Can / will Fulmer turn it around...

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We all know CPF is an excellent recruiter.

We all know UT has everything i.e. fans, facilities, $$$, tradition, tv exposure, talent, etc. in place.

We all know every recruiting season UT gets it's fair share.

We all know UT certainly gets National TV exposure.

We all know UT SHOULD be in contention for at least the SECE every year.

With these points made does CPF have the post meltdown "wits" to monitor UT's long overdue changes?

In my opinion, he has got to become a better policeman on & off the field, demand more discipline, have his coaches expand the offense, require his Staff to expect perfection, demand game to game improvement (something not seen in years) and use all the speed UT's talent pocess, expect to score on every offensive series & make the Coaches including himself more accountable for progress of their units.

My friends, those basic points should be premier objectives EVERY year.

I'm in doubt he has the ability... I hope I'm wrong. As a UT Fan I do not want to see other fans (again) fall into the same old rut many have been evidently become accustomed to. More specifically "Tennessee Football" is not accepting a last quarter rally, a last second defensive stop, a last second fg, a favorable ref's call, a favorable clock operators assistance...to assure a Vols victory against lesser talented teams. My friends that is not "Tennessee Football" in my opinion, it's totally unacceptable!
 
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There's no doubt that Fulmer can coach, but one wonders if he can salvage discipline in the program without having to gut it first.

He's recruited a lot of players that he's won over with the current permissive/undisciplined culture, and old habits may die hard. You win players to what you recruit them with.

If the program starts losing players after the crackdown, it's going to be hard to avoid a downturn.
 
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yes fulmer will turn it around, hes gonna have a great recruiting class, i can see it now, just wait guys, with coach cut getting the dicipline back in order, and some new leaders emerging on defense/offense, this team should be turned around, and quickly
 
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i have serious questions whether fulmer can "turn it around". he had to go hire Cut so that there could be some "discipline in the program". fulmer should be able to implement discipline on his own.

and as far as recruting goes Tennessee will be lucky to be in the top 20 do to the win loss record. players want to win not lose ball games.
 
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I'm not that worried about this years recruiting class. We had a great one last year. We're still going to get some good position guys this year and who knows, there could be some surprises. Last years class should be able to hold things together until the next recruiting season.

As for Fulmer getting things together, who knows? The thing that we have to remember is that this was one of the unluckiest seasons that we've had. Yes, the coaches and players were responsible but there was more to it. Call it unlucky, hapless, ill-fated, ill-starred, luckless, star-crossed, unfortunate, inauspicious, unfavorable, unpromising, calamitous, catastrophic, disastrous; damned, doomed, or tragic. Nothing fell into place.

I think that we go back to the way we were next year. We will only lose to the ones that we usually lose to. UF and UGA and that one other team.
 
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I have said before that I do not believe that Coach Fulmer can do it by himself. I do believe, however, that he can let someone else do it and be successful. If he lets Coach Cutcliffe have free reign on the offense, all will be well. If he doesn't...Coach Cutcliffe will be leaving in a hurry.
 
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discipline in the program? you guys act like the team sucked overall this past season. i seem to remember a defense that finished 12th in the NCAA. some of the defensive players had off the field problems.... JUST LIKE EVERY SCHOOL IN THE NCAA.... but the defense still performed. there is no huge overhaul that needs to take place. the talent is there, and Cutcliffe was brought in because of his different approach and coaching style than Sanders. Sanders wants to run the spread.... Cutcliffe is closer to what Fulmer likes to do. Cutcliffe's attention to detail will get rid of the majority of mistakes on offense that seemed to kill drives. the Vols will be okay next season. expect them to make a championship run. they are definately the most talented team returning in the East next season.
 
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Originally posted by allvol@Dec 15, 2005 9:40 AM
discipline in the program?  you guys act like the team sucked overall this past season.  i seem to remember a defense that finished 12th in the NCAA.  some of the defensive players had off the field problems.... JUST LIKE EVERY SCHOOL IN THE NCAA.... but the defense still performed.  there is no huge overhaul that needs to take place.  the talent is there, and Cutcliffe was brought in because of his different approach and coaching style than Sanders.  Sanders wants to run the spread.... Cutcliffe is closer to what Fulmer likes to do.  Cutcliffe's attention to detail will get rid of the majority of mistakes on offense that seemed to kill drives.  the Vols will be okay next season.  expect them to make a championship run.  they are definately the most talented team returning in the East next season.
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AllVOL:

As usual you are right on the money. I wouldn't be surprised to see UT go 9-2 or 10 -1 and play for the SEC title. A 7-4 or 6-5 season next could cost Fulmer his job.

Gunner
 
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AllVol:

They were by far the most talented team in the SECE this year! Possibly more talent than anyone in the entire league & for sure w more depth than any other.
 
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As with most people I am pumped for next year. I cannot wait to see Erik Ainge with proper coaching and discipline!

K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid)

1.) Run, run, run....cloud of dust (Woody Hayes)

2.) Run, run, run........................

3.) Control either line of scrimmage

4.) Effecient special teams

5.) Run, run, run............................

Result should and will be 9-2 or 10-1 with an appearance in Atlanta!
 
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Originally posted by OrangeEmpire@Dec 15, 2005 11:05 AM
Result should and will be 9-2 or 10-1 with an appearance in Atlanta!
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Please pass the crack pipe this way. :cool:
 
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Originally posted by RealVol@Dec 15, 2005 10:58 AM
AllVol:

They were by far the most talented team in the SECE this year! Possibly more talent than anyone in the entire league & for sure w more depth than any other.
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Yes, but get rid of the minor mistakes and the Vols finish this season with no less than a 9-2 record and a spot in the SECCG. I can name you at least 5 plays that if were different the Vols would be 9-2. I can list you 10 plays and the Vols would have been 11-0. Its the minor details... the fundatmentals that are the difference between winning and losing. Cutcliffe is a stickler for the details. The Vols will have no problems contending for a championship next season. And that is real.
 
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With discipline, effecient special teams and strong play on either side of the line of scrimmage a 9-2 or 10-1 is attainable.

What are your reasons for disagreement?
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Originally posted by OrangeEmpire@Dec 15, 2005 11:12 AM
With discipline, effecient special teams and strong play on either side of the line of scrimmage a 9-2 or 10-1 is attainable.

What are your reasons for disagreement?
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I'm not saying it is impossible, however, if it was so easy to turn things around by cracking the whip why was it not done at mid season this year? Also, look where UGA and UF are in recruiting compared to us. They will get some guys who are ready to play now. Also, it looks like Spurrier got himself a decent QB to work with. The East is going to be tougher next year than it was this year with the exception of Vandy. I hope the Vols are 12-0 going into the SEC CG next year but I am not holding my breath. :matrix:
 
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I'm not saying it is impossible, however, if it was so easy to turn things around by cracking the whip why was it not done at mid season this year? Also, look where UGA and UF are in recruiting compared to us. They will get some guys who are ready to play now. Also, it looks like Spurrier got himself a decent QB to work with. The East is going to be tougher next year than it was this year with the exception of Vandy. I hope the Vols are 12-0 going into the SEC CG next year but I am not holding my breath.
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That is a fair assesment. Deep down I think South Carolina and Auburn will be the class of the SEC.

:focus:
 
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Originally posted by RealVol@Dec 15, 2005 8:37 AM
I'm in doubt he has the ability... I hope I'm wrong. As a UT Fan I do not want to see other fans (again) fall into the same old rut many have been evidently become accustomed to. More specifically  "Tennessee Football" is not accepting a last quarter rally, a last second defensive stop, a last second fg, a favorable ref's call, a favorable clock operators assistance...to assure a Vols victory against lesser talented teams. My friends that is not "Tennessee Football" in my opinion, it's totally unacceptable!
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I don't disagree with any part of your post, but this last paragraph...well, couple of issues...

1. CPF has usually proven that he is a hell of rebound coach...if nothing else. Like him or not, he usually won't stay down for long...now will that translate in to 9 or 10 wins NEXT year? don't know. but no less than 8 should be the expectation for NEXT year. After that it's gravy as far as i'm concerned.
2. the whole not accepting last minute wins thing....would you rather them lose those gams? I hate it when people complain about how a team wins. they WON!!! now that's not to say you can't walk away from a game, like UAB last season, and not wonder..."uh, we can't do that against UF or Bama and win". that's one thing....but to say a win is "not acceptable"? Please. Sometimes, winning those kind of games is better testament to the quality of your team than if they just walk all over the opponent. sometimes a team finding a way to win, tells more about their character and gut than when they win 70-3.

And look, i'm not saying we shouldn't blow out some of these teams, i'm just saying, to say that when they don't, and stilll win, is "unacceptable" is a bit over the edge.

We'll be better next year...but if your expecting an SEC Champ. next season, you might be disappointed. to win the SEC should be the goal next year, as it should be every year, but to "expect" it, well, for next year i think would be a bit unrealistic.

And having said all of that, are capable of winning it? yeah, sure. just like 04, we were expected to finish 3rd in the East and wound up playing for the SECC. same could happen next year...who knows.
 
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Phil had better turn it around, if he don't he can't blame salary cap hits as his reason for not getting it done next year.
 
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in response to allvol... bah bah bah, is that a sheep i hear.

a few plays and Tennessee would be 9 and 2??????

a few plays and Tennessee would be 4 and 7 or possibly even 3 and 8.

the majority of wins for a good team do not boil down to a couple of plays... ie Texas, USC, Penn State
 
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Originally posted by patrick@Dec 15, 2005 1:20 PM
in response to allvol... bah bah bah, is that a sheep i hear.

a few plays and Tennessee would be 9 and 2??????

a few plays and Tennessee would be 4 and 7 or possibly even 3 and 8.

the majority of wins for a good team do not boil down to a couple of plays... ie Texas, USC, Penn State
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Good teams always have to catch a number of breaks during their seasons. The top 5 this year have won a combined 8 games by 1 score or less. Using your logic, the 1998 team wasn't a good team, they won 5 games by 1 score or less.
 
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Originally posted by patrick@Dec 15, 2005 12:20 PM
in response to allvol... bah bah bah, is that a sheep i hear.

a few plays and Tennessee would be 9 and 2??????

a few plays and Tennessee would be 4 and 7 or possibly even 3 and 8.

the majority of wins for a good team do not boil down to a couple of plays... ie Texas, USC, Penn State
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You people need to find girlfriends and quit thinking about sheep.

As bad as we were at times this year, Allvol speaks the truth.

Think about this . . . How many 5-6 football teams have you ever heard of that never got blown out and legitimately had a chance to win all 11 games going into the 4th quarter?
 
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Originally posted by allvol@Dec 15, 2005 11:10 AM
Yes, but get rid of the minor mistakes and the Vols finish this season with no less than a 9-2 record and a spot in the SECCG.  I can name you at least 5 plays that if were different the Vols would be 9-2.  I can list you 10 plays and the Vols would have been 11-0.  Its the minor details... the fundatmentals that are the difference between winning and losing.  Cutcliffe is a stickler for the details.  The Vols will have no problems contending for a championship next season.  And that is real.
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One more touchdown would have given us three more wins. I know one thing that would have helped get those touchdowns is going down the field in the right direction....penalties killed us.
 
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jakez4ut

Of course, I'll take a win over a loss almost any day. Sounds like you might be one of those fans I mentioned that figures our staff played it that precisely. I hate to inform you and may I even suggest you openingly review many of UT's recent narrow victories and note just how LUCKY UT was to win. Be honest...

My point was UT has had way to much talent to rely on last minute defensive stops, a bad call (for us), an overlook by the clock operator & even last second fgs to let that be an acceptable margin of victory against lesser talented teams. Often all that has to be done with our starters struggling all 4 quarters. My friend that to me is not Tennessee Football! I'm not saying that we have to blow out all opponents, rather I would like to see our first team build up a significant lead then interchange our seconds.

Unfortunately, our starters have been so ill-prepared the last several years our seconds never saw the field until the always lurking injury bug hits.

Again, balls to the wall on every play with well prepared teams and talent usually results in victory. NO HALF A--WIMPY PLAYERS & NO HALF A-- PREPRATION BY OUR COACHES.
 
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Originally posted by RealVol@Dec 15, 2005 5:56 PM
jakez4ut

Of course, I'll take a win over a loss almost any day. Sounds like you might be one of those fans I mentioned that figures our staff played it that precisely. I hate to inform you and may I even suggest you openingly review many of UT's recent narrow victories and note just how LUCKY UT was to win. Be honest...

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you'll take a win ALMOST ANY DAY, huh? well that's great. Good for you.

BUT I WILL TAKE A WIN EVERY DAY, REGARDLESS OF HOW IT COMES TO BE. if that makes me an apologist or whatever, then so be it...

And as far as what kind of fan i am, well, let's just say i'm not a fan that complains about HOW a team wins or what the score was. I may make observations about the game, and point out things in that game that can't continue if we are going to compete and win against the better teams on our schedule...but i would always rather be on the W side of an ugly game.

And no, i don't think our staff played it precisely, at least from a personnel standpoint. I do think the play calling was good, most times, and the game planning was fair most times. They made thier mistakes in the off season.

And i don't need to review anything. I've been watching UT football for the better part of 25 years.

And lastly, luck. yep, every team has it good and bad. and just about every team needs it, at least once or twice a season. If you think that every team that has won a championship has always just dominated every team they played, well your mistaken. Luck is a huge role in CFB.

Neb/Missou in 97
Miami/BC in 02
TN/ARK in 98
TX/A&M in 05
USC/ND in 05

I'm sure there are others, but those stick out to me...any of those fans want to go back and give up those games cause they were lucky? Any of those fans want to go back and give up the W because they didn't win by enough?

Didn't think so. It's all style points, period.

Herm Edwards said it best:
YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME. :rock:
 
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Originally posted by patrick@Dec 15, 2005 12:20 PM
in response to allvol... bah bah bah, is that a sheep i hear.

a few plays and Tennessee would be 9 and 2??????

a few plays and Tennessee would be 4 and 7 or possibly even 3 and 8.

the majority of wins for a good team do not boil down to a couple of plays... ie Texas, USC, Penn State
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don't make me put you in a timeout in the corner :aggressive:
 
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