listening to people talk last week about manning's legacy, most were saying that he absolutely had to have a 2nd title to validate his legacy.

and there was nothing short of that, that would change their mind.

Newton has the same problem. Hard to overcome, even if you do everything right, which he's not done all the time.

in the end, we're talking about a guy that made Ted Ginn and PHilly Brown viable NFL receivers, won the MVP, went 17-2, won a 3rd straight division title and went to the Super Bowl....had totally transitioned himself in to a marketable persona, and a philanthropist off the field.

and none of that matters because he walked out of a presser. or didn't jump on a fumble...

sports hate is a funny thing. i have plenty of it myself, and there are those teams and athletes i won't ever give the benefit of the doubt to as well. so i get it. my mind is already made up on some of those as well, and i relish in the opportunities to say "see told ya", so that's how i know it's happening here.

 

[jakez4ut]

the not going for the fumble

the childish pouting and subsequent walkout postgame

falling to ground in the fetal position after a missed kick, effectively telling his own kicker he sucked

those of you stating he just walked out on an interview after being upset are conveniently forgetting the total set of circumstances that led many of us to have an unfavorable impression of him

and finally the petulant 3 year old temper tantrum displayed for all time here

for the record, i had no problem with the guy before this game

see this is what i'm talking about...i guess no qb other than cam has ever been visibly upset after a play that din't go their way?

it must be hard to breathe up there on that high horse y'all all on.

 

[BeecherVol]

i think the fumble thing is overblown as well. i have no idea why he didn't jump on it, but i can't say i believe fear of injury or not being tough enough is the reason. and that's simply due how he plays the game. he's never been shy of contact. so for people to imply he's a wuss and scared, that narrative doesn't fly. but again, that's someone that's watched for 5 years.

Cam Newton's biggest problem is he's Cam Newton. those who don't like him will never give the benefit of the doubt, and the media knows it so they pick apart anything he does...it's an easy click, and an easy sell the media's job is to get ratings, not prop people up. if it bleeds it leads..

in a way, he kind of has the same problem Peyton Manning had. the narrative is already written, and it is going to take a lot to change it.

listening to people talk last week about manning's legacy, most were saying that he absolutely had to have a 2nd title to validate his legacy.

and there was nothing short of that, that would change their mind.

Newton has the same problem. Hard to overcome, even if you do everything right, which he's not done all the time.

in the end, we're talking about a guy that made Ted Ginn and PHilly Brown viable NFL receivers, won the MVP, went 17-2, won a 3rd straight division title and went to the Super Bowl....had totally transitioned himself in to a marketable persona, and a philanthropist off the field.

and none of that matters because he walked out of a presser. or didn't jump on a fumble...

sports hate is a funny thing. i have plenty of it myself, and there are those teams and athletes i won't ever give the benefit of the doubt to as well. so i get it. my mind is already made up on some of those as well, and i relish in the opportunities to say "see told ya", so that's how i know it's happening here.

Im not really sure either it was a very odd looking play.

He made some comments earlier this week that didn't make any sense regarding that play.

I think he will find that dialing back the "racket" will be beneficial for his future.

 

[jakez4ut]

Im not really sure either it was a very odd looking play.

He made some comments earlier this week that didn't make any sense regarding that play.

I think he will find that dialing back the "racket" will be beneficial for his future.

there's no good answer to why he didn't. it'is a split second thing, i wondered why he didn't as it was happening too.

anyway, i do think there's something to be said for dialing down just a tad. i doubt we're going to have too many 17 win seasons in the near future, so dealing with losing is going to come back to being a "regular" thing.
at least relative to what we saw this year being regular....

the team will be fine, and the window is open. maybe it took this loss for them to get it. i remember the Pens losing to the Red Wings in 07/08 Stanley CUp final, and the next year the came back with a vengance, beat the red wings in a rematch and got the cup.

who knows, maybe that's what happens here. the road, however, is much more difficult next year.

 

[cncchris33]

Im not really sure either it was a very odd looking play.

He made some comments earlier this week that didn't make any sense regarding that play.

I thought the same thing. Seems like he said he didn't want to risk injury by diving in for that ball, which as Jake said, flys in the face of his style of play. Very odd.

His comments about that play not costing them the game are equally as perplexing. Down 6 with the ball, you fumble inside your own 10-yd line, and Denver scores a few plays later to go up 14 with 3 minutes to play. Sure, that play wasn't the sole reason for losing (and maybe that's what he meant, though in the context of the interview, it didn't seem that way), but it definitely sealed the outcome.

 

[BeecherVol]

I thought the same thing. Seems like he said he didn't want to risk injury by diving in for that ball, which as Jake said, flys in the face of his style of play. Very odd.

His comments about that play not costing them the game are equally as perplexing. Down 6 with the ball, you fumble inside your own 10-yd line, and Denver scores a few plays later to go up 14 with 3 minutes to play. Sure, that play wasn't the sole reason for losing (and maybe that's what he meant, though in the context of the interview, it didn't seem that way), but it definitely sealed the outcome.

He didnt play very well. A lot of that can be attributed to Denver and he knew that. At that point I dont think he was going to pile on himself. I dont think that one play cost them the game but he under played it too much IMO.

 

[jakez4ut]

the thing that frustrated me the most was the over throws early. the drops by the WR's. tolbert fumble.

those are things that we haven't seen in over 18 months. and definitely not during the season. sure Ted Ginn had his fair share of drops, but even he got more consistent as the year went on.

that fumble inside 4 minutes wasn't the play that lost the game for us. but it sure was a culmination of those types of plays that did. that one was just the next one. and it was the nail in the coffin.

what didn't surprise me were the sacks. he has always had a knack of sticking in the pocket just a tick or two too long. and why on Earth we didn't give Remmers some help i have no idea. especially in those late game obvious passing situations.....

 

[2ez2dv8]

He didnt play very well. A lot of that can be attributed to Denver and he knew that. At that point I dont think he was going to pile on himself. I dont think that one play cost them the game but he under played it too much IMO.

Agree. Throughout Denver frustrated and pressured Cam into making poor decisions like none before. Now, in the aftermath and going forward curious to see what, if anything he's learned from the overall experience and how he puts it to use