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#27
#27
Velo Vol said:
I already did.
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For you :)
 
#28
#28
e-VOL-ution2013 said:
Why Cal? What has he done that has exceeded people's expectation?
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Bring in another stockpile of NBA players, win almost every game, most of them in laughable fashion, mesh their egos to form around a team concept, win with only seven players.

That's just a few.

I can't stand him, but I think this is the year he makes his recruiting method produce a championship. If it were based on in-season results, you give if them hands-down. In a tournament, anything is possible though.
 
#29
#29
DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
When I think of what qualifies as a great coaching job for coach of the year...I think of a coach having to take average-above average players and make them over achieve their own abilities. Even though Cal only has one loss...with the level of players he has he is not exceeding the level of talent he has to put out on the court every night. Cuonzo for sure is. Just my :twocents:
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Under your parameters, Cal, Coach K, Roy Williams, etc would never win Coach of the Year. There is more to winning than just having top-shelf talent. You can't penalize them for being good recruiters. They have to make those kids buy into their system, create a team concept, and manage the egos of kids who have been "the man" all their lives.

What's comical is that people now find it to to be the norm for Cal to bring in a #1 recruiting class and win every game. How do you exceed those expectations?!?!? The fact that he has managed to maintain those expectations three years running (and not get snooped out by the NCAA) is impressive enough.
 
#30
#30
Let's be honest... Too many homer's on this topic. Cal would have to go .500 from here on out and lose his first SEC tourney game to lose it. I would love to see CCM win it, but he has runner up written all over him.
 
#31
#31
DaDuRkEr said:
Let's be honest... Too many homer's on this topic. Cal would have to go .500 from here on out and lose his first SEC tourney game to lose it. I would love to see CCM win it, but he has runner up written all over him.
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Agree.
 
#32
#32
those of you annointing this trophy to cal fail to realize a few things:

Cal has yet to win a SEC C.O.Y. even going 29-12(14-2) in his first year, pretty comparable to this year, i get its not undefeated though.

also, calipari has never won an AP C.O.Y award. this includes sesason of 33-4(13-1), 33-4(16-0), 38-2(16-0) and 33-4(16-0). the people voting for these awards realize what kind of talent he has on his teams and that just because he puts together ridiculous records doesnt mean he should win coach of the year.


FWIW
 
#33
#33
bleedingTNorange said:
those of you annointing this trophy to cal fail to realize a few things:

Cal has yet to win a SEC C.O.Y. even going 29-12(14-2) in his first year, pretty comparable to this year, i get its not undefeated though.

also, calipari has never won an AP C.O.Y award. this includes sesason of 33-4(13-1), 33-4(16-0), 38-2(16-0) and 33-4(16-0). the people voting for these awards realize what kind of talent he has on his teams and that just because he puts together ridiculous records doesnt mean he should win coach of the year.


FWIW
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I didn't fail to realize anything. I'm just telling you. Cal will be SEC coach of the year barring a monumental collapse from UK and/or a 5-0 finish and an unlikely run through the SEC tourney from Tennessee.

There are just no other viable candidates. If Tennessee finishes 5-0 and wins the SEC tourney, CCM deserves it. That is most likely not going to happen, so unless you can name another realistic candidate...
 
#34
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cncchris33 said:
I didn't fail to realize anything. I'm just telling you. Cal will be SEC coach of the year barring a monumental collapse from UK and/or a 5-0 finish and an unlikely run through the SEC tourney from Tennessee.

There are just no other viable candidates. If Tennessee finishes 5-0 and wins the SEC tourney, CCM deserves it. That is most likely not going to happen, so unless you can name another realistic candidate...
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which is why i say there must be an arguable candidate, if theres not well then year calipari gets it, but imo if there is someone that even deserves consideration sec has showed they'll get it over cal.

if ut goes 4-1 and gets a 2nd or 3rd place seed in sec t i think ccm is deserving, projected 11th finishind 2nd!?!?!?

other than ccm though i really dont see any coaches who would be deserving at this point.
 
#35
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bleedingTNorange said:
which is why i say there must be an arguable candidate, if theres not well then year calipari gets it, but imo if there is someone that even deserves consideration sec has showed they'll get it over cal.

if ut goes 4-1 and gets a 2nd or 3rd place seed in sec t i think ccm is deserving, projected 11th finishind 2nd!?!?!?

other than ccm though i really dont see any coaches who would be deserving at this point.
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I just can't see giving it to a coach who lost 13 games in the regular season, most likely won't make the tourney, and was the recipient of an unlikely gift in Jarnell Stokes at midseason (an obvious advantage no other team was afforded) over a coach who guided his team to an undefeated conference season and only one loss overall.

And for the record, I am in no way trying minimize the accomplishments and improvements CCM has amassed this season. I think he has proven that he is the right man for this job.
 
#36
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cncchris33 said:
I just can't see giving it to a coach who lost 13 games in the regular season, most likely won't make the tourney, and was the recipient of an unlikely gift in Jarnell Stokes at midseason (an obvious advantage no other team was afforded) over a coach who guided his team to an undefeated conference season and only one loss overall.

And for the record, I am in no way trying minimize the accomplishments and improvements CCM has amassed this season. I think he has proven that he is the right man for this job.
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i see what your saying. as you said unless ccm goes 5-0 or 4-1 i think cal absolutely gets it, but imo ccm should if he is able to get us into the 2 or 3 spot.

i mean which is the better COACHING job? imo its not even close if we close that way.
 
#37
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bleedingTNorange said:
i mean which is the better COACHING job? imo its not even close if we close that way.
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Well, if you consider that in the college game, part of coaching is recruiting, then it is close. Cal has recruited better and in my opinion shouldn't be penalized for that. CCM has definitely had a tougher challenge to succeed, but Tennessee's on-court success doesn't even compare to UK's.

People want to hold it against Cal that he has the best talent. A college coach's job is to recruit, and he is the best, whether you agree with his methods or not. The NCAA has found no flaw in it...yet.

Tennessee has a long way to go to finish second in the league. A lot of things have to happen, and if they do, we will most likely be 5 games behind UK in the standings as the second place team. In that scenario, to me it speaks to the overall weakness of the SEC more than it does to Tennessee's intra-conference superiority.
 
#39
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cncchris33 said:
Well, if you consider that in the college game, part of coaching is recruiting, then it is close. Cal has recruited better and in my opinion shouldn't be penalized for that. CCM has definitely had a tougher challenge to succeed, but Tennessee's on-court success doesn't even compare to UK's.

People want to hold it against Cal that he has the best talent. A college coach's job is to recruit, and he is the best, whether you agree with his methods or not. The NCAA has found no flaw in it...yet.

Tennessee has a long way to go to finish second in the league. A lot of things have to happen, and if they do, we will most likely be 5 games behind UK in the standings as the second place team. In that scenario, to me it speaks to the overall weakness of the SEC more than it does to Tennessee's intra-conference superiority.
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very very true i never really looked at it that way with recruiting. in all honesty i understand if cal gets it and quite frankly cant argue with it, but if ccm were to get it i think it also would be understandable. as i said, in years past like cal's first year he had far and away the best team in the sec but didnt win it. i think the voters do hold it against him that he has the most talent, and i personally think they are looking for the best "coaching" job, not recrutiing.

JMHO
 
#41
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bleedingTNorange said:
very very true i never really looked at it that way with recruiting. in all honesty i understand if cal gets it and quite frankly cant argue with it, but if ccm were to get it i think it also would be understandable. as i said, in years past like cal's first year he had far and away the best team in the sec but didnt win it. i think the voters do hold it against him that he has the most talent, and i personally think they are looking for the best "coaching" job, not recrutiing.

JMHO
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I agree. Voters seem to look for the underdog of sorts, the unexpected, but in terms of "coaching", what's better than undefeated? This Kentucky team is Cal's best team. His first group at UK might have been the most talented, but this one is the best "team".
 
#43
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BigPapaCat said:
Cal gets it if UK goes undefeated in SEC.
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Seems about right but I find it funny with all his crazy good years he's had he had no ap national coach of the year awards or sec coach of the year awards.

I think it's pretty clear voters aren't his biggest fans.I wonder why that is.
 
#44
#44
If Tn finishes 2nd or 3rd in Conference, he will get some votes. You can't ignore the fact we were picked to finish 11th. Kentucky was picked to finish 1st. Cal will get it for the undefeated season, but there is room for debate.
 
#45
#45
bleedingTNorange said:
Seems about right but I find it funny with all his crazy good years he's had he had no ap national coach of the year awards or sec coach of the year awards.

I think it's pretty clear voters aren't his biggest fans.I wonder why that is.
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winning a title with a loaded team that was picked preseason to win it really isn't the sign of a great floor coach
 
#46
#46
utvolpj said:
winning a title with a loaded team that was picked preseason to win it really isn't the sign of a great floor coach
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No but as someone brought up and it's a good point, it's not floor coach of the year, it's coach of the year. Recruiting is part of coaching, so should he really be penalized for recruiting top talent?

Kind of a different point of view but it does make sense. As I said in response to that though, if I had a vote and ccm finished 2 or 3 he gets my vote, but I'm a bit biased.
 
#47
#47
sorry but it's not a good point at all. The coty award is not going to someone because of recruiting. It has everything to do with the product on the floor. UK is doing it there but they also started very high
 
#48
#48
As someone said, this is a homer thread. But that is ok. Part of the fun.

I was really thinking that the SEC coach of the year was judged by how they do in the SEC. But now that I rethink that, perhaps it is more of an overall record thing? Any one know the exact criteria?

Even with a loaded team, I do think at this point that it is Cal's to lose. However, I think he is extremely unpopular outside of Kentucky. So if anyone can get remotely close to him in terms of accomplishments, I do think they might nudge him out. It is a long shot, but maybe....?
 
#49
#49
utvolpj said:
sorry but it's not a good point at all. The coty award is not going to someone because of recruiting. It has everything to do with the product on the floor. UK is doing it there but they also started very high
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I disagree. Recruiting is part of coaching isn't it? Now if he was like pastner recruiting good but coaching bad then ok he deserves no consideration. But he is doing what I part of rcoaching and that's recruiting, and he's doing it better than anyone in the country, I do feel he deserves some credit for that.

As I said its not call the floor coach of the year award, it's called coach of the year award, and par of coaching is recruiting. I don't like the guy but I'm being realistic.
 
#50
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Jackson_Harris said:
As someone said, this is a homer thread. But that is ok. Part of the fun.

I was really thinking that the SEC coach of the year was judged by how they do in the SEC. But now that I rethink that, perhaps it is more of an overall record thing? Any one know the exact criteria?

Even with a loaded team, I do think at this point that it is Cal's to lose. However, I think he is extremely unpopular outside of Kentucky. So if anyone can get remotely close to him in terms of accomplishments, I do think they might nudge him out. It is a long shot, but maybe....?
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Bingo! That's what I've been saying, if Martin can finish 2nd or 3rd and create an argument atleast that may be enough.

He is very unpopular as evidenced that he's never won an AP COY or SEC COY, yet some of those teams were ridiculous.
 
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