Catholic universities required to provide birth control? (merged)

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milohimself said:
Churches are exempt from this, it's in the aca. Theres another thread I posted it in.

The debacle is over universities, hospitals and that sort.
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I don't know enough about it right yet. My only question is why churches or any voluntary organization then would have a mandate about something like your health insurance based on moral grounds. I mean, if you are in you are in and accept their dogma. But if you don't necessarily agree that their position on these issues means that you are barred from, say, using a condom, should you be out of the church?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Why wouldn't it be up to the individual to use it or not? Maybe I'm missing it but is the dispute whether the church can force its members, as a condition of membership, to forego certain coverages?

If so, that just seems pretty weak. I mean, if you have to enforce your dogma by fiat, why do you want them in there to begin with?
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it's not membership it's employment. Want a different coverage go work somewhere else or choose a different school. The gov't should stay out
 
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milohimself said:
Churches are exempt from this, it's in the aca. Theres another thread I posted it in.

The debacle is over universities, hospitals and that sort.
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Which is why the President of Notre Dame is quoted a lot I guess.
 
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nbakerld said:
If you are concerned with force, then you have this all kinds of backwards. The church is not forcing their members to obey, it is just failing to provide certain benefits (AKA compensation) to church employees. They don't like it? Work elsewhere. The government is attempting to force the church to provide said benefits.
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You mean force them to provide legally required benefits?
 
#30
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lawgator1 said:
I don't know enough about it right yet. My only question is why churches or any voluntary organization then would have a mandate about something like your health insurance based on moral grounds. I mean, if you are in you are in and accept their dogma. But if you don't necessarily agree that their position on these issues means that you are barred from, say, using a condom, should you be out of the church?
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The issue is regarding the health insurance they provide their employees. I'm assuming this wouldn't apply to the clergy but more like the full time workers in some of the Catholic charities, facilities etc. Also, like Milo said, the universities, hospitals etc.

From what I'm hearing from my Catholic friends is this could really affect their voting decision in November. Many of them are Democrats, lots are minorities, especially Hispanics etc. So, it seems as though the administration is taking on a chunk of their base and I'm not sure if they are doing it intentionally or not.
 
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YorkVol said:
Which is why the President of Notre Dame is quoted a lot I guess.
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Probably.

Not saying I dont have a problem with it, but the language in the aca is something like "religious nonprofit" something or other, I.e. all churches.

I dont think I have a problem with the inclusion of universities, since they are profit generating and religious indoctrination is not their primary focus.

There are already a few states that require partial coverage for contraception in their employee health plans that use almost the exact same language as the aca.
 
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milohimself said:
Churches are exempt from this, it's in the aca. Theres another thread I posted it in.

The debacle is over universities, hospitals and that sort.
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I would assume a large cathedral in a major city would have a fairly large non-clergy staff, would they be affected?
 
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nbakerld said:
Oh. It's cool. The force is legally authorized (and somehow simultaneously unconstitutional). Nothing to see here.
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Irony since both the federal and state governments, often controlled by Republicans, frequently have mandated benefits laws when it comes to insurance.

Your own policy at wherever you work probably has to comply with some mandated benefits laws peculiar to where you work. And odds are very high that a Republican legislator at least voted for it, if not sponsored it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Irony since both the federal and state governments, often controlled by Republicans, frequently have mandated benefits laws when it comes to insurance.

Your own policy at wherever you work probably has to comply with some mandated benefits laws peculiar to where you work. And odds are very high that a Republican legislator at least voted for it, if not sponsored it.
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How many times do I have to tell you that I'm not a republican, and I hate big government. You are preaching to the choir. Government got into health care during the depression and it's made it a disaster ever since.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
I thought being Catholic was a choice. I'm guessing most are on board with the rules when they decided to become Catholic. This is not a smart move on BHO's part as, I think, the number of people affected is very small compared to the mud that will be thrown his way.
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for many young people, its not.
 
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nbakerld said:
LOL. It's not worth it. I tried to watch chick flicks to keep my GF happy and it didn't end pretty.
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it was more of a 'its important to you so i'll sit through it and nod' thing. I didn't attend weekly, it was just the big one (easter)...but it's so ridiculous.
 
#50
#50
Surely there's going to be some sort of compromise here. This is politically one of the dumbest moves imaginable.
 
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