Cam Robinson/Hootie Jones arrested for Bama

I'm not as biased as you would like to think. You can dig up my posts on Jonathan Taylor. I ripped Saban over that, and am still pissed that Taylor was even in Tuscaloosa. And that's despite the fact that the charges against him were dropped.

I'm just not going to get upset that a couple of guys got one over on the system when they didn't hurt anyone. There are a ton of non-violent criminals sitting in our prisons. The system wins so often that it can point to the scoreboard from here to eternity.

I'll give you another "if":

If they'd been charged with DWI, I wouldn't defend them at all. I have no sympathy for someone who catches that kind of charge.

I'm not that upset, but I know, as you said, they got one over etc.
I also agree the system wins more than not. That's exactly what makes not winning in cases of athletes or celebrities or elected officials, that much more interesting.

It happens with many athletes.
Most just shrug and don't bother defending this.
But I would be willing to bet that if it were me and one of my friends, I would still be on bond awaiting my day in court.
 
I'm not as biased as you would like to think. You can dig up my posts on Jonathan Taylor. I ripped Saban over that, and am still pissed that Taylor was even in Tuscaloosa. And that's despite the fact that the charges against him were dropped.

I'm just not going to get upset that a couple of guys got one over on the system when they didn't hurt anyone. There are a ton of non-violent criminals sitting in our prisons. The system wins so often that it can point to the scoreboard from here to eternity.

I'll give you another "if":

If they'd been charged with DWI, I wouldn't defend them at all. I have no sympathy for someone who catches that kind of charge.

So...what about a DUI charge for someone who "doesn't understand" that their medication will interact with the two beers they drank after work, then gets pulled over for a minor moving violation, and fails the SFST after the odor of alcohol is observed.

They didn't hurt anyone. Do they not deserve your mercy as well?

Bernie Madoff is a "non-violent criminal". So are a "ton" of non-violent criminal politicians, public officials, drug dealers, etc. But the damage they did, and the harm, is beyond description.

It's not about the "scoreboard"...it's about right and wrong, and the risk you take when you choose the wrong path. Most of us get that.

I have my concerns about where "Moral North" lies on your compass.

Go Vols.
 
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So...what about a DUI charge for someone who "doesn't understand" that their medication will interact with the two beers they drank after work, then gets pulled over for a minor moving violation, and fails the SFST after the odor of alcohol is observed.

They didn't hurt anyone. Do they not deserve your mercy as well?

He deserves mercy to the extent that he was unaware of the possible reaction. But the risk of harm to others can't be ignored.

Bernie Madoff is a "non-violent criminal". So are a "ton" of non-violent criminal politicians, public officials, drug dealers, etc. But the damage they did, and the harm, is beyond description.

Violence is not limited to physical harm. For instance, theft is violence whether you defraud someone or stick a gun in his face.

It's not about the "scoreboard"...it's about right and wrong, and the risk you take when you choose the wrong path. Most of us get that.

I have my concerns about where "Moral North" lies on your compass.

Go Vols.

If one takes a blanket stance that a situation like the one this thread covers should inevitably result in some kind of significant punishment, jail time for instance, then one's sense of morality is way too black-and-white.
 
The gun on the lap is irrelevant, as the gun was legal, and was placed there for the sake of making it known to the officer.

So, the probable cause hinges on the "strong odor of marijuana". Again, the only weed that was found was half a gram, in a bag. You could be in a broom closet with that much weed and barely smell it. Neither of the backup up officers reported smelling any weed in their affidavits, and all 4 passengers reported that the initial officer made them get out of the car upon being notified of the gun in Hootie's lap.

So, you've got 1 cop's word against 4 suspects who said the something different, and 2 other cops who didn't back him up.

Arresting cop has a couple of other serious deficiencies in his arrest. He cuffed all four men, but let the two non-players go. This is despite the fact that he was trying to build a case for constructive possession, and releasing 50% of the possible possessors is all kinds of dumb. Second, in his incident report, the arresting officer says that the bag of weed was in plain view before he initiated the search. But in his affidavit, he said that he discovered the bag upon Robinson exiting the vehicle. Third, and perhaps most importantly, in his affidavit, the arresting officer says that one of the non-players told a backup officer that the stolen gun belonged to Robinson. However, the backup officer who actually spoke to the non-player quotes him as saying that he didn't know who the gun belonged to. So he arrested one guy and released the other two based on a statement that his colleague said didn't happen.

You can decide for yourself whether it's right or wrong, but the plain truth is that a good defense lawyer is getting that search tossed. I'm not accusing him of anything malicious, but the arresting officer made a ton of mistakes, and those mistakes were likely to result in the evidence getting tossed. The DA would have been wasting his time trying to pursue the charges.

I'd like to make it clear to Volnation that this guy has absolutely no clue what he is talking about, has no real understanding of law enforcement or what a "good defense lawyer" would do, does not understand what probable cause is or what the 4th amendment means when applied to lawful searches and seizures. I tried to explain it to him but he completely ignored what I was trying to tell him and had the audacity to say I was missing the point like he is the expert in law because hes seen a few episodes of Law & Order. This boy has his head in the sand. It's not like I'm a lawyer or anything...lol Bucko didn't even know the term constructive possession until I brought it up with one of my first posts and now he puts it out there like he wrote the book on it...so if that is any indication of his overall expertise....you get the point.

According to everything I've read, there was probable cause, the search was legal, the search found drugs and guns (one of which was stolen). It's not up to the officer to explain how the smell came about, how the guns came about, or how the drugs came about. All he needs to do is explain he smelled the odor and found what he found...as I've tried to point out along with one of our fellow Vol fans who held himself out as a police officer. It would be impermissible for the officer to start speculating on any of that...that is why wee have the objection "calls for speculation"...its frowned upon. Lay the facts out, tell your story, and let the jury decide how it ends. Asking the other two guys who were in the car for an explanation of how the police officer obtained probable cause is absolutely 100% ridiculous; I cant even believe that hes pushing that rationale. :eek:lol:

The reason the other two guys were let go is because they were not in possession of firearms (that's called prosecutorial discretion). It must have been clear to the officer's that the weapons belonged to Hootie and/or Cam and the other two were subsequently uncuffed and sent on their ways...this is not uncommon. Had no guns been found with the drugs, they would have all likely been let go. However, that wasn't the case.

My advice to everyone, stop responding to him. He's a writer, not a lawyer, clearly a major troll, and a complete joke. I'd like to read his "writings" if I had time to kill just for laughs. Chances are, he probably hasn't written anything noteworthy anyways. We all know writers don't need facts to write; however, lawyers do need facts to win a case....as the difference can be displayed between his posts and mine. We all know the dropped charges were bogus. I haven't seen a mockery of justice like this since the Jameis Winston investigation in Florida. These were felony charges...FELONY. We aren't talking public intoxication, get held overnight and sentenced to community service...we are talking potential prison time. 26 hours of police ride-alongs is a far cry from the 5 year minimum sentence for possessing a stolen firearm. It doesnt even look like either of these two will miss any playing time. Why? Because their head coach puts winning above everything else. Ask Urban Meyer how that worked out with Aaron Hernandez.

Any affirmative defense he would need to assert, like he didn't know the gun was stolen, would have to be proven by him. The burden of proof shifts under that circumstance from the state proving he was in possession of a stolen firearm to him proving he did not know, which would be pretty difficult to prove and would likely require someone else coming forward saying they sold him the firearm, thus putting their own neck on the chopping block... They aren't just going to take his word for it under these circumstances. If any of these perps were not football players, they would have been charged. Period. End of story.

VolAce, OUT! :hi:
 
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I'd like to make it clear to Volnation that this guy has absolutely no clue what he is talking about, has no real understanding of law enforcement or what a "good defense lawyer" would do, does not understand what probable cause is or what the 4th amendment means when applied to lawful searches and seizures. I tried to explain it to him but he completely ignored what I was trying to tell him and had the audacity to say I was missing the point like he is the expert in law because hes seen a few episodes of Law & Order. This boy has his head in the sand. It's not like I'm a lawyer or anything...lol Bucko didn't even know the term constructive possession until I brought it up with one of my first posts and now he puts it out there like he wrote the book on it...so if that is any indication of his overall expertise....you get the point.

According to everything I've read, there was probable cause, the search was legal, the search found drugs and guns (one of which was stolen). It's not up to the officer to explain how the smell came about, how the guns came about, or how the drugs came about. All he needs to do is explain he smelled the odor and found what he found...as I've tried to point out along with one of our fellow Vol fans who held himself out as a police officer. It would be impermissible for the officer to start speculating on any of that...that is why wee have the objection "calls for speculation"...its frowned upon. Lay the facts out, tell your story, and let the jury decide how it ends. Asking the other two guys who were in the car for an explanation of how the police officer obtained probable cause is absolutely 100% ridiculous; I cant even believe that hes pushing that rationale. :eek:lol:

The reason the other two guys were let go is because they were not in possession of firearms (that's called prosecutorial discretion). It must have been clear to the officer's that the weapons belonged to Hootie and/or Cam and the other two were subsequently uncuffed and sent on their ways...this is not uncommon. Had no guns been found with the drugs, they would have all likely been let go. However, that wasn't the case.

My advice to everyone, stop responding to him. He's a writer, not a lawyer, clearly a major troll, and a complete joke. I'd like to read his "writings" if I had time to kill just for laughs. Chances are, he probably hasn't written anything noteworthy anyways. We all know writers don't need facts to write; however, lawyers do need facts to win a case....as the difference can be displayed between his posts and mine. We all know the dropped charges were bogus. I haven't seen a mockery of justice like this since the Jameis Winston investigation in Florida. These were felony charges...FELONY. We aren't talking public intoxication, get held overnight and sentenced to community service...we are talking potential prison time. 26 hours of police ride-alongs is a far cry from the 5 year minimum sentence for possessing a stolen firearm. It doesnt even look like either of these two will miss any playing time. Why? Because their head coach puts winning above everything else. Ask Urban Meyer how that worked out with Aaron Hernandez.

Any affirmative defense he would need to assert, like he didn't know the gun was stolen, would have to be proven by him. The burden of proof shifts under that circumstance from the state proving he was in possession of a stolen firearm to him proving he did not know, which would be pretty difficult to prove and would likely require someone else coming forward saying they sold him the firearm, thus putting their own neck on the chopping block... They aren't just going to take his word for it under these circumstances. If any of these perps were not football players, they would have been charged. Period. End of story.

VolAce, OUT! :hi:

I wish I owned stock in Preparation-H. Your butthurt will keep them in business for decades.
 
He deserves mercy to the extent that he was unaware of the possible reaction. But the risk of harm to others can't be ignored.

So, smoking marijuana in a car...at 2:33 am...with a gun in the lap of the passenger...a bag of weed in the floorboard...and a stolen gun under a seat...is "no risk of harm to others"? Got it. Good to know the next time I trip over that scenario. I'll just call it in as a "public assist, advice given". Mind you, most states have a DUI-Drugs statute, but you've already explained that one away, so...

Violence is not limited to physical harm. For instance, theft is violence whether you defraud someone or stick a gun in his face.


So...Internet Fraud, or Identity Theft, or passing a bad check is a crime of violence? Nice to know. I guess that changes your stance on all of those non-violent people who are in jail / prison.


If one takes a blanket stance that a situation like the one this thread covers should inevitably result in some kind of significant punishment, jail time for instance, then one's sense of morality is way too black-and-white.

My "blanket stance" is that if you are caught in a marijuana-smoke-filled vehicle at 2:33 am...and your passenger has a gun in his lap...and there is a bag of weed in the car...and a stolen gun under a seat...odds are that you were not just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

An excuse, which...apparently....Nick Saban and those who oversee the Alabama football program are all too willing to accept.

Yourself included.
 
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My "blanket stance" is that if you are caught in a marijuana-smoke-filled vehicle at 2:33 am...and your passenger has a gun in his lap...and there is a bag of weed in the car...and a stolen gun under a seat...odds are that you were not just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

An excuse, which...apparently....Nick Saban and those who oversee the Alabama football program are all too willing to accept.

Yourself included.

No one, cops included, said the car was filled with marijuana smoke.
 
I wish I owned stock in Preparation-H. Your butthurt will keep them in business for decades.

He's right. You sound like a moron. Just be like every other fan and chalk this up to preferential treatment for a couple of highly rated athletes. Your nonsense about all the legalities is silly.
 
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So, let me tell you about my morning...

Full disclosure: I haven't read anything in this thread since last nite.

Further full disclosure: I know this post doesn't belong in this thread, and I'm sure the mods will move it (sorry mods).

I've been having pain in my right eye for several weeks. Started out tolerable, but has advanced to severe. For a week or so my vision in that eye has randomly become clouded or blurry for several minutes at a time. I figured I must have dislocated my retina or something, so I went to see an opthamologist on Monday. He sent me to get an MRI, which was yesterday morning. Saw him for my follow up today, and he let me know that I have a growth on my optic nerve, basically right up against my eyeball. Doctor says it's probably not cancerous, but now I have to go see a specialist at Vanderbilt to see about getting it reduced or removed. Losing the vision in my right eye is a possibility in either case.

So anyway. I'm bummed out, and have lost interest in arguing about sports stuff right now. I think I'll wait until doubled's or D4H says something ridiculous; laughter is, after all, the best medicine.

I'm sure some of you will wonder why I bothered to write about this here. The only people I've talked to this morning are my wife and my dad. I feel like having a pity party for myself, but I don't want to do that to my family. So, I figure I'll do it on an anonymous message board filled with people I don't know, and whose thoughts and opinions I don't respect.

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So, let me tell you about my morning...

Full disclosure: I haven't read anything in this thread since last nite.

Further full disclosure: I know this post doesn't belong in this thread, and I'm sure the mods will move it (sorry mods).

I've been having pain in my right eye for several weeks. Started out tolerable, but has advanced to severe. For a week or so my vision in that eye has randomly become clouded or blurry for several minutes at a time. I figured I must have dislocated my retina or something, so I went to see an opthamologist on Monday. He sent me to get an MRI, which was yesterday morning. Saw him for my follow up today, and he let me know that I have a growth on my optic nerve, basically right up against my eyeball. Doctor says it's probably not cancerous, but now I have to go see a specialist at Vanderbilt to see about getting it reduced or removed. Losing the vision in my right eye is a possibility in either case.

So anyway. I'm bummed out, and have lost interest in arguing about sports stuff right now. I think I'll wait until doubled's or D4H says something ridiculous; laughter is, after all, the best medicine.

I'm sure some of you will wonder why I bothered to write about this here. The only people I've talked to this morning are my wife and my dad. I feel like having a pity party for myself, but I don't want to do that to my family. So, I figure I'll do it on an anonymous message board filled with people I don't know, and whose thoughts and opinions I don't respect.

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Clouded vision? Now I understand the blind homerism defending Cam and Hootie. You had put in on that stash they got busted with.
 
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So, let me tell you about my morning...

Full disclosure: I haven't read anything in this thread since last nite.

Further full disclosure: I know this post doesn't belong in this thread, and I'm sure the mods will move it (sorry mods).

I've been having pain in my right eye for several weeks. Started out tolerable, but has advanced to severe. For a week or so my vision in that eye has randomly become clouded or blurry for several minutes at a time. I figured I must have dislocated my retina or something, so I went to see an opthamologist on Monday. He sent me to get an MRI, which was yesterday morning. Saw him for my follow up today, and he let me know that I have a growth on my optic nerve, basically right up against my eyeball. Doctor says it's probably not cancerous, but now I have to go see a specialist at Vanderbilt to see about getting it reduced or removed. Losing the vision in my right eye is a possibility in either case.

So anyway. I'm bummed out, and have lost interest in arguing about sports stuff right now. I think I'll wait until doubled's or D4H says something ridiculous; laughter is, after all, the best medicine.

I'm sure some of you will wonder why I bothered to write about this here. The only people I've talked to this morning are my wife and my dad. I feel like having a pity party for myself, but I don't want to do that to my family. So, I figure I'll do it on an anonymous message board filled with people I don't know, and whose thoughts and opinions I don't respect.

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prayers for a speedy recovery
 
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So, let me tell you about my morning...

Full disclosure: I haven't read anything in this thread since last nite.

Further full disclosure: I know this post doesn't belong in this thread, and I'm sure the mods will move it (sorry mods).

I've been having pain in my right eye for several weeks. Started out tolerable, but has advanced to severe. For a week or so my vision in that eye has randomly become clouded or blurry for several minutes at a time. I figured I must have dislocated my retina or something, so I went to see an opthamologist on Monday. He sent me to get an MRI, which was yesterday morning. Saw him for my follow up today, and he let me know that I have a growth on my optic nerve, basically right up against my eyeball. Doctor says it's probably not cancerous, but now I have to go see a specialist at Vanderbilt to see about getting it reduced or removed. Losing the vision in my right eye is a possibility in either case.

So anyway. I'm bummed out, and have lost interest in arguing about sports stuff right now. I think I'll wait until doubled's or D4H says something ridiculous; laughter is, after all, the best medicine.

I'm sure some of you will wonder why I bothered to write about this here. The only people I've talked to this morning are my wife and my dad. I feel like having a pity party for myself, but I don't want to do that to my family. So, I figure I'll do it on an anonymous message board filled with people I don't know, and whose thoughts and opinions I don't respect.

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liked, not for the news, but thanks for sharing. Prayers to you.

and you can
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For the love of Bear Bryant Bamawriter, just STFU already.. Even if you are 100% write in everything you say you're just making yourself look like an idiot by going on and on and on and ****ing on...
 
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So, let me tell you about my morning...

Full disclosure: I haven't read anything in this thread since last nite.

Further full disclosure: I know this post doesn't belong in this thread, and I'm sure the mods will move it (sorry mods).

I've been having pain in my right eye for several weeks. Started out tolerable, but has advanced to severe. For a week or so my vision in that eye has randomly become clouded or blurry for several minutes at a time. I figured I must have dislocated my retina or something, so I went to see an opthamologist on Monday. He sent me to get an MRI, which was yesterday morning. Saw him for my follow up today, and he let me know that I have a growth on my optic nerve, basically right up against my eyeball. Doctor says it's probably not cancerous, but now I have to go see a specialist at Vanderbilt to see about getting it reduced or removed. Losing the vision in my right eye is a possibility in either case.

So anyway. I'm bummed out, and have lost interest in arguing about sports stuff right now. I think I'll wait until doubled's or D4H says something ridiculous; laughter is, after all, the best medicine.

I'm sure some of you will wonder why I bothered to write about this here. The only people I've talked to this morning are my wife and my dad. I feel like having a pity party for myself, but I don't want to do that to my family. So, I figure I'll do it on an anonymous message board filled with people I don't know, and whose thoughts and opinions I don't respect.

Thoughts and prayers for you. Hope all goes well.

Just want to share this though. A relative of mine has had very similiar episodes of pain and blurred vision. Her symptoms are caused by growths around the optic nerves where they enter the eye called drusen. She's had these for decades but still keeps on keeping on very successfully. Whatever is the root cause of your symptoms, I pray you keep on too.

EDIT: Oh, and I could successfully really have a good sports hate going on for Alabama if my mom's family weren't all from there. .... hmmm.. come to think on it ....

Bammer Sucks! This thread is one of the best ever reasons we can know on The Third Saturday or Thereabouts in October we are indeed facing The Criminal Tide.
 
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Thoughts and prayers for you. Hope all goes well.

Just want to share this though. A relative of mine has had very similiar episodes of pain and blurred vision. Her symptoms are caused by growths around the optic nerves where they enter the eye called drusen. She's had these for decades but still keeps on keeping on very successfully. Whatever is the root cause of your symptoms, I pray you keep on too.

That's good to read. It'd be great if it's something that will just come and go and doesn't need intervention.
 
These guys would have had to be in jail for Saban to not have played them. If anything happens, it will be suspensions against the Sisters of the Poor State Tech on Bama's schedule.

Best wishes for a speedy recovery bamawriter.
 
So, let me tell you about my morning...

Full disclosure: I haven't read anything in this thread since last nite.

Further full disclosure: I know this post doesn't belong in this thread, and I'm sure the mods will move it (sorry mods).

I've been having pain in my right eye for several weeks. Started out tolerable, but has advanced to severe. For a week or so my vision in that eye has randomly become clouded or blurry for several minutes at a time. I figured I must have dislocated my retina or something, so I went to see an opthamologist on Monday. He sent me to get an MRI, which was yesterday morning. Saw him for my follow up today, and he let me know that I have a growth on my optic nerve, basically right up against my eyeball. Doctor says it's probably not cancerous, but now I have to go see a specialist at Vanderbilt to see about getting it reduced or removed. Losing the vision in my right eye is a possibility in either case.

So anyway. I'm bummed out, and have lost interest in arguing about sports stuff right now. I think I'll wait until doubled's or D4H says something ridiculous; laughter is, after all, the best medicine.

I'm sure some of you will wonder why I bothered to write about this here. The only people I've talked to this morning are my wife and my dad. I feel like having a pity party for myself, but I don't want to do that to my family. So, I figure I'll do it on an anonymous message board filled with people I don't know, and whose thoughts and opinions I don't respect.

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Although I have not lost sight in an eye I have a rare autoimmune disease that causes double vision. I wear an eye patch just to be able to handle day to day stuff so basically I have the vision of one eye. If you do lose sight in that eye you will adapt and overcome. Not much of a pep talk but you will be ok. If interested google myasthenia gravis.
 
So, let me tell you about my morning...

Full disclosure: I haven't read anything in this thread since last nite.

Further full disclosure: I know this post doesn't belong in this thread, and I'm sure the mods will move it (sorry mods).

I've been having pain in my right eye for several weeks. Started out tolerable, but has advanced to severe. For a week or so my vision in that eye has randomly become clouded or blurry for several minutes at a time. I figured I must have dislocated my retina or something, so I went to see an opthamologist on Monday. He sent me to get an MRI, which was yesterday morning. Saw him for my follow up today, and he let me know that I have a growth on my optic nerve, basically right up against my eyeball. Doctor says it's probably not cancerous, but now I have to go see a specialist at Vanderbilt to see about getting it reduced or removed. Losing the vision in my right eye is a possibility in either case.

So anyway. I'm bummed out, and have lost interest in arguing about sports stuff right now. I think I'll wait until doubled's or D4H says something ridiculous; laughter is, after all, the best medicine.

I'm sure some of you will wonder why I bothered to write about this here. The only people I've talked to this morning are my wife and my dad. I feel like having a pity party for myself, but I don't want to do that to my family. So, I figure I'll do it on an anonymous message board filled with people I don't know, and whose thoughts and opinions I don't respect.

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First.. Honestly - it really sucks about your eye. I'm with you on that one. You lost me here:
So, I figure I'll do it on an anonymous message board filled with people I don't know, and whose thoughts and opinions I don't respect.

If you don't like our thoughts and opinions, and don't respect us, and want some psychological counseling for something very devastating in your life.... I suggest an identical post on a board of your own kind.

Another sucky situation going down right now - Pat Summitt is losing her battle with Alzheimers as we speak. Most here are little more in tune with that than your eye because she is the epotmy of class.

All that said, still sucks for you, and I hope, that if there is a cure, you find one. Would love for you to see UT beat Alabama with both eyes!
 
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Bama, if you're still out there, sorry about the eye.. I wish you nothing but the best and hope you make a FULL and SPEEDY recovery..

God bless..
 

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