Carry Permit Holders

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Yankee_Vol said:
No
No
No, but have before.

But I've been places and seen things that most haven't. I may be a little jaded. I see the world for what it is.
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That's interesting because I'm a lot jaded and also feel like I see the world for what it is. I just don't feel the need for all of that for whatever reason. Just think it's interesting.
 
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hog88 said:
No that is carelessness. Dad didn't have his weapon secure and had not taught his kids properly. That is being careless with his guns.

There are almost no accidents, maybe you have a house fire and a round cooks off and hits someone but you get the point.

The root cause of what most would call an "accident" is carelessness, plain and simple.
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It doesn't matter what it's called. A child is dead because of a gun in the house. A gun that was probably there to "protect" the family. I use this scenario because I live 2 houses down from a family that this happened to.
 
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I'm exercising my constitutional right. And like someone else mentioned, I hope I don't have to use it. I won't think twice about it if I do though
 
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Cecil Basil said:
Not necessarily. There are thousands of scenarios for and against. It's understandable for people to get defensive and start going to well about guns don't kill people etc etc.. I was curious about the psychology of it. I personally don't feel the need to have more than strong doors, good locks and a dogwood walking stick in the corner to defend myself if need be. I just think it's interesting how some people feel the need to have an arsenal, dogs, alarms, moats, and claymores in the yard.
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I have dogs because I love dogs, if a would be intruder told them to get their ball he would be their friend. Don't have an alarm, but do have good locks and safe.

I have several, wife would say way way too many guns because I like to shoot, it's a hobby. I only keep a couple out for home defense or carry purposes.
 
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Cecil Basil said:
It doesn't matter what it's called. A child is dead because of a gun in the house. A gun that was probably there to "protect" the family. I use this scenario because I live 2 houses down from a family that this happened to.
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That's a failure on the parents part. They should have secured the weapon properly.

I never have a weapon where my daughter could gain access
 
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Cecil Basil said:
Have you ever been attacked before? Or has someone in your family been attacked? Do you live in a rough neighborhood?
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My neighborhood is far from rough, but I'm within 6-10 miles of Knoxville's worst...as are a large number or 'nice' neighborhoods.

Even in the nicest areas running into Walgreens for toothpaste and contact solution can be a dicey proposition depending on how the pill addicts are feeling.
 
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Cecil Basil said:
It doesn't matter what it's called. A child is dead because of a gun in the house. A gun that was probably there to "protect" the family. I use this scenario because I live 2 houses down from a family that this happened to.
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When I was a kid two brothers down the road from us died playing on their dads tractor. Knocked it out of gear and rolled down the hill and turned over on them.

It was not an accident, it was carelessness. Wheels should have been chocked. Point being a kid can be killed in any number of ways. Guns just make the headlines.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
I'm exercising my constitutional right.
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That's a different topic for a different day I guess. I'm kind of from the camp of it IS your constitutional right to own / carry a musket, because let's be real, that's what they were referring to at the time. One has to wonder if Franklin, Adams, Jefferson or any those guys had AK's or RPG's, would it still have been worded the same? Maybe. Who knows?
 
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Cecil Basil said:
That's a different topic for a different day I guess. I'm kind of from the camp of it IS your constitutional right to own / carry a musket, because let's be real, that's what they were referring to at the time. One has to wonder if Franklin, Adams, Jefferson or any those guys had AK's or RPG's, would it still have been worded the same? Maybe. Who knows?
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It would have been because it wasn't put in there for protection against thieves or hunting.
 
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Cecil Basil said:
That's a different topic for a different day I guess. I'm kind of from the camp of it IS your constitutional right to own / carry a musket, because let's be real, that's what they were referring to at the time. One has to wonder if Franklin, Adams, Jefferson or any those guys had AK's or RPG's, would it still have been worded the same? Maybe. Who knows?
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A RPG is not a gun.

And it's not a different topic at all, it all ties together.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
That's a failure on the parents part. They should have secured the weapon properly.

I never have a weapon where my daughter could gain access
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You'll get no argument from me there. Of course the parents failed. Hard to say that wasn't accidental, though.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
A RPG is not a gun.

And it's not a different topic at all, it all ties together.
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You're very defensive. I'm aware an RPG is not a gun. I meant it's a different topic from the question I originally asked. I was interested in the psychology of it all, not the constitutional right to own a gun.
 
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Cecil Basil said:
That's a different topic for a different day I guess. I'm kind of from the camp of it IS your constitutional right to own / carry a musket, because let's be real, that's what they were referring to at the time. One has to wonder if Franklin, Adams, Jefferson or any those guys had AK's or RPG's, would it still have been worded the same? Maybe. Who knows?
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I think they would have worded it more clearly that citizens and militias have the right to own any weapon that the US military has. You have to remember what the 2nd amendment is for. Its not for personal protection or hunting, its about the people securing a free state from a tyrannical government.
 
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Cecil Basil said:
You're very defensive. I'm aware an RPG is not a gun. I meant it's a different topic from the question I originally asked. I was interested in the psychology of it all, not the constitutional right to own a gun.
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Defensive? It's called having an opposing view and conversating. Play with fire you're gonna get burned.

Part of my "psychology" for carrying is my constitutional right.
 
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Hopvol said:
I think they would have worded it more clearly that citizens and militias have the right to own any weapon that the US military has. You have to remember what the 2nd amendment is for. Its not for personal protection or hunting, its about the people securing a free state from a tyrannical government.
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You could be right, but I'm not sure I would have wanted to live in the neighborhood where everyone had a cannon.
 
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Cecil Basil said:
You're very defensive. I'm aware an RPG is not a gun. I meant it's a different topic from the question I originally asked. I was interested in the psychology of it all, not the constitutional right to own a gun.
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As far as the psychology of it. You think its strange that we want to carry but we think it is equally strange that you do not. Statistics show that citizens carrying deters crime.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
Defensive? It's called having an opposing
View and conversating. Play with fire you're gonna get burned.

Baaaaah
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I don't have a problem with your opposing view, just trying to understand it. As for playing with fire, do you carry a fire extinguisher with you everywhere you go as well?
 
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Hopvol said:
As far as the psychology of it. You think its strange that we want to carry but we think it is equally strange that you do not. Statistics show that citizens carrying deters crime.
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I wouldn't say that I think it's "strange," Just unnecessary in most circumstances.
 
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