Can Dooley close on recruits?

#26
#26
rexvol said:
he did do a great job with Hunter, but lets face it, he's a downgrade in recruiting from LK. It simply is what it is.
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I totally disagree. It is a style versus substance debate. Flash only gets you so far for so long....
 
#27
#27
rexvol said:
he did do a great job with Hunter, but lets face it, he's a downgrade in recruiting from LK. It simply is what it is.
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Why....because he is not on the news saying CUM is committing recruiting violations that he isn't committing?

He was on a staff that had the #2 ranked class in 2003 by Scout.com behind U.S.C. and repeated the same rank in 2004 behind them again....without all the backyard SoCal talent to choose from just like Texas.

He has been on a staff that knows how to get the job done just like the previous jerk that gave you and the rest of the Vol Nation the finger and ran away to an easy job out here in L.A.

Dooley has recruited in the S.E.C. and knows how to sell to Southern parents.....just ask Marlon Brown's Grandma what she thinks of Kiffin and Orgeron. Kiffin was building a fence around the state remember and Brown's Granny kicked it down without breaking her hip!

We have one of the best O-line and one of the best D-line coaches in the game....with a reputation for getting college kids to the N.F.L. and Pro coaching experience. A WR's coach that has coached some of the best in the Pro's. Lance Thompson....need I say more. An Offensive Coordinator that coached the current Super Bowl M.V.P. to stardom as a 3* recruit at Purdue and a head coach that has been to the show as well. We have the N.F.L. sales pitch to use just like the clowns that were here before.

Smooth is fast.....patience is a virtue....quit hating on this staff....let them do their thing man.
 
#29
#29
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A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Closing. Always be closing, always be closing.
 
#30
#30
CDD's first class was ranked about the same as LK's first class. Also, the folks we gained were a lot better than the guys we lost when the coaching change occured IMO. I don't think LK had but one commit at this time as well. from what I have seen, I am not ready to say we downgraded in recruiting.

everyone is so quick to compare CDD to LK but then if you actually do compare the two, you would have to say CDD is doing a lot better now than LK was a year ago. JMO.
 
#31
#31
DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
Why....because he is not on the news saying CUM is committing recruiting violations that he isn't committing?

He was on a staff that had the #2 ranked class in 2003 by Scout.com behind U.S.C. and repeated the same rank in 2004 behind them again....without all the backyard SoCal talent to choose from just like Texas.

He has been on a staff that knows how to get the job done just like the previous jerk that gave you and the rest of the Vol Nation the finger and ran away to an easy job out here in L.A.

Dooley has recruited in the S.E.C. and knows how to sell to Southern parents.....just ask Marlon Brown's Grandma what she thinks of Kiffin and Orgeron. Kiffin was building a fence around the state remember and Brown's Granny kicked it down without breaking her hip!

We have one of the best O-line and one of the best D-line coaches in the game....with a reputation for getting college kids to the N.F.L. and Pro coaching experience. A WR's coach that has coached some of the best in the Pro's. Lance Thompson....need I say more. An Offensive Coordinator that coached the current Super Bowl M.V.P. to stardom as a 3* recruit at Purdue and a head coach that has been to the show as well. We have the N.F.L. sales pitch to use just like the clowns that were here before.

Smooth is fast.....patience is a virtue....quit hating on this staff....let them do their thing man.
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Best post I've seen in some time. Well played sir.:salute:
 
#32
#32
derelick_my_vols said:
why....because he is not on the news saying cum is committing recruiting violations that he isn't committing?

He was on a staff that had the #2 ranked class in 2003 by scout.com behind u.s.c. And repeated the same rank in 2004 behind them again....without all the backyard socal talent to choose from just like texas.

He has been on a staff that knows how to get the job done just like the previous jerk that gave you and the rest of the vol nation the finger and ran away to an easy job out here in l.a.

Dooley has recruited in the s.e.c. And knows how to sell to southern parents.....just ask marlon brown's grandma what she thinks of kiffin and orgeron. Kiffin was building a fence around the state remember and brown's granny kicked it down without breaking her hip!

We have one of the best o-line and one of the best d-line coaches in the game....with a reputation for getting college kids to the n.f.l. And pro coaching experience. A wr's coach that has coached some of the best in the pro's. Lance thompson....need i say more. An offensive coordinator that coached the current super bowl m.v.p. To stardom as a 3* recruit at purdue and a head coach that has been to the show as well. We have the n.f.l. Sales pitch to use just like the clowns that were here before.

Smooth is fast.....patience is a virtue....quit hating on this staff....let them do their thing man.
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+1000
 
#33
#33
He has a tough sell with all the media and many of our fans saying that the program is heading for some lean years ahead. Anybody can sell a BMW but few can sell a Chrysler 300.
 
#34
#34
DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
Why....because he is not on the news saying CUM is committing recruiting violations that he isn't committing?

He was on a staff that had the #2 ranked class in 2003 by Scout.com behind U.S.C. and repeated the same rank in 2004 behind them again....without all the backyard SoCal talent to choose from just like Texas.

He has been on a staff that knows how to get the job done just like the previous jerk that gave you and the rest of the Vol Nation the finger and ran away to an easy job out here in L.A.

Dooley has recruited in the S.E.C. and knows how to sell to Southern parents.....just ask Marlon Brown's Grandma what she thinks of Kiffin and Orgeron. Kiffin was building a fence around the state remember and Brown's Granny kicked it down without breaking her hip!

We have one of the best O-line and one of the best D-line coaches in the game....with a reputation for getting college kids to the N.F.L. and Pro coaching experience. A WR's coach that has coached some of the best in the Pro's. Lance Thompson....need I say more. An Offensive Coordinator that coached the current Super Bowl M.V.P. to stardom as a 3* recruit at Purdue and a head coach that has been to the show as well. We have the N.F.L. sales pitch to use just like the clowns that were here before.

Smooth is fast.....patience is a virtue....quit hating on this staff....let them do their thing man.
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nice..GO VOLS!!!:rock:
 
#35
#35
TennGentry said:
Yeah LK was a great recruiter alright. Two recruits charged with armed robbery and one still hasn't learned his lesson. An overrated diva 5-star running back no longer with us. I'll take character guys over idiots any day.
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This!:lolabove:
 
#36
#36
Personally, I think closing will be one of Dooleys strongest attributes as a recruiter. He's gonna sell the tradition of the university & the academic. His staff will sell developing talent to get to the NFL. Dooley will be a hit in selling character building to the parents. Parents want to make sure their kids are watched over & taken care of while attending college. Just call him Dooley Riveria, because he's going to be a magnificent closer. Just wait & see!
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#37
#37
kiffin is a good recruiter no doubt, but last year was full of propaganda as well. We heard many times from "sources" last year that we were in good shape with elite level prospects who eventually ended up committing to other schools before Kiffin left. He did land several good prospects, but I don't think the results matched the hype. He didn't close enough of those elite prospects before he left. Kiffin had 11 months to close those kids and didn't, whereas Dooley had 3 weeks to close kids and had a good amount of success doing it. Neal, Hunter, Stone, Rogers, and Loften were all kids that Dooley landed...in 3 weeks...all Rivals top 250 guys...and our only 5 star in the class. 5 guys in 3 weeks in the top 250 compared to about 8 or 10 that kiffin had committed, including the ones that decided not to sign here.

I say yeah, he can close.
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#38
#38
DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
Why....because he is not on the news saying CUM is committing recruiting violations that he isn't committing?

He was on a staff that had the #2 ranked class in 2003 by Scout.com behind U.S.C. and repeated the same rank in 2004 behind them again....without all the backyard SoCal talent to choose from just like Texas.

He has been on a staff that knows how to get the job done just like the previous jerk that gave you and the rest of the Vol Nation the finger and ran away to an easy job out here in L.A.

Dooley has recruited in the S.E.C. and knows how to sell to Southern parents.....just ask Marlon Brown's Grandma what she thinks of Kiffin and Orgeron. Kiffin was building a fence around the state remember and Brown's Granny kicked it down without breaking her hip!

We have one of the best O-line and one of the best D-line coaches in the game....with a reputation for getting college kids to the N.F.L. and Pro coaching experience. A WR's coach that has coached some of the best in the Pro's. Lance Thompson....need I say more. An Offensive Coordinator that coached the current Super Bowl M.V.P. to stardom as a 3* recruit at Purdue and a head coach that has been to the show as well. We have the N.F.L. sales pitch to use just like the clowns that were here before.

Smooth is fast.....patience is a virtue....quit hating on this staff....let them do their thing man.
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:good!: :good!: :good!:
 
#40
#40
rexvol said:
he did do a great job with Hunter, but lets face it, he's a downgrade in recruiting from LK. It simply is what it is.
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It's way too early to say that. We can say that Kiffin did a helluva job recruiting when he was here. We can thank Eddie Gran for much of that, but Dooley deserves a chance to show what he can do before he's written off as in-superior.
 
#41
#41
I think Kiffin was a better seller-of-the-program to the actual prospects over the phone, but Dooley is gonna be lights out in the in-home visits.
 
#43
#43
TennGentry said:
Yeah LK was a great recruiter alright. Two recruits charged with armed robbery and one still hasn't learned his lesson. An overrated diva 5-star running back no longer with us. I'll take character guys over idiots any day.
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Well played sir......I couldn't agree more.
LK was and is a joke....I'm glad that he is gone.
It is WAY to early to write CDD off as a less stellar recruiter....I'd say with the players he managed to land late and keep our other commits he did one hell of a job. People just need to relax, come next January our class will be looking good IMO, just give him time
 
#46
#46
rexvol said:
he did do a great job with Hunter, but lets face it, he's a downgrade in recruiting from LK. It simply is what it is.
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I'm all for the wait and see(I'm on that boat, by the way) but there is no way to prove this right now.
 
#47
#47
TennGentry said:
Best post I've seen in some time. Well played sir.:salute:
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Thanks.....I just don't get it.....Dooley has been at the college equivalent of the Oakland Raiders and had a winning season, a bowl win, and made a team of no talent competitive.....more than Kiffin has accomplished so far as a head coach.

Think of it this way for example....if a kid (LaTech Football team) is a D- student with no signs of being able to learn and a teacher (CDD and his staff) works with them hard and makes them a C- student the teacher DID TEACH...period....and the kid learned a little. So the point I'm trying to make is he coached those kids up and made them bowl winners.....end of story...and probably would've last season if they hadn't been plagued by 100 injuries to all there starters.

I think my last post made the point on recruiting and the type of staff we have.....I'm just sick of all the hating on here and judging a man on his W's and L's.

If W's and L's matter so much then Nick Saban would've never got out of Michigan St. He coached a hair above .500 ball club every season I think while he was there.....and wasn't it during his big winning season he took the L.S.U. job and bailed before MSU's bowl game? He turned out to be a smart hire huh......sounds like a coach we've got to me.

Thanks to Wiki here are the stats:
When Saban arrived in East Lansing, Michigan prior to the 1995 season, MSU had not had a winning season since 1990, and the team was sanctioned by the NCAA for recruiting violations committed under his predecessor, his former mentor, George Perles.[15]

1995–1997 – Beginning in 1995, Saban moderately improved MSU's fortunes, taking the Spartans to minor bowl games (all of which they lost by double-digit margins) in each of his first three seasons. From 1995 to 1997, Michigan State finished 6–5-1, 6–6, and 7–5. In comparison, MSU had finished 5–6, 6–6 and 5–6 (prior to NCAA forfeits) in 1992–1994.

1998 – On November 7, 1998, the Spartans upset the #1 ranked Ohio State 28–24 at Ohio Stadium. However, even after the upset and an early-season rout of then-highly-ranked Notre Dame the Spartans finished 6–6, including three last-minute losses featuring turnovers, defensive lapses, and special-teams misplays, and failed to earn a bowl invitation.

1999 – Saban led the Spartans to a 9–2 season that included wins over Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State. Conversely, the two losses were routs at the hands of Purdue and Wisconsin. Following the final regular-season game against Penn State, Saban abruptly resigned to accept the head coaching position with LSU. Saban's assistant head coach and successor, Bobby Williams, then coached MSU to a Citrus Bowl victory over Florida, giving the Spartans an overall record of 10–2 for the 1999 season. It would be the best season in terms of wins for the Spartans since 1965, and it would see the Spartans reach their highest ranking since the 1966 team.

Most of you on here would have been calling him a bust when LSU hired him if you didn't know him now by those stats....I'm old enough to remember the SEC fans lauging at LSU for the hire....I was one of them too until that SEC title game in 2001 which cost us a Nat'l Championship.
 
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#49
#49
Lord Vader said:
I think Kiffin was a better seller-of-the-program to the actual prospects over the phone, but Dooley is gonna be lights out in the in-home visits.
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CLK was great at getting UT on a prospect's short list, but I think people forget how many primary targets the old staff actually lost in the end.

I remember watching CLK miss on QB after QB until Bray (glad we got him, don't get me wrong) fell into their laps.

I also remember tons of other prospects like Luc, Riley, Elam, C. Green, etc that the staff spent considerable time on but couldn't land.

Didn't CLK even call out Marlon Brown as his number 1 target at one of his first press conferences, only to miss out on him because of the coaching staff he put together (Ogre)?
 
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