Cam Robinson/Hootie Jones arrested for Bama

[Volsfaninva917]

Nothing will be said...if these kids don't miss some games...Sabin should be fired..

Unless Saban provided the gun and drugs then no he shouldn't. If thats how you feel then you agree that CBJ should be fired because his players allegedly raped a female.

 

[bamawriter]

"Police said 'a strong odor of marijuana' was detected from a vehicle occupied by Robinson and Jones in the parking lot of a park. A bag of marijuana (reportedly containing less than a gram) was found 'in plain view.' Jones had a handgun on his lap while Robinson had a stolen firearm under his seat."

Taken from DA declines to prosecute Alabama's Cam Robinson, Hootie Jones | Dr. Saturday - Yahoo Sports

If there is any question about lack of probable cause, the "strong odor of marijuana" is probably cause for a search. Couple that with the four of them sitting in a car together at a closed park.... yea, what do you think they were doing? Bible study?

A strong odor from half a gram in a bag? Please. The report doesn't say that any of them were smoking it. In all likelihood, the cop pulled up on the guys to tell them to leave the park, saw the gun in Jones' lap, and used it as a pretext to search the car. The report does not say that he requested permission to search. He found the weed, and added that to his "probable cause."

You're right, possessing a lawfully obtained gun would not break the law. However, possession of a stolen firearm, like the one under Robinson's seat, is a felony.

But if the cop found it during an illegal search, then it doesn't matter. The gun might has well have never existed.

I'm just curious, is it your understanding that if illegal items are found in a car with 4 people and no one lays claim to the illegal items (shocker), then everyone is released without charges?

They are if the illegal items were found during a search that lacked probable cause.

That's a five year minimum...a big boy felony. Could I see this being dropped for .5 grams of MJ? Sure. But its still on the table and bargaining power for the DA to get a plea. Should all of the charges have been dropped? Probably not.

If the DA had pressed the issue, and a judge tossed the fruits of the search, then the charges would have been dismissed. The same conclusion gets reached either way.

 

[TUSKtimes]

It probably had something to do with the gun on Hooties lap and the stolen gun under Cam's seat... but I wasn't there so I can only make an educated guess...:crazy:

Not unless you actually took the time to read the articles on what they do know.

 

[VolAce]

A strong odor from half a gram in a bag? Please. The report doesn't say that any of them were smoking it. In all likelihood, the cop pulled up on the guys to tell them to leave the park, saw the gun in Jones' lap, and used it as a pretext to search the car. The report does not say that he requested permission to search. He found the weed, and added that to his "probable cause."



But if the cop found it during an illegal search, then it doesn't matter. The gun might has well have never existed.



They are if the illegal items were found during a search that lacked probable cause.




If the DA had pressed the issue, and a judge tossed the fruits of the search, then the charges would have been dismissed. The same conclusion gets reached either way.

You don't think they were smoking in a closed park with 4 dudes in a parked car?? I think its fairly obvious that the officers walked up to guys who just got done, or were caught in the middle of, some foul play. In which case, they have probable cause for a search and they do not need consent. Probable cause is cause that would lead a reasonable person to believe a suspect has committed a crime. Common example are the smell of drugs or drugs in plain view, among others. This happens hundreds of times a day throughout the United States with no one so much as batting an eyelash...until it happens to a Bama football player.

I think it is pretty reasonable in every jurisdiction in the United States that if a cop rolls up on you and your three buddies in a park after hours and they smell MJ, that is probable cause for a search. But then again, assuming a Bama fan is reasonable in a situation like this....well, I'm clearly wasting my time.

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

Come on now guys, it was all totally innocent. So they had drugs, and stolen guns. It was 4 buddies enjoying a sunset and a circle jerk. No harm done.




LMAO

 

[bamawriter]

You don't think they were smoking in a closed park with 4 dudes in a parked car?? I think its fairly obvious that the officers walked up to guys who just got done, or were caught in the middle of, some foul play. In which case, they have probable cause for a search and they do not need consent. Probable cause is cause that would lead a reasonable person to believe a suspect has committed a crime. Common example are the smell of drugs or drugs in plain view, among others. This happens hundreds of times a day throughout the United States with no one so much as batting an eyelash...until it happens to a Bama football player.

I think it is pretty reasonable in every jurisdiction in the United States that if a cop rolls up on you and your three buddies in a park after hours and they smell MJ, that is probable cause for a search. But then again, assuming a Bama fan is reasonable in a situation like this....well, I'm clearly wasting my time.

You are making a ton of assumptions that aren't supported by the police report.

 

[VolAce]

Not unless you actually took the time to read the articles on what they do know.

Ive read the articles. They all say the same thing, other than the one written by their defense attorney, which should automatically be disregarded as PR damage control.

There were 4 individuals in a car that was parked in a local park after the park had closed. Police officers approached and smelled drugs. At that point, probable cause for a search was alread obtained. Hootie then informed the police of the gun in his lap. If the police were going to look the other way to begin with, because the MJ charge alone would have likely been a misdemeanor, they could no longer look the other way because now it is a felony. The officers asked them to step out of the vehicle for the vehicle to be searched. Police officers found .5 grams of marijuana and a stolen firearm under Cam's seat. Cam and Hootie were arrested. Having drugs and firearms together in Louisiana is a felony. Having a stolen firearm is a felony. What are we not clear on?

 

[bamawriter]

Ive read the articles. They all say the same thing, other than the one written by their defense attorney, which should automatically be disregarded as PR damage control.

There were 4 individuals in a car that was parked in a local park after the park had closed. Police officers approached and smelled drugs. At that point, probable cause for a search was alread obtained. Hootie then informed the police of the gun in his lap. If the police were going to look the other way to begin with, because the MJ charge alone would have likely been a misdemeanor, they could no longer look the other way because now it is a felony. The officers asked them to step out of the vehicle for the vehicle to be searched. Police officers found .5 grams of marijuana and a stolen firearm under Cam's seat. Cam and Hootie were arrested. Having drugs and firearms together in Louisiana is a felony. Having a stolen firearm is a felony. What are we not clear on?

Wait, you said you are dismissing the report from the defense attorney. Without that report you wouldn't even know there were four guys in the car. None of the other reports acknowledge that. The police report doesn't even mention that there were two other guys in the car.

 

[VolAce]

You are making a ton of assumptions that aren't supported by the police report.

Thats what prosecutors do... they are what is known as "reasonable inferences" when trying to prove a case. You tell a story with the evidence backing it up. Evidence can be circumstantial, the jury decides the weight to place on it. Police reports are not used very often in criminal trials, if they are it is typically to refresh the officers recollection of what happened. The police report itself is hearsay and the business record exception typically does not apply to police reports since they are, by their very nature, made in the anticipation of litigation.

 

[VolAce]

Wait, you said you are dismissing the report from the defense attorney. Without that report you wouldn't even know there were four guys in the car. None of the other reports acknowledge that. The police report doesn't even mention that there were two other guys in the car.

Actually, the yahoo article I posted a link to for your convenience noted the two other men in the vehicle....but nice try.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Ive read the articles. They all say the same thing, other than the one written by their defense attorney, which should automatically be disregarded as PR damage control.

There were 4 individuals in a car that was parked in a local park after the park had closed. Police officers approached and smelled drugs. At that point, probable cause for a search was alread obtained. Hootie then informed the police of the gun in his lap. If the police were going to look the other way to begin with, because the MJ charge alone would have likely been a misdemeanor, they could no longer look the other way because now it is a felony. The officers asked them to step out of the vehicle for the vehicle to be searched. Police officers found .5 grams of marijuana and a stolen firearm under Cam's seat. Cam and Hootie were arrested. Having drugs and firearms together in Louisiana is a felony. Having a stolen firearm is a felony. What are we not clear on?

One gun, two arrests. One for weed. Where are the other two smokers?

Dismiss the defense lawyer if you must, but his clients are walking.

In law, that's the same as being serenaded to "Rammer Jammer".

Not to worry, in Louisiana, they're used to it.

 

[bamawriter]

Actually, the yahoo article I posted a link to for your convenience noted the two other men in the vehicle....but nice try.

Given that Yahoo references a report from knoe, it's likely their interview with the defense attorney. I haven't seen anyone else mention it.

 

[vols-1]

The police report said a bag of Mary Jane was in plain view on the drivers floorboard. Not to mention the gun was in plain view on the passengers lap. Those two a lone should be enough to lock these two up for a while.

 

[JohnD13]

A strong odor from half a gram in a bag? Please. The report doesn't say that any of them were smoking it. In all likelihood, the cop pulled up on the guys to tell them to leave the park, saw the gun in Jones' lap, and used it as a pretext to search the car. The report does not say that he requested permission to search. He found the weed, and added that to his "probable cause."



But if the cop found it during an illegal search, then it doesn't matter. The gun might has well have never existed.



They are if the illegal items were found during a search that lacked probable cause.




If the DA had pressed the issue, and a judge tossed the fruits of the search, then the charges would have been dismissed. The same conclusion gets reached either way.

So sad you try and justify in your mind he's okay because they decided to not go forward with the charges. You are exactly what's wrong with college sports... Maybe you and Harvey Updike hang out together?

Of course bama football is all the state of AL has so I can see why you feel this way

 

[bamawriter]

So sad you try and justify in your mind he's okay because they decided to not go forward with the charges. You are exactly what's wrong with college sports... Maybe you and Harvey Updike hang out together?

Of course bama football is all the state of AL has so I can see why you feel this way

What should be the football-related penalty for a non-violent first time offense?

 

[VolAce]

One gun, two arrests. One for weed. Where are the other two smokers?

Dismiss the defense lawyer if you must, but his clients are walking.

In law, that's the same as being serenaded to "Rammer Jammer".

Not to worry, in Louisiana, they're used to it.

It was actually two guns... The defense lawyer did his job and he did it well. They are walking. It just makes you wonder whether the same offense would have produced different results if these two guys didn't play football. I think it's pretty safe to assume it would have.

Given that Yahoo references a report from knoe, it's likely their interview with the defense attorney. I haven't seen anyone else mention it.

Wait, let me get this straight... I was making assumptions? But this is what? Stick to writing buddy, we both know writers don't let facts come in between them and a good story. In court, however, you have to use the facts to tell the story. :hi:

 

[bamawriter]

Wait, let me get this straight... I was making assumptions? But this is what? Stick to writing buddy, we both know writers don't let facts come in between them and a good story. In court, however, you have to use the facts to tell the story. :hi:

Yahoo referenced KNOE. KNOE's report that first brings up the other two guys was an interview with the defense attorney. That's not assumption; it's entry-level logic.

 

[jlindsa4]

What should be the football-related penalty for a non-violent first time offense?

Like I said, UT basketball had a similar incident, almost identical actually. One player owned up to possession of an unmarked firearm so that the others in the car were not removed from the program and the university. It was a first time offense. Said player was removed from the program and expelled from the university.

 

[TUSKtimes]

So sad you try and justify in your mind he's okay because they decided to not go forward with the charges. You are exactly what's wrong with college sports... Maybe you and Harvey Updike hang out together?

Of course bama football is all the state of AL has so I can see why you feel this way

No prosecution.

So the next logical step would be rehabilitation.

What do you know is happening, as we speak, with coach Saban and his misbehaving players?

Plenty of info on the subject. Not enough, need that extra pound of flesh?

You see why folks are rushing to Knoxville to report the latest on title IX this summer?

Amazing when indignation works with the point spread, it can create the perfect storm.

 

[QuickSmurf]

Nm

 

[jlindsa4]

No prosecution.

So the next logical step would be rehabilitation.

What do you know is happening, as we speak, with coach Saban and his misbehaving players?

Plenty of info on the subject. Not enough, need that extra pound of flesh?

You see why folks are rushing to Knoxville to report the latest on title IX this summer?

Amazing when indignation works with the point spread, it can create the perfect storm.

Sounds like there is enough info to me. Regarding the title 9 accusations, I don't see anyone brushing it aside (yet anyway) as it seems to be the case in this situation. Seems like if this were to happen at just about any other school, these guys would have been removed from the program given that others have been removed for non-criminal acts and simply "violating team rules".

 

[bamawriter]

Like I said, UT basketball had a similar incident, almost identical actually. One player owned up to possession of an unmarked firearm so that the others in the car were not removed from the program and the university. It was a first time offense. Said player was removed from the program and expelled from the university.

Did the player in question cop a plea to what, in that case, would have been a federal charge?

 

[VolAce]

Yahoo referenced KNOE. KNOE's report that first brings up the other two guys was an interview with the defense attorney. That's not assumption; it's entry-level logic.

Yahoo does reference a KNOE article. It actually references a few different KNOE articles, none of which cite the defense attorney or an interview with the defense attorney. So it's anyones guess wehre the number came from. But I'm sure the defense attorney was the only person who was privy to the number of the people in the car, which is irrelevant anyways, so your "entry-level" logic might need an upgrade. Perhaps on the next go-around, choose a school outside the state of Alabama to pursue your education if these concepts are so difficult for you to grasp.

 

[VolAce]

No prosecution.

So the next logical step would be rehabilitation.

What do you know is happening, as we speak, with coach Saban and his misbehaving players?

Plenty of info on the subject. Not enough, need that extra pound of flesh?

You see why folks are rushing to Knoxville to report the latest on title IX this summer?

Amazing when indignation works with the point spread, it can create the perfect storm.

You're aware of the differences between a Title IX case and a criminal case, right?

 

[bamawriter]

Yahoo does reference a KNOE article. It actually references a few different KNOE articles, none of which cite the defense attorney or an interview with the defense attorney. So it's anyones guess wehre the number came from. But I'm sure the defense attorney was the only person who was privy to the number of the people in the car, which is irrelevant anyways, so your "entry-level" logic might need an upgrade. Perhaps on the next go-around, choose a school outside the state of Alabama to pursue your education if these concepts are so difficult for you to grasp.

I went to school in Tennessee from K thru college. I'm good.

I love how the number of people in the car suddenly became "irrelevant." When trying to determine possession, failing to mention half of the possible suspects seems pretty "relevant."