Capitalism and Socialism

#26
#26
the environmental movement is by and large populated by nothing but marxists and socialists who are hell bent on destroying the US economy, regardless of the cost.

case in point, the state of California cutting off the water supply to one of the richest and most fertile farming areas in the country. All for some stupid little fish.

once again, I despise these people and their methods.
 
#27
#27
Civil Service Retirement Systems (not socialism)
Federal Employee Retirement Systems (not socialism)
Railroad Retirement System (whaa?)
Public Housing (mismanaged)
Rental Vouchers & Certificates (mismanaged)
Section 8 Housing Vouchers (mismanaged)
Shelter Plus Care (mismanaged)
Single Room Occupancy (mismanaged)
Low Income Home Energy Assistance (good idea, but poorly implemented)
Social Security (OASDI) (basically welfare for the rich. makes sense)
Unemployment Insurance (good idea, but not socialism per sea)
Temporary Disability Insurance (same as UI)
Medicare (should be merged into medicaid)
Medicaid (horrible abuses)
Medicare Prescription Drug Plan (complete waste of money)
Supplemental Security Income
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (horrible waste)
Food Stamp Program (horrible waste)
Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) (poorly implimented)
National School Lunch Program (poorly implimented)
School Breakfast Program (poorly implimented)
United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) (not socialism)
Federal Communications Commission (FCC) (not socialism)
Food and Drug Administration (FDA) (not socialism)
United States Postal Service (not socialism)
 
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#28
There really does need to be some sense put into the definitions used before weighting the argument. Semantics can be a real bitch. By some of the descriptions I've heard the military, police, fire departments, public schools and building/maintaining roads and bridges would be examples of socialism.
 
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hndog609 said:
There really does need to be some sense put into the definitions used before weighting the argument. Semantics can be a real bitch. By some of the descriptions I've heard the military, police, fire departments, public schools and building/maintaining roads and bridges would be examples of socialism.
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Better yet, things the government should actually be doing.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Socialism isn't any of the garbage you listed. Socialism is about the government owning lens of production in a country and dictating distribution of of capital and the output. We are, as a nation, bent on avoiding it.

All of your propaganda aside, Socialism has proven a very poor solution for the human spirit. FDR ushered in our current socialistic programs. Wonder how we survived until then?Posted via VolNation Mobile
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We were surviving under the leadership of the GOP. Herbert Hoover who had served as the US Secretary of Commerce in the 1920's under Republican Presidents Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge was elected president in 1928. By the end of 1932, the unemployment rate was 24.9% and over 5000 banks failed. These great GOP leaders led us into a period of time so great, it was named the Great Depression.

That's the same place we were heading in November 2008 after 8 years of "Bush 42" and 6 of the last 8 years with the Republicans in control of Congress.
 
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Vols378 said:
We were surviving under the leadership of the GOP. Herbert Hoover who had served as the US Secretary of Commerce in the 1920's under Republican Presidents Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge was elected president in 1928. By the end of 1932, the unemployment rate was 24.9% and over 5000 banks failed. These great GOP leaders led us into a period of time so great, it was named the Great Depression.

That's the same place we were heading in November 2008 after 8 years of "Bush 42" and 6 of the last 8 years with the Republicans in control of Congress.
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you need a serious history lesson. let me guess. you aren't old enough to drink right?
 
#34
#34
Woodrow Wilson will always be the dead last when it comes to presidents!

The man was pure dookie bomb!
 
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Vols378 said:
We were surviving under the leadership of the GOP. Herbert Hoover who had served as the US Secretary of Commerce in the 1920's under Republican Presidents Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge was elected president in 1928. By the end of 1932, the unemployment rate was 24.9% and over 5000 banks failed. These great GOP leaders led us into a period of time so great, it was named the Great Depression.

That's the same place we were heading in November 2008 after 8 years of "Bush 42" and 6 of the last 8 years with the Republicans in control of Congress.
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what did the Republicans believe in during the Hoover, Harding and Coolidge administrations?

Hell, what were the Republicans founding ideals? How are those reflected in the modern Republican party, if at all?
 
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Vols378 said:
We were surviving under the leadership of the GOP. Herbert Hoover who had served as the US Secretary of Commerce in the 1920's under Republican Presidents Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge was elected president in 1928. By the end of 1932, the unemployment rate was 24.9% and over 5000 banks failed. These great GOP leaders led us into a period of time so great, it was named the Great Depression.

That's the same place we were heading in November 2008 after 8 years of "Bush 42" and 6 of the last 8 years with the Republicans in control of Congress.
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Hate to break to you there, chief, but the Republicans had control 12 of the last 14 years (of the 08 elections). The problem was they started sucking on the teet of big government crap the democrats have been feeding on for almost a century (including W). So, that was the part that jumped out to me as being incorrect.
 
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OrangeYankee said:
Hate to break to you there, chief, but the Republicans had control 12 of the last 14 years (of the 08 elections). The problem was they started sucking on the teet of big government crap the democrats have been feeding on for almost a century (including W). So, that was the part that jumped out to me as being incorrect.
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No breaking news, Yank. So, you actually see nothing in my post that is incorrect. The eight years Bush 42 was in office the Republicans had control of congress six of those years.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
what did the Republicans believe in during the Hoover, Harding and Coolidge administrations?

Hell, what were the Republicans founding ideals? How are those reflected in the modern Republican party, if at all?
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You trying to change the subject BPV?

In your original post you were implying that the USA was doing fine before the FDR administration with your statement " FDR ushered in our current socialistic programs. Wonder how we survived until then?"

I provided some facts about how we were surviving just before FDR was elected. We weren't in very good shape.

Now you are wanting to change the subject to the history of the Republican Party.
 
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Vols378 said:
You trying to change the subject BPV?

In your original post you were implying that the USA was doing fine before the FDR administration with your statement " FDR ushered in our current socialistic programs. Wonder how we survived until then?"

I provided some facts about how we were surviving just before FDR was elected. We weren't in very good shape.

Now you are wanting to change the subject to the history of the Republican Party.
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You are only telling half the story here. There have been many studies done that have shown that FDR's actions most likely caused the depression to last seven years longer than it would have otherwise.
 
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KB5252 said:
You are only telling half the story here. There have been many studies done that have shown that FDR's actions most likely caused the depression to last seven years longer than it would have otherwise.
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I'm not stating studies. All that is is someone or some groups opinion. You can find studies to show about anything you want them to.

I was stating facts about the condition of the country just before FDR was elected.
 
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Vols378 said:
I'm not stating studies. All that is is someone or some groups opinion. You can find studies to show about anything you want them to.

I was stating facts about the condition of the country just before FDR was elected.
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But left out the fact that the depression lasted while FDR was in office and actually worsened under his leadership. How is this not relevant?
 
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Vols378 said:
No breaking news, Yank. So, you actually see nothing in my post that is incorrect. The eight years Bush 42 was in office the Republicans had control of congress six of those years.
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What's wrong in you post is the causal attribution. :hi:


Here's another example: During Bush's term, Jimmie Johnson won 3 consecutive Sprint Cup Championships. Therefore, Jimmie Johnson is responsible for the economic situation.
 
#46
#46
A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered her altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to him, "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am."

The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, "You're in a hot air balloon, approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346 feet above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude.

She rolled her eyes and said, "You must be a Republican."

"I am," replied the man. "How did you know?"

"Well," answered the balloonist, "everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to do with your information, and I'm still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help to me."

The man smiled and responded, "You must be a Democrat."

"I am," replied the balloonist. "How did you know?"

"Well," said the man, "you don't know where you are or where you're going. You've risen to where you are, due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. You're in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but, somehow, now it's my fault."
 
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KB5252 said:
But left out the fact that the depression lasted while FDR was in office and actually worsened under his leadership. How is this not relevant?
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I didn't leave anything out. BPV asked how we survived before FDR. I simply stated the facts of how we were surviving before FDR.
 
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Vols378 said:
I didn't leave anything out. BPV asked how we survived before FDR. I simply stated the facts of how we were surviving before FDR.
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Maybe, but you implied that republicans did nothing to stop the depression, I would argue they did the right thing by allowing the markets to correct themselves. FDR's plan did little if anything to help, it has been shown by many economists, with no axe to grind mind you, that his policies probably led to the worsening of the depression at worst and a delay in the recovery at best. To this very day we still experience the negative results of his social policies in America.
 
#50
#50
What 378 is saying is that the Dems can't wait for WWIII to pull us out of this economic slump!
 
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