Carter: Bush's Impact 'Worst in History'

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Jimmy Carter calling someone a bad president is akin to Wade Houston questioning someone's ability as a basketball coach.
 
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I never have understood where Carter got the moral authority to sit back and pontificate, much less break the unwritten rule of Presidents not commenting on subsequent Presidents.
 
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GAVol said:
I never have understood where Carter got the moral authority to sit back and pontificate, much less break the unwritten rule of Presidents not commenting on subsequent Presidents.
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Don't you realize? The left leaning twits at the Nobel Foundation made President Peanut a Peace Prize winner. That means we all have to listen and accept everything that semisocialist piece of garbage has to say.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I don't remember an embassy full of Americans being held hostage by a pi$$ant third world country under GWB.
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What about a nation full of Americans, many being held hostage by the indifference of a president to the wishes of a majority? As I recall, no Americans died in the Iran hostage situation, nor was any enduring damage done to our country's power & capacity to lead among nations, by the way it was handled.

If Carter's legacy is presumably so defined by this incident, I am confident that 30 years down the road, GWB's legacy - almost certainly to be defined by the Iraq mistake - will be a brutalized one indeed.
 
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All Vol! said:
What about a nation full of Americans, many being held hostage by the indifference of a president to the wishes of a majority? As I recall, no Americans died in the Iran hostage situation, nor was any enduring damage done to our country's power & capacity to lead among nations.

If Carter's legacy is presumably so defined by this incident, I am confident that 30 years down the road, GWB's legacy - almost certainly to be defined by the Iraq mistake - will be a brutalized one indeed.
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As well it should. However, I am less critical of a strategic mistake than I am one born out of pacifistic cowardice.
 
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All Vol! said:
As I recall, no Americans died in the Iran hostage situation, nor was any enduring damage done to our country's power & capacity to lead among nations, by the way it was handled.
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1. Obviously you are forgetting the soldiers who died attempting to execute the idiotic rescue plan put together by Carter's moronic Department of Defense.
2. Carter's cowardice in dealing with Iran, coupled with Reagan's awful decision to leave Lebanon with our tails between our legs, is exactly what emboldened the Islamofascists to the point where they believed they could actually take action against America without suffering serious consequences.
 
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GAVol said:
I never have understood where Carter got the moral authority to sit back and pontificate, much less break the unwritten rule of Presidents not commenting on subsequent Presidents.
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What you're calling "moral authority" is indistinguishable from what I call "free speech." Yes, former presidents have it too. And when a standing president's administration has been the unmitigated disaster this one's has, I think the unwritten rules of the chummy President's Club inevitably change.
 
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All Vol! said:
What you're calling "moral authority" is indistinguishable from what I call "free speech." Yes, former presidents have it too. And when a standing president's administration has been the unmitigated disaster this one's has, I think the unwritten rules of the chummy President's Club inevitably change.
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Carter should be happy that Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford were more respectful than he. Otherwise, they could have used that cluless hick as a pinata for the entirety of the four dreadful years of his administration.
 
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All Vol! said:
What you're calling "moral authority" is indistinguishable from what I call "free speech." Yes, former presidents have it too.
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Of course they do . . . Yet for the most part, former Presidents have had the good sense to keep their opinions to themselves.
 
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hatvol96 said:
As well it should. However, I am less critical of a strategic mistake than I am one born out of pacifistic cowardice.
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Calling the Iraq war a strategic mistake is akin to calling Wade Houston's hiring a miscalculation.
 
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hatvol96 said:
If it's not a strategic mistake, what pray tell is it?
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It's not that it has not been an ongoing strategic mistake; I was merely suggesting that such language is tantamount to a reluctance on your part - as a staunch conservative - to concede what it was: at best a putrid decision, made in utter haste and stuck to shamefully for the sake of saving historical face; at worst, the fulfillment of a plan that was in place before 9/11 and carried out with full knowledge that pre-invasion intelligence was either faulty or fabricated. Either way, it has been a maneuver that has cost so much human life on both sides, and for absolutely no gain to any. When a conflict that most agree is a mistake has cost this much life, you sure as hell need to call it something more than a strategic mistake.
 
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All Vol! said:
It's not that it has not been an ongoing strategic mistake, I was merely suggesting that such language is tantamount to a reluctance on your part - as a staunch conservative - to concede what it was: at best a putrid decision, made in utter haste and stuck to shamefully for the sake of saving historical face; at worst, the fulfillment of a plan that was in place before 9/11 and carried out with full knowledge that pre-invasion intelligence was either faulty or fabricated. Either way, it has been a maneuver that has cost so much human life on both sides, and for absolutely no gain to any.
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Wow, I must be doing a good job. OrangeUTopia is calling me a flaming liberal in the Jerry Falwell thread and you're claiming I'm a staunch conservative in this one. The sad thing is, neither of you are close to being correct.
 
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All Vol! said:
What about a nation full of Americans, many being held hostage by the indifference of a president to the wishes of a majority? As I recall, no Americans died in the Iran hostage situation, nor was any enduring damage done to our country's power & capacity to lead among nations, by the way it was handled.

If Carter's legacy is presumably so defined by this incident, I am confident that 30 years down the road, GWB's legacy - almost certainly to be defined by the Iraq mistake - will be a brutalized one indeed.
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You recall incorrectly, Americans died trying to rescue the Hostages. A small mission known as Desert One, was the precursory to today's Operational Detachment Delta.

Special Operations.Com
 
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vol_in_ar said:
You recall incorrectly, Americans died trying to rescue the Hostages. A small mission known as Desert One, was the precursory to today's Operational Detachment Delta.

Special Operations.Com
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as has been pointed out. The prevailing point is that it is at least silly for one to suggest that Carter's handling of the Iran hostage crisis somehow warrants harsher comment than GWB's war.
 
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All Vol! said:
as has been pointed out. The prevailing point is that it is at least silly for one to suggest that Carter's handling of the Iran hostage crisis somehow warrants harsher comment than GWB's war.
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It's only silly if one considers errors of omission born out of cowardice to be equivalent to mistakes of commission born out of an awful read on the reaction of the Iraqi people to being "liberated" from fascism.
 
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I honestly don't care about what happened in Carter's Presidency. The bottom line is that it damages us when we've got a former President criticizing the outgoing British PM for being too close an ally.
 
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GAVol said:
I honestly don't care about what happened in Carter's Presidency. The bottom line is that it damages us when we've got a former President criticizing the outgoing British PM for being too close an ally.
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Carter doesn't care about that. He's too busy making sure he stays in good standing with George Soros and the rest of the "One World Government" crowd.
 
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I think it was inappropiate for Carter to comment, but it's not going to change our policy in Iraq.

Iraq, will still be there for the next President..
 
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