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An "Anti- Muslim Ranting" forum in additon to the Politics forum? Maybe bring some life back into this joint if every thread didn't lead back to the same revival / klan meeting.
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JTrainDavis said:
An "Anti- Muslim Ranting" forum in additon to the Politics forum? Maybe bring some life back into this joint if every thread didn't lead back to the same revival / klan meeting.
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Maybe we should just bury our heads in the sand and believe that Islam and Terrorism arent birds of the same feather. Doesnt mean that we are in the "klan" if we question the beliefs of a radical faction which masquerades as a religion.
 
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The 4 or 5 of you who feel the need to keep backslapping each other about the evil Muslims and their master scheme just get tiresome. Your discussion has a place, but the 45 threads on the 1st page, the vast majority being "Muslim store owner refuses to sell Alcohol to Christian Minor" variety, I'm just failing to see a point. Perhaps a well formed discussion, rather than cut and pastes and pictures, mixed with links and words of agreement from the other 4-5 would be slightly productive. 87 threads about the same thing is not, and serves only to make you guys appear foolish.
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I wouldnt consider myself totally "Anti-Muslim", more "Anti- radical Muslim". If you are muslim and you live in this country, knowing that you are among Christians and other faiths and are willing to accept our cultures along with yours, then you are welcome. If your only purpose in this country is to spread your hate for America, what we stand for, kill innocent Americans by either committing terrible mass murder or sending money, earned in this country, to Islamic Jihadists, then I have a problem with you and you are not welcome. That doesnt make me a hate monger.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
An "Anti- Muslim Ranting" forum in additon to the Politics forum? Maybe bring some life back into this joint if every thread didn't lead back to the same revival / klan meeting.
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Cosign.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not at all. Just agreeing with the point that the forum has been overrun by one particular message and tired of reading you guys stemming over your collective obsession.
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Maybe we should just hold hands and sing Kumbaya and believe no one out there wants to hurt us. Yea!! kinda like Clinton did with Bin Laden. The proverbial " if we ignore it, it will go away" philosophy adapted by many in this country.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Maybe we should just hold hands and sing Kumbaya and believe no one out there wants to hurt us. Yea!! kinda like Clinton did with Bin Laden. The proverbial " if we ignore it, it will go away" philosophy adapted by many in this country.
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where was my head buried in the sand? I naturally consider militant Islam a major problem. However, there was also a time when this forum was enjoyable, before the anti-muslim circle jerk became the status quo. Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
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CountVolcula said:
Maybe we should just hold hands and sing Kumbaya and believe no one out there wants to hurt us. Yea!! kinda like Clinton did with Bin Laden. The proverbial " if we ignore it, it will go away" philosophy adapted by many in this country.
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Better yet, let's marginalize those too smart to see the world in the simplest terms like you do, of us versus them, with no one in the middle.

Got news for you. The middle is huge!
 
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lawgator1 said:
Better yet, let's marginalize those too smart to see the world in the simplest terms like you do, of us versus them, with no one in the middle.

Got news for you. The middle is huge!
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I simply choose not to put blinders on and pretend that there is not a problem going on. It would be easy to pretend that we are invincible, that terrorist will never attack this country, like we did before. After the initial shock of 9/11, the most unnerving thing that most Americans felt was the sense of no longer being safe from terrorists. It was no longer a million miles away. We could no longer ignore it. But again, we are becoming passive in our treatment of radical islamic groups.

Obama has become the apologist. Releasing the war criminals for trial inside the U.S., treating them like a common criminal. Apologizing to Islamic nations on "behalf" of the American people. The list goes on.

While we set by and pretend that they dont want to destroy the U.S. and our way of life, they are plotting their next strike. They are training to take over school buses, schools, etc.. , while we stand by and hope that they will see the light and put down their guns and bombs and let bygones be bygones. Dream on!!!
 
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CountVolcula said:
I simply choose not to put blinders on and pretend that there is not a problem going on. It would be easy to pretend that we are invincible, that terrorist will never attack this country, like we did before. After the initial shock of 9/11, the most unnerving thing that most Americans felt was the sense of no longer being safe from terrorists. It was no longer a million miles away. We could no longer ignore it. But again, we are becoming passive in our treatment of radical islamic groups.

Obama has become the apologist. Releasing the war criminals for trial inside the U.S., treating them like a common criminal. Apologizing to Islamic nations on "behalf" of the American people. The list goes on.

While we set by and pretend that they dont want to destroy the U.S. and our way of life, they are plotting their next strike. They are training to take over school buses, schools, etc.. , while we stand by and hope that they will see the light and put down their guns and bombs and let bygones be bygones. Dream on!!!
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Another thread now dedicated to the imminent Holy War. My point in the OP has been proven, good day.
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CountVolcula said:
What does the Arabic word, Jihad, mean?
It is mentioned many times in the Qu'ran
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Thanks for the info. I honestly never knew that, i just blindly accept others without question. Maybe i can join the Michael Savage fan club now?
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JTrainDavis said:
where was my head buried in the sand? I naturally consider militant Islam a major problem. However, there was also a time when this forum was enjoyable, before the anti-muslim circle jerk became the status quo. Posted via VolNation Mobile
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Wasnt directed at you, personally.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Wasnt directed at you, personally.
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You're probably on another list now, you have interrupted a perfectly good whine thread! :)

Why do people dis on Islam? It's not that bad.

Other than you can't wear gold, can't have a dog for a pet, can't play a musical instrument, can't listen to music or watch TV, can't have pictures or take pictures of animate objects, must wipe your butt a certain way, must wash a certain way, must pray to a rock 5 times a day and have to visit the rock at some point and maybe get trampled, can't gamble, can't drink, can't masturbate, can't borrow money with interest, can't buy insurance and basically can't do much of anything unless the imam tells you it's OK, can't ever renounce islam on penalty of death.

On the upside you can rape and kill folks. When you kill folks it's best to do so by running planes in to buildings or hiding behind stuff and watching your bombs blow up people.

So, as everyone can see, islam only sucks about 99.99% of the time.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
An "Anti- Muslim Ranting" forum in additon to the Politics forum? Maybe bring some life back into this joint if every thread didn't lead back to the same revival / klan meeting.
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Maybe if they did not want us dead just because we don't believe like them, we would not be so harsh toward them. Their "religion" is one of violence and fear.

So just because we see a certain "religion" for what it is, that makes us klan members?
 
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CountVolcula said:
What does the Arabic word, Jihad, mean?
It is mentioned many times in the Qu'ran
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I believe it means "struggle".

In Islamic theology, there are actually two types of jihad, minor and major (or something like that). The minor refers to the personal struggle to live the values of a good muslim, the major refers to military action.

Nevertheless, just like with any religion, people can interpret anyway they want. They can overlook the bad things and focus on the good. I am still of the opionion good people will be good and bad people will be bad and that is the determining factor about who becomes radical.
 
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rjd970 said:
I believe it means "struggle".

In Islamic theology, there are actually two types of jihad, minor and major (or something like that). The minor refers to the personal struggle to live the values of a good muslim, the major refers to military action.

Nevertheless, just like with any religion, people can interpret anyway they want. They can overlook the bad things and focus on the good. I am still of the opionion good people will be good and bad people will be bad and that is the determining factor about who becomes radical.
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I think this is oversimplifying things to say the least. I am quite sure that there are/were impressionable people who have been lured into horrible situations or who have been overwhelmed with propaganda into believing and uniting for a cause that was negative. The people of Germany for instance, so many were consumed in the moment and fooled into buying the horse crap Hitler was selling. They weren't all bad people.
 
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KB5252 said:
I think this is oversimplifying things to say the least. I am quite sure that there are/were impressionable people who have been lured into horrible situations or who have been overwhelmed with propaganda into believing and uniting for a cause that was negative. The people of Germany for instance, so many were consumed in the moment and fooled into buying the horse crap Hitler was selling. They weren't all bad people.
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Yea, they were wonderful compassionate people. This is one of the most ridiculous arguements I have ever heard.
 
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KB5252 said:
I think this is oversimplifying things to say the least. I am quite sure that there are/were impressionable people who have been lured into horrible situations or who have been overwhelmed with propaganda into believing and uniting for a cause that was negative. The people of Germany for instance, so many were consumed in the moment and fooled into buying the horse crap Hitler was selling. They weren't all bad people.
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There is a lot more to it, for sure. But as a rule, people will look for any excuse to do what they want to do anyway. This is why I think religious beliefs can be so dangerous. It is very elastic, and two people can read the same scripture and come away with completely different ideas about what it means. All you have to do is look at the history of religion to see it is littered with people bending beliefs to fit personal and political agendas. St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine are two examples in Christianity of this happening, and they were given sainthood.

It is why Islam is so dangerous now. As far as brutality, it is no different than Christianity of the middle ages. Muslims are stuck in the glory and beliefs of the 7th century and they have 21st century wepons. Couple that religion and mindset with political unrest and socio-economic turmoil in the middle east and it accounts for a very dangerous situation. But as a set of beliefs that anybody can take away what they want to read, Islam is no different than anything else. Good muslims can choose to simply ignore the violent parts of the Qu'ran if they so choose, bad muslims will obviously focus on them to achieve a particular agenda.

...and as a side note, you would be surprised how many Germans didn't buy into the garbage Hitler was selling. My great uncle fought in Europe and married a girl that grew up in Berlin under Hitler. She would always talk about how the Nazi's would come round everybody up from their houses and make them cheer for those stupid parades to put on a show for the cameras. Alot of that footage of the Germans showing Hitler praised was staged she said.
 
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